Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

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beale, et al:

The history and genetic makeup of the Mulungeon people is available on
the web. Vamelungeon is well qualified to answer for his ancestry. Others
attempting to use this minority to hype their own agenda should be ashamed.
Inform yourselves before treading on another's physical makeup.

lastleg
 

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beale said:
SWR said:
beale said:
Exactly how can you say the Melungeons were not Portuguese but are Phonecian. Has not DNA test confirmed Portuguese and even if you believe Phonecian, their rule of Portugal for over 800 years has the bloods intermixed by marriage. So exactly where is your arguement with SS.

Sorry I guess you are saying the Melungeons are not Portuguese or Phonecian exactly what are you saying.

Albert...is all of this relevant to the Knights of the Golden Circle, and the alleged claims of tons and tons of gold and silver being cached throughout the US and Canada?
I only asked a question, SWR. Some of us don't know everything as you do?

we're arguing with a stick. :laughing7:
 

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:icon_thumleft: Keeping it, to "The Vault"... ??? ??? :dontknow:
 

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SWR said:
Kentucky Kache said:
beale said:
SWR said:
beale said:
Exactly how can you say the Melungeons were not Portuguese but are Phonecian. Has not DNA test confirmed Portuguese and even if you believe Phonecian, their rule of Portugal for over 800 years has the bloods intermixed by marriage. So exactly where is your arguement with SS.

Sorry I guess you are saying the Melungeons are not Portuguese or Phonecian exactly what are you saying.

Albert...is all of this relevant to the Knights of the Golden Circle, and the alleged claims of tons and tons of gold and silver being cached throughout the US and Canada?
I only asked a question, SWR. Some of us don't know everything as you do?

we're arguing with a stick. :laughing7:

Correction. YOU are arguing. Albert and I are trying to have an adult conversation, in regards to the Knights of the Golden Circle and if there is a connection with the mentioned.

Try to keep up with the conversation

Okay stick. You just might want to take a good look at yourself before accusing others of wanting to argue. Everyone sees you for what you are.
 

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SWR said:
Kentucky Kache said:
SWR said:
Kentucky Kache said:
beale said:
SWR said:
beale said:
Exactly how can you say the Melungeons were not Portuguese but are Phonecian. Has not DNA test confirmed Portuguese and even if you believe Phonecian, their rule of Portugal for over 800 years has the bloods intermixed by marriage. So exactly where is your arguement with SS.

Sorry I guess you are saying the Melungeons are not Portuguese or Phonecian exactly what are you saying.

Albert...is all of this relevant to the Knights of the Golden Circle, and the alleged claims of tons and tons of gold and silver being cached throughout the US and Canada?
I only asked a question, SWR. Some of us don't know everything as you do?

we're arguing with a stick. :laughing7:

Correction. YOU are arguing. Albert and I are trying to have an adult conversation, in regards to the Knights of the Golden Circle and if there is a connection with the mentioned.

Try to keep up with the conversation

Okay stick. You just might want to take a good look at yourself before accusing others of wanting to argue. Everyone sees you for what you are.

A simple news flash...and you don't even have to watch Fox News...Everyone sees you for what you are, too.

It is not a pretty sight...either :'(

But you don't like to argue, right? :laughing7:

Fox news? You seriously need to seek help. Either keep up with what's going on, or keep your mouth shut, as people are getting tired of you trying to take over everyone's threads. STOP IT!
 

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Apparently, the KGC did an excellent job of "hiding" after the War from you, SWR, and from other "mainstream" authors and "historians" who have never been out in the field to discover the way the KGC, under various other names, told their story. They told their story in various coded ways: intricate tree and rock carvings, tree grafting, map overlays, mis-shapen trees and man-altered rock formations. They told their story in ways so that only their own, and others who are smart and persistent enough to work hard to decipher them, knew the meanings of them.
~Texas Jay
 

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Perhaps the reasons I know what I know about "mainstream" or traditionalist authors is because I actually read and study their books. You should try it sometime, SWR.
~Texas Jay
 

