Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!
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What?... My "Theory" has "Errors"?
I am always willing to correct my theories!
Rather than making a statement, please present any erroneous information with documented proof for my consideration.
I like the quote:
"Wise men post because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something."
I am always willing to correct my theories!
Rather than making a statement, please present any erroneous information with documented proof for my consideration.
I like the quote:
"Wise men post because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something."
Robot
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A Name by Any Other Name...May Still be the Same... Levasseur!
I believe the Levasseur you are referring to in St. Dominguez... is the Levasseur that went by the name "Francois", who was the same person as the "Jean Levasseur" I wrote about.
François Levasseur , who died in 1652 on the island of La Tortue , is a Huguenot naval officer, the first governor of Turtle Island
Many french men in the 17th-Century France went by the hyphenated given name of...Jean-Francois!
I believe the Levasseur you are referring to in St. Dominguez... is the Levasseur that went by the name "Francois", who was the same person as the "Jean Levasseur" I wrote about.
François Levasseur , who died in 1652 on the island of La Tortue , is a Huguenot naval officer, the first governor of Turtle Island
Many french men in the 17th-Century France went by the hyphenated given name of...Jean-Francois!
Eldo
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BTW...... This Vault is the one called "Vault 7" Robot.....seven steps from the Lion's Head.....
If you are wondering how Wikileaks was so quick to call their last release by that name.......
Assange is a French name as well.
Eldo
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Did he write the H+O Stone too? The one that is used as a Keystone?
The one that everyone has seen for years, and acted as if it has nothing to do with the 90' stone, even though it has the same characters on both stones......
........the "DECIPHER STONE" as you call it........is an interesting "Keyword" of its own the way you have coined it......
more like the fancy and cryptic looking name that you created to add yet another theory to something that is set in stone already......
The Highlighted wording shows that there is where you made the mistake in combining everything that you see on the island into a single person's trove......
The Bacon/Champlain Mission was there before and that is Bacon's Coding....Not LaBuse's.....and before Bacon, was the Impossible Walker......don't you, being a historian of the history even know about their little "Triangle Trade" ?
EVERY book about David Ingram shows he was camped "On an Island 60 miles west of Cape Breton", where they met M. Champagne for a ride home to England.
La Buse used an entirely DIFFERENT system later called a Pig Pen Cipher.....known before as the Masonic Cipher. His markings are not the same as the ones in La Formule, yet his signature is there ?
FAKE......
Now you may have something going there with your little red dot on the map......if there was a French Pirate there for weeks, hiding in a well founded English Colony.....(a ludicrous assumption you make considering the)
Or maybe you have another assumption about an entrance....the hidden channel into the pit.......?
So now we have 3 historically recognized landmark journeys there, and here comes the next one, out of nowhere, complete with newly formed ciphers, combining 3 different treasures......one, the Mc Ginnis "Money Pit", two, the Bacon treasure of the Beloved, and another BS fabricated story line by the Travel and Tourism Dept on Hoax Island......
about a man who travelled from Madagascar? to dump his trove in Nova Scotia......as opposed to an ISland they would frequent in their vicinity.....nope he moved his pirate trove all the way to Acadia.....
Even though it was heavily patrolled by English Naval Fleet......
Right good one Robot....
Now that they are "Using Your Story" for their episodes as you claimed, we now see that there is another What If that you are creating for everyone's entertainment here.....
Its like our own mini war room......
Eldo
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Sure has all the What If's that a whole season would occupy.
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La Formule...A Map...May Still Be a Map...When copied from the Original!
Although this Map appears to have the Symbols used by La Buse, it does show to be a copy:
La Buse would never have compromised his Secret Encrypted Map by giving it a title of "La Formule" (The Formula) nor misspelled his name "La Vaseur (Levasseur).
I believe this was added after his death to a copied Map, copied from his Journal.
The Map shows to be a copy with some of the Symbols exceeding past the outline.
Although this Map appears to have the Symbols used by La Buse, it does show to be a copy:
La Buse would never have compromised his Secret Encrypted Map by giving it a title of "La Formule" (The Formula) nor misspelled his name "La Vaseur (Levasseur).
I believe this was added after his death to a copied Map, copied from his Journal.
The Map shows to be a copy with some of the Symbols exceeding past the outline.
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Gentlemen, you are rapidly confirming my postulation that the pit is strictly a red herring, that the money room lies above the high water level accessible by a diverging tunnel in a definite direction so many meters in undisturbed ground, accessible by a relatively shallow excavation. always above the high water level. 
