New treasure theory?

[ECS]

... the Journals of Sir Henry Sinclair are real and they span over 450 years or about 14 generations that have protected the Knight's Templar Treasures.
Diana Muir found them, translated them and is having them published slowly actually too slow for me...

The "Journals" that Diana Jean Muir allegedly found were stated to be COPIES thought to be from an earlier work.
There exists NO provenance for the trunk in which the copies and lambskin map were found, nor is there provenance for these journal copies and map.
There is NO proof that any "ORIGINAL" Journals of Prince Henry Sinclair ever existed, and there is that suspicion with the reference of "Prince" that these journals are a fabricated work derived from the Zeno fictional voyage that mentions "Prince Zichmni", not Sinclair.
As with far too many of these self published "history changing discovery" books, Muir has NEVER presented these journal copies or lambskin map to reputable academic historians for verification of authenticity.
Muir did show them to Scott Wolter, even with his less than credible reputation, hedged around claiming that they were legitimate Sinclair journals.
Joining many claimed Sinclair descendants before her, Muir perpetuates this fantasy voyage that has NO documented support beyond these revisionist pseudo pulp pages published for profit.
*NOTE* "St Clair of Rosslyn testified against the Templars at their trial in Edinburgh in 1309" -
"ROSSLYN AND THE GRAIL" -Mark Oxbrow & Ian Robertson
The Sinclair family were NOT Templars.

 

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[ECS]

Sir Henry Sinclair was the first to bury treasure on Oak Island not to recover treasure. He had 200 Knight's Templar with him...

It is highly unlikely and questionable that any Templar, much less 200, would follow any Sinclair after the 1309 testimony at their Edinburgh of St Clair of Rosslyn, as the myth of 300 Templar cavalry led by Lord Sinclair of Rosslyn at Bannockburn.
Real history documents this charge was the SCOTS CAVALRY led by Sir Robert de Keth, and there is no mention of a Sinclair at Bannockburn.

 

[sailaway]

This history is not a definitive history of the Order of the Temple, it is a the history of the Order seen through the Scottish Archive of the Temple, many of the facts you are about to read are not available in many of the modern histories that have been written recently.
1398. Earl Henry Sinclair voyage from Orkney to Nova Scotia using Templar Knowledge and ships.He is buried as the Master of the Temple.
https://www.scalan.co.uk/templarsinscotland.htm

Notice He used Templar knowledge and ships to reach Nova Scotia. How did the Templar have knowledge of Canada if they had not already been there?
How did it end up in the journals of the Scottish Temple if it was not named that already? or is it as the disclaimer states as written recently?

 

[ECS]

It ended up in the journals of Scottish Temple because of many statements made by the teacher of Prince Charles Edward Stuart, GRAND ORATOR of the MASONIC LODGE, Andrew Michael Ramsey, including "Every Mason is a Knight Templar", and in 1737, "Crusaders became Knights Templar and the descent was grafted onto Freemasonry".

Now from 1736-1737 William St Clair was the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland, but that does not prove that Henry Sinclair on the 1300's was a Prince, Templar, or had Templar knowledge and ships to sail to Oak Island or Nova Scotia, and "is not a definitive history of the Order of the Temple".
*NOTE* "not a definitive history" encompasses myths and legends with a tall tale or two.
The origin of this pseudo Sinclair began with the aforementioned Ramsey, was furtherd by Johann Reinhold Forster in 1786 when he indemnified "Prince Zichmni" as "Prince Henry Sinclair", in 1875 Richard Henry Major translated the Zeno text and replaced Zichmni with Sinclair, and in 1892, descendant Thomas Sinclair claimed his ancestor discovered America based only the Sinclair name appearing in Major's work.
Until Muir's self published and self translated "THE LOST TEMPLAR JOURNALS OF PRINCE HENRY SINCLAIR, Book 1" there was NO mention of of any journals by Henry Sinclair, nor ever in another claimed descendent, Andrew Sinclair, in his 1992 book, "THE SWORD AND THE GRAIL".

 

[ECS]

Those are land markers made by the Knight's Templar when they were in the desert Southwest in the 13th and 14th centuries.