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vamelungeon said:
swiftsearcher said:
beale said:
swiftsearcher said:
beale said:
Rebel - KGC said:
:coffee2: :icon_thumleft: ;D Keeping it to "The Vault"... adding the "Beale Story"; Thomas J. Beale
DID say something about "A NEW ENTERPRISE", in the "Job Print" (aka THE BEALE PAPERS...
"google" it). :wink: I think Capt. Beale/Beall & Co. traveled the "Natchez Trace"; they DID go to Santa Fe... :wink: ;D :coffee2: :icon_thumleft: :read2:



Is the Natchez Trace along or near the Arkansas River? Beale and his men did help build the first US Fort on the Arkansas and did go up the Arkansas to near Pueblo, Colorado where they were met again by the Spanish and taken to Sante Fe. They returned home down the Platte and Missouri Rivers to St. Louis. This was before the entire party's first trip in 1818, either in 1812 or 1814---most likely 1814 because they were near Denver, Colorado in the Spring of 1815.

Thanks SS, I do a lot of research. I have so much I can not sort all of the information out. All the treasures I research on cross reference information over into the others at some point. So there is a lot said when Rebel says, the Beale Treasure, CSA Treasury and Swift Silver Mines all are intermixed with the KGC and the Knight's Templar.

Beale, you sound like myself in the organization part of things. I have research on many treasures other than Swift. In fact, Ralph is coming down in a couple weeks simply to help me organize my maps! Again, I believe you are correct - there are MANY "crossovers" between these treasure legends - which is pointing to a "vault" of somekind in more than one area! Beale, from my research, it seems these vaults were here before Swift and Beale. I believe there is some "connection" here with the Templars and their knowledge and exploits in this country. Then, we can go even further back in time, as to this "knowledge" that the Templars had, which probably relates to these sites in and around Solomon's time. It seems this "knowledge" has been passed down through certain "initiates" over the course of hundreds of years - then we get to the KGC (and even "watchers" today).

Rebel - funny you mention Beale's "Enterprise", as Swift refers to this word quite a bit regarding his affairs at sea and with the "Scots"! :o This "Enterprise" might be one and the same! :wink: I believe it is not only hiding precious metals, but Religious artifacts and "knowledge" inside these vaults! :thumbsup:

As with SWR's latest post, as R. Lee Ermey would say, "I smell Bullsh*t!". ;D

SS Hold on to your King Solomon connection. I believe that is your best lead. There are ancient cities being found in Kentucky with temples and writing on pillars, stones with steps and tombs. Myself I believe that is the Mulungeon connection, they were left behind working King Solomon Mines when ties and connections to this part of the world was severed. Have you seen any remnants of a city nearby, if not look more closely and spread out your search for a couple miles in every direction. There was an ancient city near Lexington, Kentucky that covered a few square miles--------not built by Indians.

Beale, We seem to have a lot in common in our beliefs. In regards to the Melungeons being left behind from the Solomon mining - my research has also pointed to this and, it was what I was attacked for by vamelungeon as well. I believe the Phoenicians tie into this Solomon's Mine/Melungeon connection. VAmelungeon stated that Melungeons were Purtuguese and NOT Phoenician. However, they ARE Portuguese, Spanish and many other races as well, and what I pointed out to vamelungeon was the HISTORICAL FACT that the Phoenicians RULED Portugal for nearly 800 years - there HAS to be some Phoenician "connection" with the Portuguese, as you know there was a mixing of the races, as well as cultures during an 800 year rule!

People can state "conspiracy, blah-blah" all they want, but things DO ADD UP that aren't "normal". Also, an interesting fact that I have noticed is that while I was under the strict impression of Swift ONLY here to mine, nothing. Now, in addition to several weird happenings in the field and home, I was contacted by a multi-national mining corporation last Saturday from their Canadian office. It was a rather weird call, in that the person asked if this was my phone and hung up. I tried calling back, but I didn't have the party's extension, so I was sent to a voice recording to enter in various numbers for different departments, etc. Thank THE EVER LIVING GOD for caller ID (plus, I have my phone arranged where if someone blocks their number, they cannot get through), as I was able to identify the company and have their number. Their website is below. I cannot figure out why they contacted me (or how they acquired my number) in the first place? I also cannot figure out why they (sounded like a secretary on the line) simply asked if this was MY number and hung up?

