Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Yep. And that is why it is so hard to prove a negative; like that no treasure exists there and never did.

"You should have looked lefter, deeper, sooner". (As in it was removed earlier).

 

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[xaos]

Never. It's never that a treasure "isn't" there. It will *always* be a "little more to the left" or a "little more to the right", or a "little deeper". But NEVER can we conclude "it's not there". That's never an acceptable answer.

"You should have looked lefter, deeper, sooner".

The Joseph Smith model...which is why he was run all the way out to the Great Salt Lake.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

He lived for a bit just a few miles down the road in Bainbridge, NY - where he was a regular in the "Police Blotter" of the time. He claimed to have a magic "looking stone" that showed treasure. Maybe the first "Long Range Locator"? And his grandpa was frequently in trouble for selling snake oil remedies.

{Smith said} he had a certain stone which he had occasionally looked at to determine where hidden treasures in the bowels of the earth were; that he professed to tell in this manner where gold mines were a distance under ground, and had looked for Mr. Stowel several times, and had informed him where he could find these treasures, and Mr. Stowel had been engaged in digging for them. That at Palmyra he pretended to tell by looking at this stone where coined money was buried in Pennsylvania, and while at Palmyra had frequently ascertained in that way where lost property was of various kinds; that he had occasionally been in the habit of looking through this stone to find lost property for three years, but of late had pretty much given it up on account of its injuring his health, especially his eyes, making them sore; that he did not solicit business of this kind, and had always rather declined having anything to do with this business. ... And therefore the Court find the Defendant guilty. Costs: Warrant, 19c. Complaint upon oath, 25 1/2c. Seven witnesses, 87 1/2c. Recognisances, 25c. Mittimus, 19c. Recognisances of witnesses, 75c. Subpoena, 18c. - $2.68

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system

 

[lokiblossom]

The Joseph Smith model...which is why he was run all the way out to the Great Salt Lake.

Hmm, in what year did Joseph Smith go to Salt Lake?

Cheers, loki

 

[Robot]

Talk About Making Outlandish Claims...With No Investigated Proof!

The Joseph Smith model...which is why he was run all the way out to the Great Salt Lake.

Joseph Smith never made it to the Great Salt Lake, it was his successor Brigham Young who built near Salt Lake, Utah!

He was unfortunately assassinated in the Carthage, Illinois Jail by an angry Mob.

Joseph Smith did have a connection to The Mystery of Oak Island, which I have posted on this Thread, Numbers 23 and 163.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

... Joseph Smith did have a connection to The Mystery of Oak Island, which I have posted on this Thread, Numbers 23 and 163.

Heck, there's almost no country, religion, denomination, fraternal organization, or pirate, that DOESN'T have a part to do with Oak Island. Who's next ? Martians ? Big foot ? The cub scouts ? At what point doesn't it start to sound a bit .... uh .... far out to someone ?

Oh, wait, we already answered that. The answer is that it is never "far out" or "not there". As per post #'s 1378 & 1380 .

 

[Robot]

Thanks Tom...You Started Another Game...6 Degrees from...Oak Island!

Heck, there's almost no country, religion, denomination, fraternal organization, or pirate, that DOESN'T have a part to do with Oak Island. Who's next ? Martians ? Big foot ? The cub scouts ? At what point doesn't it start to sound a bit .... uh .... far out to someone ?

Oh, wait, we already answered that. The answer is that it is never "far out" or "not there". As per post #'s 1378 & 1380 .

Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon is a parlor game based on the "six degrees of separation" concept.

Six Degrees of Oak Island...which posits that any material thing, searcher, or person on Earth are just six or fewer acquaintance links apart from Oak Island.

Oak Island buffs challenge each other to find the shortest path between any random assigned Material Thing, Searcher, or Person and their connection to Oak Island.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

...which posits that any material thing, searcher, or person on Earth are just six or fewer acquaintance links apart from Oak Island....

Well, sure, I've heard this posit before. But doesn't the truth of this posit DIS-credit Oak Island faithfuls ? Because, if the posit is true: Then so-too can you make any other claims, of any other supposed treasures, and find indestructible logic links that purport to bolster the assertions.

 

[Robot]

Everyone Is A Winner...With...This Game!

Well, sure, I've heard this posit before. But doesn't the truth of this posit DIS-credit Oak Island faithfuls ? Because, if the posit is true: Then so-too can you make any other claims, of any other supposed treasures, and find indestructible logic links that purport to bolster the assertions.

There are no Losers... with...Six Degrees of Oak Island!