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Could Oak Island’s 1704 Stone Rock been a Remembrance for the Deerfield Massacre?
Robert Restall recovered a stone near Smith’s Cove, Oak Island, a stone with the engravings “1704” scratched on it.
Like... San Antonio’s call “Remember the Alamo” could this Stone have been left on the shores of Acadia to mark the terrible occurrences that took place at Deerfield, Massachusetts,in “1704”?
In 1702, with the outbreak of Queen Anne's War, New England colonists had taken prisoner a successful French pirate, Pierre Maisonnat dit Baptiste.
To gain his return, the French governor of Canada planned to raid the settlement of Deerfield, in alliance with the Mohawk of the Iroquois, Abenaki from northeast New England and the Pocumtuc.
Their intent was to capture a prisoner of equal value to the Pirate Baptiste for exchange.
The French Raiding Party captured Deerfield, along with capturing the Reverend John Williams (a prominent man in the community) and more than 100 other English settlers.
“On the night of 28 February 1704, approximately 300 French and Indian soldiers took 112 citizens captive, besides killing a total of 56 men, women and children, including two of Williams' children (six-year-old son John Jr., and six-week-old daughter Jerushah) and his African slave Parthena.
The raiding party marched the Williams and other families on a cruel trek of 300 miles (480 km) over winter landscape to Canada.
On route to Quebec, a Mohawk killed Williams' wife after she fell while trying to cross a creek, along with Frank, another African slave.
Others of the most vulnerable older and youngest people died, some at the hands of Indians who judged them unable to go on.
Williams remained steadfast and encouraged the other captives with prayer and scripture along their journey to Quebec.
The large party had seven weeks of hard overland travel to reach Fort Chambly.”
The Indian contingent included 200 Abenaki, Iroquois, Wyandot, and Pocumtuc, some of whom sought revenge for incidents that had taken place years earlier.
These were joined by another 30 to 40 Pennacook led by the sachem Wattanummon.
This party moved south toward Deerfield in January and February 1704, raising the troop size to nearly 300 by the time it reached the Deerfield area in late February.
For the 112 English captives, the raid was only the beginning of their troubles.
The raiders intended to take them to Canada, a 300-mile (480 km) journey, in the middle of winter.
Many of the captives were ill-prepared for this, and the raiders were short on provisions.
A majority of the captives taken were women and children whom the French and Indian captors viewed as being more likely than adult males to successfully integrate into native communities.
The Indians consequently engaged in a common practice by killing those captives that were unable to keep up.
Williams commented on the savage cruelty of the Indian raiders and although most killings were not random or wanton, none of those killed would have needed to be killed had they not been taken in the first place.
Most (though not all) of the slain were the slow and vulnerable, who could not keep up with the party and would likely have died less quickly on route.
Only 89 of the captives survived the ordeal.
Survival chances correlated with age and gender with infants and young children faring the worst, and older children and teenagers (all 21 of whom survived the ordeal) faring the best.
Adult men fared better than adult women, especially pregnant women, and those with small children.
Williams' wife Eunice, weak after having given birth just six weeks earlier, was one of the first to be killed during the trek.
In the first few days several of the captives escaped.
The Indians had some disagreements among themselves concerning the disposition of the captives and the French Commander Hertel de Rouville gave instructions to Reverend Williams to inform the others that recaptured escapees would be tortured.
Upon the threat of this, there were no further escapes.
This threat was not an empty one, for it was known what these Indian Raiders had done to captives on other raids.
The death of family members had a profound psychological effect upon the Iroquois and the other Indian Raiders, thus they required strong measures to relieve themselves of sadness.
Essentially, they felt that they required restitution in some form or another for their dead relatives.
Grieving matriarchs petitioned the tribe’s warriors to retrieve captives for torture.
“Of all the North American Indian tribes, the seventeenth-century Iroquois are the most renowned for their cruelty towards other human beings.
Scholars know that they ruthlessly tortured captives and that they were cannibals; in the Algonquin tongue the word Mohawk actually means flesh-eater.
There is even a story that the Indians in neighboring Iroquois territory would flee their homes upon sight of just a small band of Mohawks.”
In 1704 as a response to the French Raid on Deerfield, Massachusetts, Benjamin Church led the retaliatory raid against Acadia (present-day Nova Scotia).
Benjamin Church may have used Oak Island for his base while in Acadia.