http://minex.izfas.com.tr/indexx.php?f=4e6d29fe900a4c136ab97a86aa8f3f84&l=2

Beale, one last thing. You are "right on the money" with your Solomon connection to this! That is where my site is pointing, especially in the field, where many carved rocks are simply too ancient to be from Swift's time or even Templar time. It is only a theory of mine, as I don't have enough evidence to substantiate it 110% YET, but I believe these "vaults" were established during Solomon's mining, known by the Melungeons who helped mine and probably even stayed here to guard these sites, then passed down through ancient records/traditions to a select few. The Templars probably came across this information while excavatting the Temple Mount and passed the information down to the Scottish Rite then on to select Freemasons and KGC and even modern initiates. One "funny" thing I noticed when I researched vamelungeon that I was not aware of is how MANY Melungeons of present are tied to the Masons and other "secret" organizations. They seem to be far from the "mountain dwellers" we are led to believe! Plus, many seemed to know where to acquire ore for counterfeiting - this is a proven fact through court records of the 1800's and anyone researching Swift's Mines has probably come across this fact.
For the record, I do not think Melungeons are Portuguese. I said they aren't Phonecian.


REALLY???? According to you post below and the website you give as a link to study "all about Melungeons", there is an entire section on "The Portuguese Connection".! Here you go again, changing your statements to suit your present post/situation. ::) Is this b/c I pointed out there HAD to be a Phoenician "connection" by the nearly 800 year rule of the Phoenicians over Portugal? :dontknow: ???

Re: The Legend of John Swift's Lost Silver Mine - (geographical approach)
Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Oct 22, 2009, 11:56:07 AM Quote
http://www.jgoins.com/core_melungeon.htm
Jack Goins' Melungeon DNA project

http://www.jgoins.com/core_melungeon.htm
Results. No Phonecians. Have at it!

Dr. Kennedy's theories have pretty much been debunked. I like Brent but he made some astounding assertions without any real evidence. Here's a website all about melungeons
http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/front.html

I am asking you, as politely as I can, to stop posting nonsense about Masons and melungeons. I don't think that is too much to ask.
 

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lastleg said:
beale, et al:

The history and genetic makeup of the Mulungeon people is available on
the web. Vamelungeon is well qualified to answer for his ancestry. Others
attempting to use this minority to hype their own agenda should be ashamed.
Inform yourselves before treading on another's physical makeup.

lastleg

This statement reminds me of NBC and the media in general. I simply stated at first about a Phoenician connection to this and was relating how this went back to the time of Solomon through this Phoenician connection down through present day Melungeons. Vamelungeon was the one who made a big deal out of this - nobody else! IF anyone should be ashamed it is anyone who is twisting the FACTS to attack, as you are doing. I was NEVER treading on anyone's "physical makeup". This statement is very ludicrous to say the least! This reminds me of how the media stated white people were racist if they were not voting for Obama during last year's election, while over 90% of blacks voted FOR him mainly b/c of his color and NEVER were they questioned as racist b/c of this! It seems that, as with the media, when they are fighting a losing argument, they always throw in the "race card"! This seems to be a last resort with liberals in their losing arguments.

BTW - one of my MAIN ARGUMENTS to support my case of Phoenician ancestry to Vamelungeon was that there are no PURE races left - that IF Melungeons were Portuguese, as Vamelungeon pointed out with a website link, there had to be a Phoenician connection, as the Phoenician ruled Portugal for nearly 800 years! YOU are simply grasping at straws in your losing argument here! :tongue3: I proposed a Phoenician connection to the Melungeons - this is NOT belittling their race whatsoever, as the Phoenicians were a GREAT people and instrumental in the building of the Temple!
 

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stilldign said:
beale,
It is my opinion that swr is illuminati. He serves no purpose on this web site except to "dirty the water" of those things that, although unwritten, are obvious to certain people, ie: a few of you treasure hunters. He uses illuminati tactics, and it's obvious, so obvious, that he is not on this web site to either teach or learn.
But I will, with all my Marine Corps training and understanding of the Constitution, fight for his right, and your right, (as well as my right) to free speach.
Mark him as the person he is. Remember this, that when truth exposes and shines light on the B.S. that we have been told, the Illuminati is right there to discredit this truth...by ANY means. Hence....we have swr, and people like him are everywhere...from the Whitehouse on down.

