Al D
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Not true.....the Romans invented concrete that could set under water......I will leave the rest of the errors in your post for another member to respond.
Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!
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May We Cement...Our Differences?
The technical knowledge for making hydraulic cement was formalized by French and British engineers in the 18th century.
There is a difference between "Concrete" and "Cement"!
The technical knowledge for making hydraulic cement was formalized by French and British engineers in the 18th century.
There is a difference between "Concrete" and "Cement"!
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true, there is a difference between concrete and cement, however....you stated Hydraulic lime
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Again......not true, the Romans were making it and using it in 65 BC
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This seems to me to be a nonsensical question, do you know the difference?
concrete is made using cement, cement on its own is of little value........because it is what makes concrete....concrete.
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^^ That. Concrete is a mix using cement (lime & variuous silicates - the Romans liked volcanic ash) to bind sand and and gravel/crushed stone ("aggregate") together. The Romans built with concrete formed using their version of Hydraulic Cement. The harbor of Caesarea is a 2,000 year old and still existing example of their concrete work. Herod the Great had it used it all over the (then) known world.
Nothing to do with Templars or Masons at that time.
Nothing to do with Templars or Masons at that time.
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The problem with your statements is:
a) The templars never crossed the Atlantic
b) No concrete vault has ever been found on hoax island
c) The lead cross was a plant by the current purveyors of the oak island hoax
Fictional stories all....
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How Can One Ignore...What I Have Presented Numerous Times!
Go into this Thread and read my Theory...or better yet read it below...Thanks for asking!
The (Untold) Story of The Oak Island Money Pit
The Oak Island Money Pit was constructed by the “Powers That Be” who were and still to this day, The Secret Force that controls the course of mankind on earth.
This organization is known as - The Freemasons.
The Story of The Oak Island Money Pit begins in the 1760’s
It was conceived by a number of Britains’ high ranking Naval Officers, who were Masonic Degree Members of the Freemasons and belonging to the Premier Grand Lodge of England.
These members were:
Washington Shirley, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Earl Ferrers — Vice Admiral - Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge — Premier Grand Lodge of England
George Anson, Baron Anson — Admiral of the Fleet
George Keppel, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Earl of Albemarle - Commander-In-Chief
Augustus Keppel, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Viscount Keppel — Rear Admiral — Brother to George Keppel
William Keppel — Lieutenant-General — Brother to George Keppel
George Pocock — Admiral — Commander of the Invasion of Havana
and
Benjamin Franklin — First Grand Master of Pennsylvania who met in 1760 with the Grand Master of England to discuss their plan.
These Masons were members of the Whig Party opposed to the next successor to the throne, the unstable King George III.
Their plot originated after King George III’s continued destruction of their Whig’s political power and his redirection of this power to the Tory Party.
These Freemason feared for the continuance of their organization during the Seven Years’ War, with the imminent invasion of England by the joint forces of France and Spain.
Spain outlawed all forms of secret organizations, including the Freemasons.
The Masons planned redirecting all their fortunes to the “New World” (North America), to enable the transfer of the Masonic organization, if and when these fears materialized.
Their military plan entailed the capture of Havana in 1762.
Havana’s Morro Castle and the Jesuit's Cathedral were the Fort Knox of Spain, holding the plunder of South and Central America’s treasure prior to its shipping to Spain.
The invasion of Havana was under the command of George Keppel, with Admiral George Pocock and Keppel’s two brothers Augustus and William Keppel, commanding the actual attack.
They were successful with the capture of Havana and Fort Morro and its unprecedented amount of treasure.
With the aid of the Jesuits they captured the Jesuit`s Cathedral`s mass fortune transferred there from the Americas.
They also captured a number of the Spanish Fleet, which were needed to accomplish their plan.
Accordingly, Admiral Pocock returned to England with the main English fleet carrying a portion of the treasure, while Augustus and William Keppel along with their crew and Masonic engineers all sworn to secrecy, manned the Spanish Galleons and the British Man of War Vessels.