That same year, Church had raided almost all of Nova Scotia, including the villages of Grand Pré, Pisiquid, and Beaubassin with the burning of these Villages, Crops, and Cattle to the ground.
Church’s Raiding Party may have left behind on “Oak Island” the Stone Sign 1704, as a Warning and Remembrance!
Robert Restall recovered a stone near Smith’s Cove, Oak Island, a stone with the engravings “1704” scratched on it.
Like... San Antonio’s call “Remember the Alamo” could this Stone have been left on the shores of Acadia to mark the terrible occurrences that took place at Deerfield, Massachusetts,in “1704”?
In 1702, with the outbreak of Queen Anne's War, New England colonists had taken prisoner a successful French pirate, Pierre Maisonnat dit Baptiste.
To gain his return, the French governor of Canada planned to raid the settlement of Deerfield, in alliance with the Mohawk of the Iroquois, Abenaki from northeast New England and the Pocumtuc.
Their intent was to capture a prisoner of equal value to the Pirate Baptiste for exchange.
The French Raiding Party captured Deerfield, along with capturing the Reverend John Williams (a prominent man in the community) and more than 100 other English settlers.
“On the night of 28 February 1704, approximately 300 French and Indian soldiers took 112 citizens captive, besides killing a total of 56 men, women and children, including two of Williams' children (six-year-old son John Jr., and six-week-old daughter Jerushah) and his African slave Parthena.
The raiding party marched the Williams and other families on a cruel trek of 300 miles (480 km) over winter landscape to Canada.
On route to Quebec, a Mohawk killed Williams' wife after she fell while trying to cross a creek, along with Frank, another African slave.
Others of the most vulnerable older and youngest people died, some at the hands of Indians who judged them unable to go on.
Williams remained steadfast and encouraged the other captives with prayer and scripture along their journey to Quebec.
The large party had seven weeks of hard overland travel to reach Fort Chambly.”
The Indian contingent included 200 Abenaki, Iroquois, Wyandot, and Pocumtuc, some of whom sought revenge for incidents that had taken place years earlier.
These were joined by another 30 to 40 Pennacook led by the sachem Wattanummon.
This party moved south toward Deerfield in January and February 1704, raising the troop size to nearly 300 by the time it reached the Deerfield area in late February.
For the 112 English captives, the raid was only the beginning of their troubles.
The raiders intended to take them to Canada, a 300-mile (480 km) journey, in the middle of winter.
Many of the captives were ill-prepared for this, and the raiders were short on provisions.
A majority of the captives taken were women and children whom the French and Indian captors viewed as being more likely than adult males to successfully integrate into native communities.
The Indians consequently engaged in a common practice by killing those captives that were unable to keep up.
Williams commented on the savage cruelty of the Indian raiders and although most killings were not random or wanton, none of those killed would have needed to be killed had they not been taken in the first place.
Most (though not all) of the slain were the slow and vulnerable, who could not keep up with the party and would likely have died less quickly on route.
Only 89 of the captives survived the ordeal.
Survival chances correlated with age and gender with infants and young children faring the worst, and older children and teenagers (all 21 of whom survived the ordeal) faring the best.
Adult men fared better than adult women, especially pregnant women, and those with small children.
Williams' wife Eunice, weak after having given birth just six weeks earlier, was one of the first to be killed during the trek.
In the first few days several of the captives escaped.
The Indians had some disagreements among themselves concerning the disposition of the captives and the French Commander Hertel de Rouville gave instructions to Reverend Williams to inform the others that recaptured escapees would be tortured.
Upon the threat of this, there were no further escapes.
This threat was not an empty one, for it was known what these Indian Raiders had done to captives on other raids.
The death of family members had a profound psychological effect upon the Iroquois and the other Indian Raiders, thus they required strong measures to relieve themselves of sadness.
Essentially, they felt that they required restitution in some form or another for their dead relatives.
Grieving matriarchs petitioned the tribe’s warriors to retrieve captives for torture.
“Of all the North American Indian tribes, the seventeenth-century Iroquois are the most renowned for their cruelty towards other human beings.
Scholars know that they ruthlessly tortured captives and that they were cannibals; in the Algonquin tongue the word Mohawk actually means flesh-eater.
There is even a story that the Indians in neighboring Iroquois territory would flee their homes upon sight of just a small band of Mohawks.”
In 1704 as a response to the French Raid on Deerfield, Massachusetts, Benjamin Church led the retaliatory raid against Acadia (present-day Nova Scotia).
Benjamin Church may have used Oak Island for his base while in Acadia.
