Odyssey Explorer seized in Limassol

AARC said:
Glad you could visit the US... Did you visit any of our historical museums ?
Particularly museums dedicated to any Spanish Shipwreck(s) while you were here ?
How about a Spanish fort restored to its full glory and preservation ?

I think most would be proud to have these items on display in such a way as we do here.
Spain should be proud...
As well as its people.

And they are welcome to bring food.
We really like food.
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I love sarcasm :laughing7:
 

Vegas ?
And what where you doing in Vegas ?

Did you visit Treasure Island ?
Trying to take some of our treasure home ?

If you get any of our Vegas treasures and then loose them in your country...
then they still belong to us.
 

"Speaking after the cabinet meeting at the presidential residence in Troodos, Kasoulides explained that temporarily confiscating the boat was the correct procedure regardless of whether the artefacts were found in Cyprus’ or Lebanon’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ), a fact that is still not clear. He said Cyprus had the obligation to investigate a ship with such a cargo, before granting it permission to depart.
“Whether in one EEZ or the other, the process of the temporary seizure of the ship and its contents will be the same. The Lebanese will come to air their views, we will hear from foreign experts as to where such cargo comes from and what its destination was,” he said.
Asked whether the ship may be handed over to the Lebanese authorities, Kasoulides replied “these are issues that we will have to see because they are preceded by a series of other tests. Depending on the findings, we will act according to the recommendation of the attorney-general.”
 

Now... Lets see... Where were we... ?
Ahhh yes...
You were saying that you visited Vegas to see museums. heh

Welp... you were in the wrong state for Spanish museums...

In Vegas... they only have "wax figures" and some "walking zombies" :P
 

AUVnav said:
AARC, times have changed. There are many times a State has lost against the Feds.

I see with the latest recovery, history has repeated itself with Odyssey. With the SSCA, Odyssey worked an existing Admiralty Arrest, and hoped that the Court would side with RLP (and them). The Court did, and they were lucky. Then again, ownership of the recovery has not yet been determined, after what, 2 years now? Odyssey worked for a day rate plus percentage on the SSCA, how has that worked out so far.

Now, the same scenario repeats itself. Working a claim for a day rate. Since all legitimate work has been stopped or taken away ( Gairsoppa, Victory, Susssex) who are they working for, another secret project?

The artefacts landed in Cyprus, a similar situation to the UK ROW. Odyssey claims they have a permit, but what does that mean regarding ownership, it appears nothing, as the artefacts have been seized, and the authorities are doing an ownership search.
Antiquities is quite the market in those areas, as is the laws regarding them.

Odyssey is very careful to keep repeating the same story, they have a permit, it wasn't in Cypriot waters, and they have been paid a day rate. Everyone is well aware the project was off the coast of Lebanon, so why keep repeating? It is irrelevant, you landed the recovery in Cyprus, so stop acting so guilty.

If the project is legit, why all of the secrecy? Did they have a 'permit' to recovery an 'unknown sailing vessel"?

This is all pointing down the same road as the Mercedes. In this part of the world, they don't mess around with the laws regarding theft of antiquities.

UPDATE:

Transport ministry official Alecos Michaelides told the Cyprus News Agency that the antiquities found on board the ship date back to the 18th century.
Limassol detective Yiannis Soteriades told reporters the authorities had informed Interpol about the seizure.
The items had been documented and numbered more than 600, mostly porcelain vessels which appear to be from a sunken ship.
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Oh yeah... I forgot to respond to this... heh

First... "Why all the secrecy" > ? Um... is this a legitimate concern ? Are you not familiar with salvage ? This almost made me laugh... no offense.
Secrecy is ALWAYS a part of this biz.
Disclosure of locations or information concerning these things is almost always part of a "Non Disclosure" / "non compete" agreement.
With serious legal ramifications tied into a breech of this agreement in which all concerned parties would almost certainly be bound by.

Second... Acting guilty ?
Who's opinion ?... yours ?

Could it be "acting nervous" would be a more appropriate observation ?
I mean...
The vessel has been seized in a foreign country... by I am sure a group of armed individuals who already assume you are breaking laws.
 

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In Spain there is a ship seized from ..... February 2006, the Louisa. The issue is linked directly to Odyssey. Who caused the arrest has (or had) fiscal address in the offices of Odyssey (Tampa). How many coincidences!
 

One thing is never ever trust Spain, even when you do it all legally.

Unfortunately the local governments and authorities are at odds with the national government over who has authority to issue permits in the local areas, and it's easy to get caught in between the two and used as pawns to establish who actually has legal jurisdiction.


http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2009/mar/29/spain-salvage-sentence

http://m.westbriton.co.uk/EXCLUSIVE...nder-Charges/story-11438932-detail/story.html
 

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First... "Why all the secrecy" > ? Um... is this a legitimate concern ? Are you not familiar with salvage ? This almost made me laugh... no offense.
Secrecy is ALWAYS a part of this biz.
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NOT when you are a publicly traded company. The permit should be a matter of public record, correct?

Seizure is a material event, so we shall see what the 8K looks like.

It is very suspect when working in Lebanese waters, and you don't land the recovery in Lebanon.

A shipwreck from the 1700 full of porcelain would not be very difficult to determine the provenance, and of course, with AIS, everyone has been watching the location.

The deal is, it is only a matter of time before it is all figured out, so the confidentiality agreements, with a Company like Odyssey, well, the entity contracting them should know better.
 

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AUVnav said:
NOT when you are a publicly traded company. The permit should be a matter of public record, correct?
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That comment is so stupid I can't tell whether I should laugh at you or cry for you.
 

Can anybody explain (in laymen terms) what in the hell is ... "suspicion of illegal treasure hunting"? I assume this means "trespassing"... right? Now I'm not a walking, talking genius but if I had permission to access somebody's property to walk, ATV, hunt and explore then found 2 old leather bags of old gold coins would I be accused of "suspicion of illegal treasure hunting"?

The point being is this.... If any Country, Government, State and/or present land owner thinks or believes a TREASURE is present upon their property or elsewhere why are they NOT LOOKING for it? If Spain and other countries KNOW they have lost treasure why are they not looking for it and/or pouring funds into the recovery?

It seems somebody always steps up and wants part of what somebody else finds when it's worth a lot of money. It's one of the seven deadly sins..... GREED! Maybe even ENVY! They can't stand it sadly. Keep you big found treasures to yourself. But in fairness Odyssey does have a lot harder task of hiding.
 

That comment is so stupid I can't tell whether I should laugh at you or cry for you.
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Try comprehension. Keeping anything a secret has never worked well for Odyssey. It always comes out, and it is never good.

Confidentiality agreements mean nothing to the authorities...

Why haven't the authorities from Cyprus nor Lebanon been able to validate this 'permit'?

Remember when Odyssey stated this?

"The SS Central America project builds upon our pipeline of existing shipwreck recovery contracts, where our compensation rights are secured and legal issues resolved prior to cargo recovery," added Gordon

Do you think that was the truth?
 

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And, what about the HMS Sussex?
 

It appears that the latest news from Cyprus is that the Lebanese Authorities requested the seizure.
 

*Yawn*
So nothing new here ?
No info/news on this yet ?
 

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