This treasure was diverted to a small island off the coast of New England and Nova Scotia, now called Oak Island.
At Oak Island, the treasure was buried based on the Masonic “Royal Arch” (Enoch’s Temple) doctrine, consisting of nine arches going down nine levels by way of the main shaft (The Money Pit) which was then dug further down to the bedrock.
From the ninth level another circular tunnel was constructed which ran back up to a point above the known water level, roughly 20 feet underground and then towards the North/West end of the island.
This tunnel stopped roughly 50 feet out under the ocean where an enormous cavern was built to hold the treasure.
The treasure was carted down the main shaft and placed up into this cavern.
To conceal their plot they had the Spanish ships and some of the British ships dismantled with all the wooden parts not used in the construction of the shaft, tunnels, and cavern, burnt and all the metal parts, canons, anchors, and bolts placed at the bottom of the main shaft.
A Flood Tunnel was built out to the ocean to booby trap any treasure seekers attempts to follow down the main shaft.
A large stone was placed above the air lock (8[SUP]th[/SUP] level) as bait to activate the flooding.
This stone had strange engravings on it to entice any unworthy treasure seekers to pause and take the bait (stone) away for deciphering, thus allowing time for the tunnels and main shaft to fill with water and be destroyed forever.
The Masons could access the Treasure Cavern under the ocean by digging down to its entrance from where they triangulated a set Marker on the shore to be.
Once the treasure was secured in the cavern and all the evidence was hidden from the island, it was documented that the Keppels sailed back to England with a few ships and a small portion of the treasure.
They claimed that the remainder of the fleet had sunk in a hurricane on route.
The Masons left several Marker Stones on the island to relocate the treasure.
1 large triangle or more precisely a crude Sextant
Many drilled holed Marker Stones
1 large Marker Stone Cross
These combined Marker Stones from the Freemason’s Star Map are used to cross triangulate to locate the entrances to where the Treasure Cavern and Sir Francis Bacon’s Tomb are located.
Is the treasure still in this cavern?
I believe it was removed shortly after the American Revolution.
One of the three original discoverers of the Money Pit was Daniel McGinnis, who stated he was drawn to the island when he noticed strange lights appearing on the island just prior to his discovery.
These lights were made by the Freemasons when they returned for their treasure.
This Masonic party was headed up by George Washington, President of the United States — acting Grand Master of the Washington DC Masons.
The Treasure’s vast fortune was used to further the power of the Freemasons in their New World and accomplishing Bacon’s dream of a New Acadia.
Sir Francis Bacon, along with his original and unpublished Manuscripts, are resting in his Tomb, located between Nolan’s Cross and the Money Pit, watched over by a statue of the Knights Templar.
Go into this Thread and read my Theory...or better yet read it below...Thanks for asking!
The (Untold) Story of The Oak Island Money Pit
The Oak Island Money Pit was constructed by the “Powers That Be” who were and still to this day, The Secret Force that controls the course of mankind on earth.
This organization is known as - The Freemasons.
The Story of The Oak Island Money Pit begins in the 1760’s
It was conceived by a number of Britains’ high ranking Naval Officers, who were Masonic Degree Members of the Freemasons and belonging to the Premier Grand Lodge of England.
These members were:
Washington Shirley, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Earl Ferrers — Vice Admiral - Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge — Premier Grand Lodge of England
George Anson, Baron Anson — Admiral of the Fleet
George Keppel, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Earl of Albemarle - Commander-In-Chief
Augustus Keppel, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Viscount Keppel — Rear Admiral — Brother to George Keppel
William Keppel — Lieutenant-General — Brother to George Keppel
George Pocock — Admiral — Commander of the Invasion of Havana
and
Benjamin Franklin — First Grand Master of Pennsylvania who met in 1760 with the Grand Master of England to discuss their plan.