That same year, Church had raided almost all of Nova Scotia, including the villages of Grand Pré, Pisiquid, and Beaubassin with the burning of these Villages, Crops, and Cattle to the ground.
Church’s Raiding Party may have left behind on “Oak Island” the Stone Sign 1704, as a Warning and Remembrance!
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Or it was on the front porch of 1704 Oak Street.
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The caption in the photo should read "I will carve your address on an Oak Island rock for $5.00"
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When it comes to Oak Island…Rum is more the Choice…Than Tea!
Was Oak Island’s involvement with Rum… the “First Shot” for America’s "Call for Independence" from England?
New England’s call for “No Taxation Without Representation” was issued even prior to the “Boston Tea Party” when the Molasses Act of 1733 was made law by England.
Molasses Act of 1733
“When the trading of molasses first began, it was unrestrained, apart from small local taxes. The colonies began to prefer French molasses to British because of the price difference. French policy provided incredibly cheap prices, and the British could no longer compete. In order to control the molasses trade with the English colonies, the Parliament of Great Britain decided to place high taxes on any molasses that was shipped from a foreign power to the colonies in North America. The Molasses Act of 1733 imposed a fee of six pence per gallon on foreign molasses.[SUP][5][/SUP] This act was meant to force the colonies into buying molasses from the British or stop producing rum in North America. Many, however, say that the Molasses Act was put in place to destroy New England’s rum industry. Contrary to Parliament’s plans, the colonies first protested this act. They soon realized that instead of complying with the new Molasses Act, it would be much easier for them to just ignore the new prohibitive taxes and smuggle molasses from the West Indies via French Canada.”
This represented a heavy tax placed on the Molasses trade and any Molasses coming from French Canada to Boston, Massachusetts.
The French West Indies had much lower pricing due to a surplus of Molasses because of their inability to ship Molasses to France.
France discouraged Rum competing with France’s Brandy market.
England’s Molasses was substantially higher priced, so an excessive import tax was placed on all Molasses coming from all locations except the British West Indies.
A Carved Stone located on Oak Island may have been "Hang A Shingle" for the business of W.R. Clark.
The Story of William R. Clark (W.R.Clark) is the story of a successful Boston Boat Building business and his prohibition trade in Molasses with the French Canadian Capital, Fortress of Louisbourg.
French Canada traded Dried Cod to the French West Indies for their Molasses.
William Clark had one of the most prestigious homes in Boston.
In the years including 1735, W.R. Clark was in the business of selling “Boston Whalers and Fishing Ships” to French Canada to be used on the Grand Banks and in exchange would purchase counter band Molasses for the manufacturing of Rum.
The stories may be true that William Clark used Oak Island’s location to repackage French Molasses into an acceptable British commodity to enable his product's return back to Boston, duty free.
It was told that Captain William Clark died in 1742, from what was a broken heart.
This occurred after the British destroyed all 40 of his ships in the French harbor of Louisbourg.
40 ships loaded with Molasses capable of producing thousands of gallons of Rum may have been enough to break any man's heart.
I believe the W.R.Clark Marker Stone… left on the island in 1735, was a testament to his time spent at…Oak Island!
Was Oak Island’s involvement with Rum… the “First Shot” for America’s "Call for Independence" from England?
New England’s call for “No Taxation Without Representation” was issued even prior to the “Boston Tea Party” when the Molasses Act of 1733 was made law by England.
Molasses Act of 1733
“When the trading of molasses first began, it was unrestrained, apart from small local taxes. The colonies began to prefer French molasses to British because of the price difference. French policy provided incredibly cheap prices, and the British could no longer compete. In order to control the molasses trade with the English colonies, the Parliament of Great Britain decided to place high taxes on any molasses that was shipped from a foreign power to the colonies in North America. The Molasses Act of 1733 imposed a fee of six pence per gallon on foreign molasses.[SUP][5][/SUP] This act was meant to force the colonies into buying molasses from the British or stop producing rum in North America. Many, however, say that the Molasses Act was put in place to destroy New England’s rum industry. Contrary to Parliament’s plans, the colonies first protested this act. They soon realized that instead of complying with the new Molasses Act, it would be much easier for them to just ignore the new prohibitive taxes and smuggle molasses from the West Indies via French Canada.”
This represented a heavy tax placed on the Molasses trade and any Molasses coming from French Canada to Boston, Massachusetts.
The French West Indies had much lower pricing due to a surplus of Molasses because of their inability to ship Molasses to France.