Means? How did the Templars get to the Southwest?
Motive? Why would they even considering traveling to the unknown to Europeans American Southwest in the 13th & 14th Century?
Opportunity? Who or what provided the impetus to make this journey to this land that was an unknown to the Europeans of that time?

 

[franklin]

trans-atlantic railroad? You can't figure that out?

 

[ECS]

As usual, a nonsense reply to a legitimate question concerning the Templars meads, motive and opportunity for them to travel to the American southwest on the 13th & 14th centuries.

 

[tinpan]

Hi Accounts about sailing a broad hull shallow keel sailing ships in 12 & 13 centurys are keep at the biggest surviving record from the period . Public Records , Office of Exchequer Pell Office Westminister , Somerset House .
in the UK . Certainly do not back up any theory of such trips across the ocean . TP

 

[tinpan]

Hi Lamb Skin Map ?? Sheep were not introduced into Scotland until 1740 AD .Fact TP

 

[ECS]

.... the Journals of Sir Henry Sinclair are real and they span over 450 years or about 14 generations that have protected the Knight's Templar Treasures.
Diana Muir found them, translated them and is having them published slowly actually too slow for me.
I could read them all in one day but it is going to take years to get them all.

The only person that Muir had shown these "alleged" journals to was Scott Wolter, not the most reputable authority, who stated that they were NOT originals but copies, possibly derived from an earlier work.
Diana Jean Muir has NEVER shown or submitted these "journal copies" for examination or review for authenticity of content to a legitimate historian, society, or organization such as the Smithsonian.
Instead, as you noted, she is self publishing these "grounding breaking journals" one by one as she "translates" them without academic review for accuracy.
The statement made, Franklin, that the journals are "real" is based on what?
Have you, like Wolter, seen these journal "copies"?
It has been established many times over that Henry Sinclair was not a "Prince" or "Templar" as Muir's journal title claims, and his name was never spelled "Zichmni" in the Zeno narrative, and as with other claimed descendants of Henry Sinclair before Muir, like Thomas Sinclair and Andrew Sinclair, just another perpetuation of the Sinclair myth of a voyage to America before Columbus.
Without the provenance of these "found" journal copies, or legitimate credible examination by true historian organization academics, there exists no proof that these journals are "real" as you have stated.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Hi Lamb Skin Map ?? Sheep were not introduced into Scotland until 1740 AD .Fact TP

Are you sure about that? What did the Scots use to make their wool kilt's out of? From a 12th century Aberdeen manuscript (bestiary).

 

[ECS]

Scotland had sheep since the Neolithic bronze age, with the Soay Sheep, and breeds in the Iron age- Shetland, Ronaldsay, and the now extinct Dunface. The Cheviot was introduced in the 13th century, and many other breeds followed and in the 1740's, modern sheep husbandry was introduced in Scotland.

 

[ECS]

Lamb Skin Map ? ...

As with the copies of the alleged Sinclair journals, Diana Jean Muir had only shown the ink drawn lambskin map to Scott Wolter, who concluded that it was an "original" ink drawn map on lambskin, NOT that it was an original map made by Templars and used by Henry Sinclair.
There were only four breeds of sheep available in Scotland for making a lambskin map during this time- Soay, Ronaldsay, Shetland, and Dunface- AND possibly the Cheviot which was introduced to Scotland in the 13th century.
A DNA analysis of the lambskin and chemical analysis of the ink used to make this map would prove if this was original to the Sinclair period as stated by Muir, or not.
Considering that Muir's translations of these alleged journals are made from copies from an unknown source lacking provenance, without an analysis of the lambskin map makes her entire work suspect.

 

[tinpan]

Are you sure about that? What did the Scots use to make their wool kilt's out of? From a 12th century Aberdeen manuscript (bestiary).