These Masons were members of the Whig Party opposed to the next successor to the throne, the unstable King George III.
Their plot originated after King George III’s continued destruction of their Whig’s political power and his redirection of this power to the Tory Party.
These Freemason feared for the continuance of their organization during the Seven Years’ War, with the imminent invasion of England by the joint forces of France and Spain.
Spain outlawed all forms of secret organizations, including the Freemasons.
The Masons planned redirecting all their fortunes to the “New World” (North America), to enable the transfer of the Masonic organization, if and when these fears materialized.
Their military plan entailed the capture of Havana in 1762.
Havana’s Morro Castle and the Jesuit's Cathedral were the Fort Knox of Spain, holding the plunder of South and Central America’s treasure prior to its shipping to Spain.
The invasion of Havana was under the command of George Keppel, with Admiral George Pocock and Keppel’s two brothers Augustus and William Keppel, commanding the actual attack.
They were successful with the capture of Havana and Fort Morro and its unprecedented amount of treasure.
With the aid of the Jesuits they captured the Jesuit`s Cathedral`s mass fortune transferred there from the Americas.
They also captured a number of the Spanish Fleet, which were needed to accomplish their plan.
Accordingly, Admiral Pocock returned to England with the main English fleet carrying a portion of the treasure, while Augustus and William Keppel along with their crew and Masonic engineers all sworn to secrecy, manned the Spanish Galleons and the British Man of War Vessels.
This treasure was diverted to a small island off the coast of New England and Nova Scotia, now called Oak Island.
At Oak Island, the treasure was buried based on the Masonic “Royal Arch” (Enoch’s Temple) doctrine, consisting of nine arches going down nine levels by way of the main shaft (The Money Pit) which was then dug further down to the bedrock.
From the ninth level another circular tunnel was constructed which ran back up to a point above the known water level, roughly 20 feet underground and then towards the North/West end of the island.
This tunnel stopped roughly 50 feet out under the ocean where an enormous cavern was built to hold the treasure.
The treasure was carted down the main shaft and placed up into this cavern.
To conceal their plot they had the Spanish ships and some of the British ships dismantled with all the wooden parts not used in the construction of the shaft, tunnels, and cavern, burnt and all the metal parts, canons, anchors, and bolts placed at the bottom of the main shaft.
A Flood Tunnel was built out to the ocean to booby trap any treasure seekers attempts to follow down the main shaft.
A large stone was placed above the air lock (8[SUP]th[/SUP] level) as bait to activate the flooding.
This stone had strange engravings on it to entice any unworthy treasure seekers to pause and take the bait (stone) away for deciphering, thus allowing time for the tunnels and main shaft to fill with water and be destroyed forever.
The Masons could access the Treasure Cavern under the ocean by digging down to its entrance from where they triangulated a set Marker on the shore to be.
Once the treasure was secured in the cavern and all the evidence was hidden from the island, it was documented that the Keppels sailed back to England with a few ships and a small portion of the treasure.
They claimed that the remainder of the fleet had sunk in a hurricane on route.
The Masons left several Marker Stones on the island to relocate the treasure.
1 large triangle or more precisely a crude Sextant
Many drilled holed Marker Stones
1 large Marker Stone Cross
These combined Marker Stones from the Freemason’s Star Map are used to cross triangulate to locate the entrances to where the Treasure Cavern and Sir Francis Bacon’s Tomb are located.
Is the treasure still in this cavern?
I believe it was removed shortly after the American Revolution.
One of the three original discoverers of the Money Pit was Daniel McGinnis, who stated he was drawn to the island when he noticed strange lights appearing on the island just prior to his discovery.
These lights were made by the Freemasons when they returned for their treasure.
This Masonic party was headed up by George Washington, President of the United States — acting Grand Master of the Washington DC Masons.