France discouraged Rum competing with France’s Brandy market.
England’s Molasses was substantially higher priced, so an excessive import tax was placed on all Molasses coming from all locations except the British West Indies.
A Carved Stone located on Oak Island may have been "Hang A Shingle" for the business of W.R. Clark.
The Story of William R. Clark (W.R.Clark) is the story of a successful Boston Boat Building business and his prohibition trade in Molasses with the French Canadian Capital, Fortress of Louisbourg.
French Canada traded Dried Cod to the French West Indies for their Molasses.
William Clark had one of the most prestigious homes in Boston.
In the years including 1735, W.R. Clark was in the business of selling “Boston Whalers and Fishing Ships” to French Canada to be used on the Grand Banks and in exchange would purchase counter band Molasses for the manufacturing of Rum.
The stories may be true that William Clark used Oak Island’s location to repackage French Molasses into an acceptable British commodity to enable his product's return back to Boston, duty free.
It was told that Captain William Clark died in 1742, from what was a broken heart.
This occurred after the British destroyed all 40 of his ships in the French harbor of Louisbourg.
40 ships loaded with Molasses capable of producing thousands of gallons of Rum may have been enough to break any man's heart.
I believe the W.R.Clark Marker Stone… left on the island in 1735, was a testament to his time spent at…Oak Island!
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Not All Oak Trees…Come From The Same Acorn!
There are many stories as to how "Oak Island" got its name.
It was not the first island in Acadia called Oak Island.
That title went to the Island near New Minas, roughly 100 miles north of present day Oak Island.
“New Minas was founded in 1682 by Acadians from the Grand Pré area, the largest of the settlements known as Les Mines or Minas after the French copper mines explored at Cape d'Or at the entrance to the Minas Basin in the 1600s. As the Minas settlement grew, families moved westward up the Cornwallis River led by Pierre Terriot and founded a new settlement which came to be known to English surveyors as "New Minas".
The Acadians knew their settlement as St. Antoine. It was built beside a tidal island in the bend of the river, later known as Oak Island. They repeated the pattern of the Grand Pré settlement by connecting dykes to Oak Island to turn tidal marshland into productive farmland. The settlement grew to include a mill, chapel and burial ground at Oak Island.”
Today's Oak Island was first named Smith's Island in 1762.
"A large part of Oak Island was granted to the Monro, Lynch, Seacombe and Young families around the same time as the establishment of Chester. The first major group of settlers arrived in the Chester area from Massachusetts in 1761. The following year, Oak Island was officially surveyed and divided into 32 four-acre lots. In the early days of British settlement, the Island was known locally as "Smith's Island," after an early settler of the area named Edward Smith."
In 1778 Cartographer Joseph Frederick Wallet DesBarres renamed the Island "Gloucester Isle" possibly after Earl of Gloucester from William Shakespeare's play…King Lear
Robert Fitzroy, 1st Earl of Gloucester (before 1100 — 31 October 1147) was the son of King Henry I of England and like Sir Francis Bacon was rejected as the future King of England.
Grand Master of Freemasonry, Colonel Joseph Frederick Wallet Des Barres (22 November 1721 — 27 October 1824 (or 24 October 1824)) was a cartographer who served in the Seven Years' War, in part, as the aide-de-camp to GeneralJames Wolfe.
He also created the monumental four volume Atlantic Neptune, which was the most important collection of maps, charts and views of North America published in the eighteenth century
In 1779 the locals gave the island the name "Oak Island".
What drew their attention to this island were the large umbrella shaped trees located there.
These trees towered over the native oak and pine and were probably mistakenly described as Oak Trees.
I believe that the true species of these trees are “Acacia” native to “Madagascar”!
Referring to my previous posts, this could be further connection to the Madagascar Pirate, Olivier Levasseur, known as La Buse (The Buzzard) and his treasure buried on Treasure Island at Oak Island?
Levesseur may have brought Acacia seedlings to plant at key apex points to act as back up to his Stone Markers, along with aiding sight triangulation for the Treasure Chamber.
La Buse also could have realized that it may be some time before he would safely returned for his treasure.
Olivier Levasseur might have believed with terrain changes, it would be useful to use visual markers, towering over the trees, to help identify Oak Island from the other 365 islands in Mahone Bay.
There are many stories as to how "Oak Island" got its name.
It was not the first island in Acadia called Oak Island.
That title went to the Island near New Minas, roughly 100 miles north of present day Oak Island.