 

[franklin]

Has anyone ever heard of the seven foot silver layer under an Indian Village in SW Ohio. Fake just like other treasure stories. They drilled down and after a long time silver started coming up on the end of the drill bit. Seems one of the boys working on the drill dropped some silver coins down the drill shaft. Well don't you know it was the richest seam of silver found since the Comstock Load.

It is the same with the Oak Island Treasure. The three links of gold chain is most likely modern and the parchment could come from any document. This is ways of bringing in investors.

At the time of the Oak Island Treasure when the three boys say they found where the shaft was located or the "Money Pit" There were scores of stories in newspapers all over New England about "Captain Kids Treasure" Several swindle jobs were pulled up in Pennsylvania and all along the Jersey and New York Coast Line. When the Oak Island Treasure story started out it was a treasure of "Captain Kids" over the years it has progressed into every treasure that has ever been lost or buried and some that never happened at all.

Just maybe there was no treasure to start with at Oak Island.

With all of the tunnels leading to the "money pit" from Smith's Cove and most of them only eight inch triangles. It seems to me that they were only running sea water into a well to get clean drinking water. With the grass and coconut fibers for filters.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Has anyone ever heard of the seven foot silver layer under an Indian Village in SW Ohio. Fake just like other treasure stories. They drilled down and after a long time silver started coming up on the end of the drill bit. Seems one of the boys working on the drill dropped some silver coins down the drill shaft. Well don't you know it was the richest seam of silver found since the Comstock Load.

It is the same with the Oak Island Treasure. The three links of gold chain is most likely modern and the parchment could come from any document. This is ways of bringing in investors.

At the time of the Oak Island Treasure when the three boys say they found where the shaft was located or the "Money Pit" There were scores of stories in newspapers all over New England about "Captain Kids Treasure" Several swindle jobs were pulled up in Pennsylvania and all along the Jersey and New York Coast Line. When the Oak Island Treasure story started out it was a treasure of "Captain Kids" over the years it has progressed into every treasure that has ever been lost or buried and some that never happened at all.

Just maybe there was no treasure to start with at Oak Island.

With all of the tunnels leading to the "money pit" from Smith's Cove and most of them only eight inch triangles. It seems to me that they were only running sea water into a well to get clean drinking water. With the grass and coconut fibers for filters.

What ? More plausible explanations than the conclusion of "treasure" ? Say it isn't so ! Every single treasure legend is true. To think otherwise, is to be "close-minded" and "negative". Repent ! haha

 

[sasquash]

Heck, there's almost no country, religion, denomination, fraternal organization, or pirate, that DOESN'T have a part to do with Oak Island. Who's next ? Martians ? Big foot ? The cub scouts ? At what point doesn't it start to sound a bit .... uh .... far out to someone ?

Yes I am part of it ...

 

[Robot]

Good Example!

Yes I am part of it ...

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Within 2 posit I am there!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

It's kinda funny on T'net, if/when someone tries to draw an analogy to something "totally off the radar", to illustrate how UN plausible something might be. To say "Bigfoot" or "Elvis seen alive" or "Aliens held captive in Roswell", then .... be prepared : Someone will actually believe various things like that. And so the example doesn't hold water. So I switched to "leprechauns". So far so good with that one. Haven't had a leprechaun believer yet

 

[Robot]

Gee...Tom...You Have Not Been Reading Enough About...Oak Island!

There has been Leprechauns spotted on the mainland.

Who do "You Believe" dug all those tunnels and buried their "Treasure"...on Oak Island?




Like I have said...Everyone can have an Opinion, Speculation, Theory, or Hypothesis...on this Thread!

 

[sasquash]

It's kinda funny on T'net, if/when someone tries to draw an analogy to something "totally off the radar", to illustrate how UN plausible something might be. To say "Bigfoot" or "Elvis seen alive" or "Aliens held captive in Roswell", then .... be prepared : Someone will actually believe various things like that. And so the example doesn't hold water. So I switched to "leprechauns". So far so good with that one. Haven't had a leprechaun believer yet

Leprechaun's tunnel on the other side of the island

 

[xaos]

Fanny Young who dug a 'pit' on Oak Island in 1850 was the 34th and last wife of Joseph Smith, and sister of Brigham Young....

 

[sasquash]

Fanny Young who dug a 'pit' on Oak Island in 1850 was the 34th and last wife of Joseph Smith, and sister of Brigham Young....

Sure, could it be coconut fiber on this leprechaun ?

 

[sasquash]

Id say that the current work has quite a ways to go before they hit anywhere near the levels excavated to in the past.