The Treasure’s vast fortune was used to further the power of the Freemasons in their New World and accomplishing Bacon’s dream of a New Acadia.
Sir Francis Bacon, along with his original and unpublished Manuscripts, are resting in his Tomb, located between Nolan’s Cross and the Money Pit, watched over by a statue of the Knights Templar.
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There Is A Difference Between Cement And Concrete!
There is a difference between Concrete and Cement.
[FONT="]Although the terms concrete and cement are often used interchangeably in our culture, they are not the same. Cement is one small component of concrete, whereas concrete is a building material that has become integral to our culture. Knowing the difference between cement and concrete can help you better understand one of the primary building materials in use around you every day.[/FONT]
How did ancient Romans make concrete?
The Romans made concrete by mixing lime and volcanic rock. For underwater structures, lime and volcanic ash were mixed to form mortar, and this mortar and volcanic tuff were packed into wooden forms. The seawater instantly triggered a hot chemical reaction.
600 BC – Rome: Although the Ancient Romans weren't the first to create concrete, they were first to utilize this material widespread. By 200 BC, the Romans successfully implemented the use of concrete in the majority of their construction. They used a mixture of volcanic ash, lime, and seawater to form the mix.
Who made cement?
These ingredients, when heated at high temperatures form a rock-like substance that is ground into the fine powder that we commonly think of as cement. Bricklayer Joseph Aspdin of Leeds, England first made portland cement early in the 19th century by burning powdered limestone and clay in his kitchen stove.
There is a difference between Concrete and Cement.
[FONT="]Although the terms concrete and cement are often used interchangeably in our culture, they are not the same. Cement is one small component of concrete, whereas concrete is a building material that has become integral to our culture. Knowing the difference between cement and concrete can help you better understand one of the primary building materials in use around you every day.[/FONT]
How did ancient Romans make concrete?
The Romans made concrete by mixing lime and volcanic rock. For underwater structures, lime and volcanic ash were mixed to form mortar, and this mortar and volcanic tuff were packed into wooden forms. The seawater instantly triggered a hot chemical reaction.
600 BC – Rome: Although the Ancient Romans weren't the first to create concrete, they were first to utilize this material widespread. By 200 BC, the Romans successfully implemented the use of concrete in the majority of their construction. They used a mixture of volcanic ash, lime, and seawater to form the mix.
Who made cement?
These ingredients, when heated at high temperatures form a rock-like substance that is ground into the fine powder that we commonly think of as cement. Bricklayer Joseph Aspdin of Leeds, England first made portland cement early in the 19th century by burning powdered limestone and clay in his kitchen stove.
Al D
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Well, where to start.........first, the Whig party members were Anti-Masons, so no Freemason would have been a member of the Whig party, and just to be clear on this point, no Whig party member would have been a Freemason.
second.....there is no evidence that George Anson was a Freemason.
third.....there has been nothing found on hoax island that supports your theory, there are no Masonic constellations, no Masonic treasure and no one is head of the Freemasons, any mason will tell you that.
do some real research......look up the anti-Masonic movement.
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Al D
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Again, this is not true.
your attempt to deflect by twisting your post around and posting non relevant material will not work.
Al D
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you just learned this an hour ago and now you act as if you are an expert, when you did not even know that it was the Romans who invented cement for the making of concrete....smfh
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I always thought it was invented here in my home town..
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I will try to clear up your confusion “Robot”
take note....Portland cement was developed from Hydraulic lime.
this means that Hydraulic lime existed before Portland cement, and by extension, before Joseph developed his product.
take note....Portland cement was developed from Hydraulic lime.
this means that Hydraulic lime existed before Portland cement, and by extension, before Joseph developed his product.
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This fantasy theory has been mentioned by others and includes the paintings of Poussin, Teniers, and of course the famous Shugborough folly, all connected by apophenia and nothing else.
What else comprised this fabulous Freemason/Templar treasure in addition to Bacon's body and his manuscripts?
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