“New Minas was founded in 1682 by Acadians from the Grand Pré area, the largest of the settlements known as Les Mines or Minas after the French copper mines explored at Cape d'Or at the entrance to the Minas Basin in the 1600s. As the Minas settlement grew, families moved westward up the Cornwallis River led by Pierre Terriot and founded a new settlement which came to be known to English surveyors as "New Minas".
The Acadians knew their settlement as St. Antoine. It was built beside a tidal island in the bend of the river, later known as Oak Island. They repeated the pattern of the Grand Pré settlement by connecting dykes to Oak Island to turn tidal marshland into productive farmland. The settlement grew to include a mill, chapel and burial ground at Oak Island.”
Today's Oak Island was first named Smith's Island in 1762.
"A large part of Oak Island was granted to the Monro, Lynch, Seacombe and Young families around the same time as the establishment of Chester. The first major group of settlers arrived in the Chester area from Massachusetts in 1761. The following year, Oak Island was officially surveyed and divided into 32 four-acre lots. In the early days of British settlement, the Island was known locally as "Smith's Island," after an early settler of the area named Edward Smith."
In 1778 Cartographer Joseph Frederick Wallet DesBarres renamed the Island "Gloucester Isle" possibly after Earl of Gloucester from William Shakespeare's play…King Lear
Robert Fitzroy, 1st Earl of Gloucester (before 1100 — 31 October 1147) was the son of King Henry I of England and like Sir Francis Bacon was rejected as the future King of England.
Grand Master of Freemasonry, Colonel Joseph Frederick Wallet Des Barres (22 November 1721 — 27 October 1824 (or 24 October 1824)) was a cartographer who served in the Seven Years' War, in part, as the aide-de-camp to GeneralJames Wolfe.
He also created the monumental four volume Atlantic Neptune, which was the most important collection of maps, charts and views of North America published in the eighteenth century
In 1779 the locals gave the island the name "Oak Island".
What drew their attention to this island were the large umbrella shaped trees located there.
These trees towered over the native oak and pine and were probably mistakenly described as Oak Trees.
I believe that the true species of these trees are “Acacia” native to “Madagascar”!
Referring to my previous posts, this could be further connection to the Madagascar Pirate, Olivier Levasseur, known as La Buse (The Buzzard) and his treasure buried on Treasure Island at Oak Island?
Levesseur may have brought Acacia seedlings to plant at key apex points to act as back up to his Stone Markers, along with aiding sight triangulation for the Treasure Chamber.
La Buse also could have realized that it may be some time before he would safely returned for his treasure.
Olivier Levasseur might have believed with terrain changes, it would be useful to use visual markers, towering over the trees, to help identify Oak Island from the other 365 islands in Mahone Bay.
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This is a leaf and fruit of an acacia.
This is a leaf and fruit of an oak.
Who is going to confuse these two trees?
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Who is going to confuse these two trees?...I Believe You Already Have!
There are many varieties of the "Acacia Tree".
They are a Deciduous Tree with broad leaves changing colors during the Autumn.
Leaves very similar to the Bur Oak native to "Oak Island".
Bur Oak Leaf
Acacia Leaf
The Acacia Tree in Autumn with their Oak like colored leaves
There are many varieties of the "Acacia Tree".
They are a Deciduous Tree with broad leaves changing colors during the Autumn.
Leaves very similar to the Bur Oak native to "Oak Island".
Bur Oak Leaf
Acacia Leaf
The Acacia Tree in Autumn with their Oak like colored leaves
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Bur oak is not native to Oak Island. In the Maritimes, it is only native to the lower St. John River valley, in particular the Grand Lake area. See the below range map taken from the University of Kentucky.
In addition, despite your claim that they are similar, the leaves of oak and acacia (regardless of which oak or acacia) look nothing alike. The oak leaf is simple, and the acacia is compound. Confusion would even be unlikely in the autumn. Oaks tend to turn brown, and acacia tend to turn yellow.
In addition, despite your claim that they are similar, the leaves of oak and acacia (regardless of which oak or acacia) look nothing alike. The oak leaf is simple, and the acacia is compound. Confusion would even be unlikely in the autumn. Oaks tend to turn brown, and acacia tend to turn yellow.
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Chestnut oak is not native to the Maritimes, and whatever shrub is in your bottom image looks absolutely nothing like acacia. Looks more like a hazel.
This is acacia:
It's a number of leaflets on a central stem. The following page offers a good description ---->https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-characteristics-of-acacia-trees
This is acacia:
It's a number of leaflets on a central stem. The following page offers a good description ---->https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-characteristics-of-acacia-trees
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Can't See The Forest...For The Trees?