1909 and 1931...

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"U" shaped coffer dam exposed in 1960...

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1970's this massive trench was simply bulldozed flat to fill it...this is probably the "tunnels" the current seismic study has found.

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A sample of the digging, coffer dams, shafts, trenches, shoring, blasting, and other works...late 1800's, all before 1900. with references to excavation encountered from the early 1800's

1850

Under the rocks are five 8-inch wide drains of flat stones over pairs of parallel lines of stones converging to a single larger drain at the high tide line, leading inland. As the drains are excavated, they are found to slope down toward the shore.

1861
April 3
The Oak Island Association syndicate is formed, based on the Truro syndicate. Included are Adam Tupper, Jotham McCully, James McNutt, Jefferson McDonald, Samuel Retti, and George Mitchell. They make a deal with land owner Anthony Graves, to give him one-third of any treasure recovered. The company issues 100 shares at $20 each. [4.48] (1860 [5.50]) (1863 [7.37])
(month unknown)
The Oak Island Association resumes the search. The Money Pit is cleared to 88 feet, encountering no water. A new shaft (5B) 25 feet away is dug to 120 feet, with no sign of the flood tunnel. [4.48] [5.50] (1863 [1.194] [7.38])
Another shaft (No. 6) is dug 18 feet west of Money Pit. At 118 feet, a horizontal tunnel toward the Money Pit is started. At 17 feet toward the main shaft, water and mud again rush in. A pumping gin is employed, but stopped after three days pumping with no progress in keeping the water out. [4.50] [5.50]
A tunnel is dug from the 120 foot shaft, 25 feet away from the Money Pit. Again, as they get close to the main pit, uncontrollable water rushes in. They try bailing the three shafts using four 70-gallon buckets with all 63 men and 33 horses. They abandon this after a couple days. [4.50] [5.51]
Two men go into a connecting tunnel toward the Money Pit to clear out the mud. A big crash is heard, the men barely escape, and water rushes in. The water level is lowered again, then another big crash is heard, then collapse of timbering within Money Pit, leaving only the upper 30 feet. Now, the bottom is sounded at 102 feet, 14 feet lower than previous. Some artifacts are recovered from the inrush of debris, but no treasure. Artifacts recovered: bottom of yellow painted barrel or dish, stick of oak timber 3.5 feet long, piece of juniper with bark on and cut at each end, spruce slab with mining auger hole in it. [4.50] [5.51] [7.38]
The Oak Island Association raises another $2000. [4.53]

September 30
The Novascotian publishes an article "The Oak Island Folly". [3.43] [5.206]

1862
(Spring) The Oak Island Association digs a shaft (No. 7) close to the west of the Money Pit. It is dug to 107 feet, using a pump to keep it free of water. At 90 feet tools from 1850 Truro work are found; at 100 feet tools of 1804 Onslow are found. No sign of the water tunnel is found down to 107 feet. Then the Money Pit is dug and sides cribbed to 103 feet, but pumping cannot keep up with water to dig further. [4.54] [5.52] [7.39]
A new shaft is dug inland from Smith's Cove, down to 50 feet, no flood tunnel found. Tunnels are dug from the bottom in various directions, but encounter no flood tunnel. [4.54] [5.52] [7.39]
The box drains of Smith's Cove are uncovered and 30-40 feet are removed and packed full of clay. This reduces the water flow into the Money Pit, but the sea soon clears out the clay. [4.55] [5.52] [7.39] Box drains removed?

1863
Shaft 9 is dug, 100 feet south-east of the Money Pit, 20 feet south of the assumed line of the flood tunnel. They dig down to 120 feet, then dig toward Smith's Cove in search of the flood tunnel. Another tunnel is dug toward the Money Pit, reaching it at the 108 foot level. The Money Pit is cribbed to 108 feet, and tunnels are dug from that level in search of treasure. [1.196] [4.54] [5.52] [7.39]

1866 Who built to coffer dam?

The Oak Island Eldorado Company builds a 375 foot long 12 foot high dam of wood and clay at Smith's Cove. The dam fails to keep water out of the Money Pit, and the sea quickly destroys the dam. [1.195] [4.56] [5.54] [7.43]
November 26
(to January 7, 1867) The Money Pit is cleared to 108 feet, and continuous pumping keeps the water level low. A drill is set at the 90 foot level. Drilling hits spruce wood at 110 feet. At 128 feet, borings include coconut fiber, wood chips, and charcoal. At 132 feet, oak borings, chips of spruce or poplar, and coconut fiber. At 158-163 feet, all holes hit hard reddish marl natural to the island. [1.195] [5.54] [4.57] [7.43,44]