Hi , Putting up part of an English ecelesiastical image of creation taken from a 12 century has what to do with sheep in Scotland ? The word lamb and sheep is mentioned a lot in different Christian Documents does that make them Scottish. The history of Kilt ? 12 and 13 Century Agriculture Substainibility in Scottish was sheep ? T'P

 

[franklin]

As with the copies of the alleged Sinclair journals, Diana Jean Muir had only shown the ink drawn lambskin map to Scott Wolter, who concluded that it was an "original" ink drawn map on lambskin, NOT that it was an original map made by Templars and used by Henry Sinclair.
There were only four breeds of sheep available in Scotland for making a lambskin map during this time- Soay, Ronaldsay, Shetland, and Dunface- AND possibly the Cheviot which was introduced to Scotland in the 13th century.
A DNA analysis of the lambskin and chemical analysis of the ink used to make this map would prove if this was original to the Sinclair period as stated by Muir, or not.
Considering that Muir's translations of these alleged journals are made from copies from an unknown source lacking provenance, without an analysis of the lambskin map makes her entire work suspect.

OK Enough. The Knight's Templar that made the map was Antonio Zeno. Where was he from Italy. They had Knight Templars from Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, Islands in the Mediterranean. They even had one navigator from China. You figure out where the Lambskin came from?

 

[ECS]

Antonio Zeno, nor anyone in his family were Knights Templars, nor were they Crusaders or fought the Saracens on the Holy Land.
The only connection the Venetian Zeno family had to the Crusades was that they provided transportation by ship from Venice to the Holy Land for pilgrims and Crusaders for profit.
The Knights Templar had their own fleet of flat bottom galleys that sailed the Mediterranean to the Holy Land.
The Zeno voyage story and the maps have been established as a fraudulent hoax without any mention of Templars or Sinclair in that fabricated tale, it appears that it was the basic source material of Diana Jean Muir's "found" Sinclair journals and lambskin map.
Without proper legitimate review and examination of these alleged journal "copies" and the ink drawn lambskin map by professional historians, which Muir has avoided, how can anyone accept that these journals are not another perpetuated hoax in a long line of Sinclair fabricated stories.

 

[franklin]

If Sir Henry Sinclair had not saved his father's life up in the Northern Atlantic what you state would be the truth. But believe as you will but one thing please do not make repetitions of the same statements over and over ten thousand times.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Hi , Putting up part of an English ecelesiastical image of creation taken from a 12 century has what to do with sheep in Scotland ? The word lamb and sheep is mentioned a lot in different Christian Documents does that make them Scottish. The history of Kilt ? 12 and 13 Century Agriculture Substainibility in Scottish was sheep ? T'P

"Aberdeen" is in Scotland and is the home and source of the manuscript that is from. The Norse would have introduced domesticated sheep to Scotland in the 8th and 9th century (Shetland Isles notably). I guarantee sheep predated c.1740 in Scotland. The Soay breed descended from a feral sheep first domesticated around 3,000 to 4,000BC in and around Scotland, in fact.


But what it has to do with Oak Island in Nova Scotia I am at a loss to explain.

 

[sailaway]

sea going travelers

ECS wrote in post #206: What really needs to be "checked out" is if the Templars had means, motive, and opportunity to travel to New Mexico before the Spanish explorers and before it became the Spanish Colonial southwest before accepting that this stone pillar with an alleged headstone is Templar.

The Tucson Artifacts' are verified.
https://dnaconsultants.com/tucson-a...olumbian-roman-colony-verified-by-archeology/
Native Americans of the area say that a ship with white sails sailed into the desert and became stranded when the inland sea dried up. Modern stories claim it to be a Viking ship, however I have my doubts about it being Viking but more likely a Eastern Mediterranean Ship. The reason I think this is my own DNA that has been tested. My Cherokee blood line contains the links back to Egypt, Israel and other parts of the East Mediterranean … No such mix could result from post-1492 European gene flow into the Cherokee Nation.
https://dnaconsultants.com/cherokee-unlike-other-indians/
Your own Masonic teachings talk about a Mason that is not a Mason and I fit that story by bloodline.

1. In Julius Caesar’s own words in the third book of the Bello Gallico, is his description of the ships used by the coastal Celts that very nearly defeated his navy of triremes and biremes in 55 BC. He states, eloquently, that the construction of those sail powered ships were not bound to the shorelines, but were able to sail “upon the vast, open sea” by means of beaten hide sails, even to his consternation, into the wind.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

An unsigned article on a DNA Consultants website is the verification source? Oooohhh K.

But I do not doubt there was pre-Columbus contact between Norse and Nations.


PS - and also the publisher of the books/pamphlets they sell on the "artifacts" written by Donald Yates. No surprise there.