New site?...with different clue versions?

[deducer]

Not ambiguous.......simply a title given to something seen and understood by the map maker as being relevant to the larger purpose of the task at hand.

Direct Translation: from https://www.spanishdict.com/translate/El Caballo de Santa Fe

El .........the
Caballo ........horse (correct spelling)
de ........from, of
Santa ....... holy, saint
Fe ....... faith

But why do the words "SANTA FE" also appear on the side of the H/P stone ?
And in between the "trail ?" and the "RIO" shown on the horse side of the stone, where both begin (or end)......also on the same side. While some may consider this a reference to the city of Santa Fe, NM., they are probably unaware of the existence of another "Santa Fe".....in Mexico City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_de_Mexico_(pueblo_hospital)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasco_de_Quiroga
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe,_Mexico_City

Yet, the Santa Fe in Mexico isn't in the province of Sonora, is it?

And another thing to consider- regarding the misspelling of "Cobollo," when I was digging through Al Reser's notes at Greg's, I found an interesting tidbit: "Ollo" was Spanish slang for a hole in the ground.

Did they intend to suggest there's a "hole" in the horse?

Fits right in with the implications of the Greek accents on the A's in SANTAFE, doesn't it?

As far as what sort of horse we're dealing with, and also a clue as to how SANTAFE is to be found.

 

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[wrmickel1]

Ohhh yeah, Tell Dave And Potbelly And Somehiker they should look over my shoulder at the back of my shoppe, All from AZ and it’s been a great year at the Shoppe.



Babymick1

 

[azdave35]

Ohhh yeah, Tell Dave And Potbelly And Somehiker they should look over my shoulder at the back of my shoppe, All from AZ and it’s been a great year at the Shoppe.

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Babymick1

nice pics...what site did you download them from?

 

[wrmickel1]

nice pics...what site did you download them from?

Thats me in back of the Shoppe at the Worlds largest Buffalo tourist Trap.

It makes me Money,

Babymick1

 

[Oroblanco]

Babymick1 wrote

Well I got about 70 pounds of Amethyst a little to much to haul in there. But Dave told me who did. And 2 by 4’s don’t reflect back. And I’m about Finnish busting up the 325 pounds of ore I brought home with me in February. I never took Oro’s advice and saved any of the ore. I’ll post a picture of it and boy you and Dave will be upset and call me more names.

Babymick1

Hey it is your loss, no skin off my hindparts. Here is one example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Coppe...555618?hash=item215fc34d62:g:TJMAAOSwlmxdPQbg

 

[wrmickel1]

nice pics...what site did you download them from?

This is my Shop were I polish and clean before taking them to the shoppe,

 

[wrmickel1]

Now I’m home, about Two Weeks left of Tourist Season and I’m Free.



In North Dakota we got luxuries, Water grass and a garden.

babymick1

 

[somehiker]

Yet, the Santa Fe in Mexico isn't in the province of Sonora, is it?

And another thing to consider- regarding the misspelling of "Cobollo," when I was digging through Al Reser's notes at Greg's, I found an interesting tidbit: "Ollo" was Spanish slang for a hole in the ground.

Did they intend to suggest there's a "hole" in the horse?

Fits right in with the implications of the Greek accents on the A's in SANTAFE, doesn't it?

As far as what sort of horse we're dealing with, and also a clue as to how SANTAFE is to be found.

What makes you think it has to be in Sonora.....the "SONORA" and "MEX", where the upper line wraps slightly around the stone to Sonora and the lower line toward the "M" on the priest side of the H/P stone ?
Sonora wasn't officially adopted for the name of the province until 1648.
The first recorded use of the name by the Spanish was by Coronado, who called one of the areas he passed through "Valle de la Sonora". No one really knows for sure where the name came from, but it may have come from the Opata word "sonotl", which means corn leaf. Opata is one of the dialects within the Uto-Aztecan language group, and likely spoken by the map maker, with Spanish as his second language.
MEX is an abbreviation obviously. But for what.....Mexico, Mexican or Mexica, also a Uto-Aztecan based word ?
Since it appears on this cliff face, identical to the way it has been lightly carved into the stone and opposite to the priest, and is directly above the face in the photo following, I am inclined believe "MEX" ica.......esp considering that which is recognizable from other sources in the third crop.

 

[somehiker]

That one is interesting? Wayne, on the PH stone, what is the significance in your opinion of the small heart directly below the cross that the priest is holding out, the one farther down with the 4 is earth , but what is the little, trail marker (path marker small heart?)

In the past, I have given my opinion that the number sequence beginning with "1" in front of the priest's face and ending with the "4" within the small heart, to be the order in which the lines 1-4 of the "instructions" given by the priest are to be followed. That the sequence as shown is actually 1-3-2-4 .