1897

The Oak Island Treasure Company drills to 153 feet, then encounters 7 inches of soft stone, 5 inches of oak, then perhaps soft metal. Drill operator William Chappell finds traces of gold on the drill, but keeps it a secret. [1.171]
Five small holes, 15 feet apart, along a line 80-95 feet are drilled 50 feet inland from high tide on Smith's Cove. Only the center hole reaches salt water at 80 feet. Each hole is loaded with 50-75 pounds of dynamite, and blown up. No great effect. 160 pounds detonated in the middle hole causes water in the Money Pit and Cave-in Pit to foam and bubble, proving a connection between the Money Pit and the shore. [1.197] [4.66] [5.63] [7.84]
Captain Welling discovers an equilateral triangle of stones near the high water mark of the south shore, 10 feet on each side, with the base running approximately east-to-west. [4.112] [7.92]
Assuming the flood tunnel is now clogged from the dynamiting, work commences on the Money Pit. Water is pumped out down to 100 feet, and a platform and drill (2.5-inch drill in 3-inch pipe) are set at the 90 foot level. The first drilling hits oak at 126 feet, for 5 inches, then hits iron, can't drill through it. [1.197] [4.68] [5.65] [7.85]
The second drill hole is made 1 foot from the first. Drilling gets to 153 feet 8 inches, then hits soft stone or cement, 7 inches thick, then 5 inches solid oak. Then a 1.5-2 inch gap, then through possibly soft metal. Further drilling in this hole encounters (possibly) metal in pieces, then the same undrillable iron near 154 ft. Borings brought up include oak chips, coconut fiber, and other bits that will be examined later (piece of parchment). [1.197] [4.68] [5.65] [7.85]
The third drill hole strikes wood at 122 feet, then cement at 153 feet. Then the drill runs between wood and cement for 4 feet, and cement alone another 3 feet, then 11 feet of blue puddled clay to a depth of 160 feet. Then an iron barrier is struck at 171 feet. Drilling for 2-3 hours only gets 1/4 inch into the iron. Borings checked with a magnet confirm iron cuttings. [4.68] [5.65] [7.85]
The fourth hole encounters iron at 166 feet, passes through, then drilling ends at 188 feet in solid clay. [5.65] [7.85]
The fifth hole encounters cement at 150 feet, continuing for 20 feet, then drilling through clay ends at 175 feet. One hole encounters gushing water at 126 feet, 400 gallons per minute flow rate, suggesting a tunnel to the south shore. [4.68] [5.65] [7.85]
At the Court House in Amherst, Dr. A.E. Porter studies with a magnifying glass recent borings brought up from drilling. He unrolls a tiny fragment that appears to be parchment with writing, possibly showing "vi", "ui", or "wi". [1.197] [4.68] [7.89]
Experts in Boston examine the tiny piece of parchment, confirming the material and that it is inscribed with India ink. [1.197] [4.68] [7.89]

1898

April
Shaft #18 near the Money Pit is dug down to 160 feet, then water rushes in. Water in the Money Pit initially lowers by 14 feet, indicating the two pits are connected. [4.72] [5.74] [7.90]

Shaft 19 is dug to 144 feet, then abandoned due to quicksand, unsafe soil, boulders, or inrush of water. [4.72] [7.90]

1899

Shaft 20, 5 feet by 8 feet, is excavated beside the Money Pit on the west side. A mass of cribbing is encountered, likely from 1850 excavations. By 113 feet, the pumps are overwhelmed by the quantity of water flowing

Summary:

Again, what part of this island has not been excavated to at least 100 or more feet? Wonder if the current people looking for the finger drains realize they were partially removed in 1850, and later in 1862...

1850: Under the rocks are five 8-inch wide drains of flat stones over pairs of parallel lines of stones converging to a single larger drain at the high tide line, leading inland. As the drains are excavated, they are found to slope down toward the shore

1862: The Oak Island Eldorado Company builds a 375 foot long 12 foot high dam of wood and clay at Smith's Cove Do they realize the "u" shaped coffer dam (with the roman numerals, was built in 1862) Carved with an axe, what else would you number with than notch simple roman numerals with an axe?

1866: The box drains of Smith's Cove are uncovered and 30-40 feet are removed and packed full of clay.

Has anyone simply drilled a well to see what the naturally occurring groundwater level is on an island next to the Ocean

This is the real fact, not fiction or reality show !

Who will win the $$$ for the post 1400 ?

 

[etex]

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