SD, there seem to be a few of these vipers in these threads (SWR, Lastleg, Vamelungeon, etc.).

As Andrew Jackson stated regarding these Bolshevists and Zionists:

You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out.
 

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:D WHEW! This "thread" is running HOT! And "Off-topic"! LOL... STILL a "bit off", is that I found
Capt. BEALE & CO. went up to St. Louis, Mo. via GATEWAY to the WEST of Buchanon County, Va....
THENCE ( :D), took the Santa Fe TRAIL, down into SPANISH territory (Santa Fe). Did NOT go near Natchez "Trace"/Trail; Santa Fe Trail went AROUND Texas, into hostile "Indian" territory... "hitting"
Z. Pike trail, etc. The ONLY "thing" Melungeon, I am interested in are their SILVER MINES... in Tennessee (Jellico?), SW Virginia, Kentucky... which MAY have a Swift & Co. connection; MORE on the "VAULT", please! ;D :wink: :coffee2: :read2:
 

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SWR:

I am beginning to worry about your mental stability. Are you going through
intense stress? Are you getting enough rest? If you are losing sleep and not
eating right you may be pushing yourself past your natural limits. Lately you
remind me of that song "He's been on the job too long".
You know I like relaxing to bluegrass music. It is a calming elixir to us
country folk. It beats Hadacol as an anti-depressant. If you have a banjo
spend a few hours a day strumming along on a Bill Monroe tune or on the
Bluegrass Channel on Sirius. Some of those old gospel song will help you
focus on what is really important in life.
Nobody on this forum is out to get you. Get ahold of yourself, man. You
take care and have a nice day.

lastleg
 

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SWR:

So sorry SWR . . . wrong heading . . . meant SS

lastleg
 

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Back to topic , please . Does seem to be a lot of intentional misdirection here .
From what I have seen in my own area , hiking with Swiftsearcher , and what others have posted here and on other threads this encompasses a number of groups and eras .
The many edifices that appear to predate Swift/Mullens/KGC that cover such a large area of the country lend credence to the idea that they were working from prior knowlege . In the limited time frame that they operated with limited manpower I doubt that they could have been responsible for all the mining and all the monuments attributed to them .
We all are painting on a much larger canvas here .
Jim
 

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Hi Jim. I agree but don't forget the Spanish in Texas. I have good reasons to believe that the KGC found many, if not most, of the treasures and "mines" left behind in Texas by the Spanish centuries before the Civil War. I "believe" this is the case but, until I can actually see examples with my own eyes, I can't yet prove it even to my satisfaction. There are two sites that my partner and I will be working on this winter where this could certainly be the case. We should know more by next spring.
~Texas Jay
 

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Texas Jay said:
Hi Jim. I agree but don't forget the Spanish in Texas. I have good reasons to believe that the KGC found many, if not most, of the treasures and "mines" left behind in Texas by the Spanish centuries before the Civil War. I "believe" this is the case but, until I can actually see examples with my own eyes, I can't yet prove it even to my satisfaction. There are two sites that my partner and I will be working on this winter where this could certainly be the case. We should know more by next spring.
~Texas Jay
I'm a lazy two fingered typist , Jay . That was the only reason for my omission .
The whole deal is a snowball rolling down hill that we all have no idea of the proportion it will acheive with all of us sharing info .
Jim
 

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lastleg said:
SWR:

So sorry SWR . . . wrong heading . . . meant SS

lastleg

And YOU are wondering about my mental stability??? :dontknow: :D
 

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Lastleg - One last thing: We have a Constitution protecting our Religious views in this country. Please do NOT send me another private e-mail attacking my Religious views, as it will NOT be tolerated!
 

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Swiftsearcher:

That was no attack. Why do you say the nays are attacking you? When
grownups debate historical theory it's not personal. I was trying to wake
you up about using sacred text to further your ambitions. If you won't listen,
so be it.

lastleg
 

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