There are over 800 species of the "Acacia Tree"...the leaf you have chosen is only one.
The Bur Oak was native to Oak Island and there are still species of this Tree on the Mainland.
Other common name(s): mossycup oak, blue oak Life expectancy: 200 to 300 years Mature height: Can grow up to 15 m (50’) tall Mature stem diameter: Up to 60 cm (24”) Shade tolerance: Intermediate Timber value(s): Used in cabinet-, boat- and barrel-making. Bur oak can also produce decorative wood veneers. Wildlife value(s): The acorns are the largest of any North American oak and are an important wildlife food; black bear sometimes tear off branches to get them. Other wildlife, such as deer and porcupine, eat the leaves, twigs and bark. TREE-VIA: Bur oak is one of the trees most likely to be found growing by itself, in a farmer’s field or floodplain. It is characteristic of forests in the United States. It was once common in the Saint John River valley of New Brunswick but now faces extirpation.
Oak Trees: Eastern North America, New England & Canadian Maritimes
Oak Trees of Eastern North America, New England, and
the Canadian Maritimes/Atlantic Canada
New England and Atlantic Canada is home to various beautiful oak tree species. With a little effort, one can learn to identify the difference among these by the leaf shapes.
1. White Oak
Quercus alba
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
White Oak TreeWhite oak trees can be distinguished from other New England oak trees by their very curvy large leaf lobes. There are usually 5-9 lobes1,2, but can be as many as 11 lobes3, and these lobes vary from deep to shallow2. The 7-9” leaves also lack hair and are usually pale to whitish on their bottom side3.
The tree can grow up to grow up to 80-100 feet tall1,2 with a rounded crown1, and 3.5 feet in diameter1. The light grey bark can be described as scaly1,3 with shallow fissures or furrows3.
The oblong acorns are 1 ¼” covered by a shallow cup with bumpy scales that extends over less than a third of the acorn.
White oaks grow in dry and damp forests, upland areas, valleys, riverbanks, hillsides, and in sandy soil 1,2,3 . I typically see white oaks growing in Massachusetts in the same forest as White Pines and Canada Hemlock. If you have had the pleasure of learning to identify white oaks in your area, please leave us a comment about where you see them growing and what other trees seem to grow alongside them as companions. I would also love to hear about any specimens you found to be exceptional.
2. Scarlet Oak
Quercus coccinea
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
The Scarlet Oak leaf is 3-7”1,2,3long with 7-9 lobes1 on each leaf. These leaves have pointy well defined lobes that are very deep. The lobes have more than one point or corner. Scarlet Oaks can be 40-80’ tall1,2,3 and 1-2’ in diameter3. The crown has a round shape, and the bark can be described as dark grey and scaly. The acorns are usually 1” in size and have a deep cup or cap with shiny scales1. An identifying characteristic of Scarlet oak acorns are the concentric rings that are present around the tip1.
Scarlet oaks grow in dry soils3 and on slopes and ridges1. I have seen them growing in the same forest as white oaks.
3. Black Oak
Quercus velutina
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
Black Oaks have a spreading shape and grow from 60’1 to 80’3 tall with a trunk diameter of 3-4’3 but can grow up to 100’ with a diameter of 5’3. The leaves are 4-10”3 with bristle tips and shallower lobes when compared to the scarlet oak. A distinguishing characteristic is its blackish outer bark contrasted with orange inner bark that is marked by deep long ridges1. The acorns are ¾” in size with a rounded shallow cup/cap that flattens out at the bottom. They grow in sandy, rocky and clay soils typically and can be found in hillsides and upland areas.
4. Pin Oak (aka. Swamp Oak2)
Quercus palustris
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
Pin Oaks usually reach heights of 601 to 80’2,3with a diameter for 2-3’3, but 110’3 is possible. The name Pin Oak is derived from the small dead branches that extend from the trunk that resemble pins3. Height: 60’(1), 70-80’ (2,3), up to 110’(3). Pin Oaks have a spreading crown with the lower branches sloping down toward the ground 2,3. The 3-7”1,2,3 leaves have hair on the bottom2 are have deep lobes that are spaced far apart. The lobes have been described as “bristle-tipped”2.
Pin Oaks have dark grey bark that is coarse and scaly. The acorns are 1/2” in size with a round shallow cap/cup. You can find Pin Oaks in wet locations along rivers and streams, but I have seen mature trees growing fine in a mulched parking lot island.