It's obvious IMO, that the rectangle-cross represents the trail stones, with the lower part having the "3".
Question is, why does the upper part not just as prominently feature a "2" ?

To my way of thinking the small curved sausage-like symbols represent the two sections of trail depicted on the trail stones, and that the upper TS ( with the cross on it's reverse side) needs to be studied diligently, prior to attempting that section of trail .

If by "path marker small heart" you mean the "donut" symbol, it/both might represent the Spanish word "BUSCA", as used in the instructions......as in wide open eye perhaps ? The small heart, would then be simply a depiction of the red stone heart, and the "4" a reference to the 4th instruction .

 

[wrmickel1]

Babymick1 wrote


Hey it is your loss, no skin off my hindparts. Here is one example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Coppe...555618?hash=item215fc34d62:g:TJMAAOSwlmxdPQbg

Oro

This one is a beautiful beast, Notice the Rose Quarts on the bottom and little peak a boo Roses though out the piece.
This is a high dollar piece. Museum Grade maybe right next to the Stone Maps, Maybe!

babymick1




I call this piece the Desert Rose!

 

[azdave35]

Oro

This one is a beautiful beast, Notice the Rose Quarts on the bottom and little peak a boo Roses though out the piece.
This is a high dollar piece. Museum Grade maybe right next to the Stone Maps, Maybe!

babymick1


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I call this piece the Desert Rose!

well guys...i guess we can cross the lost adams off the list..looks like mick the magnificent has located it

 

[gollum]

Museum Grade Gold Painted Lead Nugget!

Mike

 

[azdave35]

Museum Grade Gold Painted Lead Nugget!

Mike

they should match the gold painted 2x4's nicely

 

[somehiker]

Yet, the Santa Fe in Mexico isn't in the province of Sonora, is it?

And another thing to consider- regarding the misspelling of "Cobollo," when I was digging through Al Reser's notes at Greg's, I found an interesting tidbit: "Ollo" was Spanish slang for a hole in the ground.

Did they intend to suggest there's a "hole" in the horse?

Fits right in with the implications of the Greek accents on the A's in SANTAFE, doesn't it?

As far as what sort of horse we're dealing with, and also a clue as to how SANTAFE is to be found.

That there is a hole.....and curved cut on the body of the Horse of Santafe certainly suggests the same should be present on the physical entity. The word above the hole, although made indistinct....possibly by erosion or wear over time.....is generally thought to be "PEDRO", and a reference to Pedro Peralta. But with a closer look, the "O" may actually be "A" . Given the carver's other spelling mistakes, wrong or even missing letters, I suspect the intended word was PIEDRA (rock/stone), not Pedro.

All three of these things, cut,stone and hole appear on the Sleeping Lady Treasure map.....as well as on site.

Only the single "A", which is why I always considered the upward slanting element of that one as a pointer to the hole.....since it couldn't have been done by accident, and that a straightedge was probably used.

 

[somehiker]

Oro

This one is a beautiful beast, Notice the Rose Quarts on the bottom and little peak a boo Roses though out the piece.
This is a high dollar piece. Museum Grade maybe right next to the Stone Maps, Maybe!

babymick1


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I call this piece the Desert Rose!

But that rose smells different for some reason.
Maybe because of the pile of unpolished raw materials to the left.



they even have a vid on plating wood.....
but you gotta make sure you get rid of the woodgrain first.
otherwise, us rubes can tell.

You make and sell flea-market jewelry, dontcha Mick ?
You know, at that place over by the big buffalo .....

 

[azdave35]

But that rose smells different for some reason.
Maybe because of the pile of unpolished raw materials to the left.



they even have a vid on plating wood.....

You make and sell flea-market jewelry, dontcha Mick ?
You know, at that place over by the big buffalo .....

wayne...it is easier than you think to plate a rock...a easier and much faster way is brush plating...you could plate that rock in a few minutes once you apply the conductive paint...no messy tanks either...i'm guessing that's how mick did it

 

[somehiker]

I've heard of that, so yes, that sounds about right for what would do it better than a spray bomb I guess.
Good hustle.
I wonder what "high dollar" really is for something like that.......$ 19.99 ?

 

[azdave35]

I've heard of that, so yes, that sounds about right for what would do it better than a spray bomb I guess.
Good hustle.
I wonder what "high dollar" really is for something like that.......$ 19.99 ?

alot of people selling them at the rock and gem shows

 

[somehiker]

alot of people selling them at the rock and gem shows

Up my way, the gypsies are selling that jewelry stuff out of their cars......mostly Mercedes.
Had one try to hustle me outside the grocery store last week.....second time this summer.
Both dropped the asking price for a big gold ring down to 20 bucks, before giving up on me.

 

[somehiker]

This......