There are over 800 species of the "Acacia Tree"...the leaf you have chosen is only one.
The Bur Oak was native to Oak Island and there are still species of this Tree on the Mainland.
Other common name(s): mossycup oak, blue oak Life expectancy: 200 to 300 years Mature height: Can grow up to 15 m (50’) tall Mature stem diameter: Up to 60 cm (24”) Shade tolerance: Intermediate Timber value(s): Used in cabinet-, boat- and barrel-making. Bur oak can also produce decorative wood veneers. Wildlife value(s): The acorns are the largest of any North American oak and are an important wildlife food; black bear sometimes tear off branches to get them. Other wildlife, such as deer and porcupine, eat the leaves, twigs and bark. TREE-VIA: Bur oak is one of the trees most likely to be found growing by itself, in a farmer’s field or floodplain. It is characteristic of forests in the United States. It was once common in the Saint John River valley of New Brunswick but now faces extirpation.
Oak Trees: Eastern North America, New England & Canadian Maritimes
Oak Trees of Eastern North America, New England, and
the Canadian Maritimes/Atlantic Canada
New England and Atlantic Canada is home to various beautiful oak tree species. With a little effort, one can learn to identify the difference among these by the leaf shapes.
1. White Oak
Quercus alba
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
White Oak TreeWhite oak trees can be distinguished from other New England oak trees by their very curvy large leaf lobes. There are usually 5-9 lobes1,2, but can be as many as 11 lobes3, and these lobes vary from deep to shallow2. The 7-9” leaves also lack hair and are usually pale to whitish on their bottom side3.The tree can grow up to grow up to 80-100 feet tall1,2 with a rounded crown1, and 3.5 feet in diameter1. The light grey bark can be described as scaly1,3 with shallow fissures or furrows3.
The oblong acorns are 1 ¼” covered by a shallow cup with bumpy scales that extends over less than a third of the acorn.
White oaks grow in dry and damp forests, upland areas, valleys, riverbanks, hillsides, and in sandy soil 1,2,3 . I typically see white oaks growing in Massachusetts in the same forest as White Pines and Canada Hemlock. If you have had the pleasure of learning to identify white oaks in your area, please leave us a comment about where you see them growing and what other trees seem to grow alongside them as companions. I would also love to hear about any specimens you found to be exceptional.
2. Scarlet Oak
Quercus coccinea
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
The Scarlet Oak leaf is 3-7”1,2,3long with 7-9 lobes1 on each leaf. These leaves have pointy well defined lobes that are very deep. The lobes have more than one point or corner. Scarlet Oaks can be 40-80’ tall1,2,3 and 1-2’ in diameter3. The crown has a round shape, and the bark can be described as dark grey and scaly. The acorns are usually 1” in size and have a deep cup or cap with shiny scales1. An identifying characteristic of Scarlet oak acorns are the concentric rings that are present around the tip1.
Scarlet oaks grow in dry soils3 and on slopes and ridges1. I have seen them growing in the same forest as white oaks.
3. Black Oak
Quercus velutina
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
Black Oaks have a spreading shape and grow from 60’1 to 80’3 tall with a trunk diameter of 3-4’3 but can grow up to 100’ with a diameter of 5’3. The leaves are 4-10”3 with bristle tips and shallower lobes when compared to the scarlet oak. A distinguishing characteristic is its blackish outer bark contrasted with orange inner bark that is marked by deep long ridges1. The acorns are ¾” in size with a rounded shallow cup/cap that flattens out at the bottom. They grow in sandy, rocky and clay soils typically and can be found in hillsides and upland areas.
4. Pin Oak (aka. Swamp Oak2)
Quercus palustris
Beech Family (Fagaceae)
Pin Oaks usually reach heights of 601 to 80’2,3with a diameter for 2-3’3, but 110’3 is possible. The name Pin Oak is derived from the small dead branches that extend from the trunk that resemble pins3. Height: 60’(1), 70-80’ (2,3), up to 110’(3). Pin Oaks have a spreading crown with the lower branches sloping down toward the ground 2,3. The 3-7”1,2,3 leaves have hair on the bottom2 are have deep lobes that are spaced far apart. The lobes have been described as “bristle-tipped”2.
Pin Oaks have dark grey bark that is coarse and scaly. The acorns are 1/2” in size with a round shallow cap/cup. You can find Pin Oaks in wet locations along rivers and streams, but I have seen mature trees growing fine in a mulched parking lot island.
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