new show on the dutchman

[wrmickel1]

Deducer

You seem not to understand the name of the show, The Legends of The Superstitions' So the Jesuit cross fits in with the LEGENDS!
There not stating facts, there just covering the Legends.

So, it fits in the show

Wrmickel1

Deducer

Now that we got The Legends of The Superstitions straight and the facts subdued. As just a normal dude what do you think of the show. Come on now, don't be coy, cause someday were gonna find Sarges old crusty toenail in that carpet and were gonna EBay it.

Wrmickel1 I eagerly await for your reply

 

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[Eldo]

Of course not. I was only referring to the symbol being used to indicate water.
Then of course you knew that was my point.

the symbol stands for a mine

the code 2 = 3 - Mine - 18 = 7

is taken from the Beale Codes, when the men were on a 2 year contract, finding gold in the 3rd month, and locating the mine, dug for 18 months, returning to make one stash in VA, and the returning for a second trip to mine for an additional 7 months, to make a second dump in VA, returning to the valley

to be massacred, all 30 of them

I have made a full documentation over on the Beale Code post from JustinTime, just look it up, the codes are finally broken

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[wrmickel1]

the symbol stands for a mine

the code 2 = 3 - Mine - 18 = 7

is taken from the Beale Codes, when the men were on a 2 year contract, finding gold in the 3rd month, and locating the mine, dug for 18 months, returning to make one stash in VA, and the returning for a second trip to mine for an additional 7 months, to make a second dump in VA, returning to the valley

to be massacred, all 30 of them

I have made a full documentation over on the Beale Code post from JustinTime, just look it up, the codes are finally broken

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1119849"/>

ELDO

It don,'t work that way, No Gold, No Broke Code! You post a pic of 25 months of gold in VA, Then you shell receive the alkaloid's you so seek.

Wrmickel1

 

[sgtfda]

John mark your correct. The triangle on the stone maps area not only sits at the head of a waterfall but their is a old mine in that exact spot. The waterfall runs in the direction of the slot carved into the triangle. One day if you so desire I will show you

 

[sgtfda]

Legends +

 

[johnmark29020]

John mark your correct. The triangle on the stone maps area not only sits at the head of a waterfall but their is a old mine in that exact spot. The waterfall runs in the direction of the slot carved into the triangle. One day if you so desire I will show you

I would like that sgttda . Sounds like fun,

 

[dustytrails123]

Deducer

Now that we got The Legends of The Superstitions straight and the facts subdued. As just a normal dude what do you think of the show. Come on now, don't be coy, cause someday were gonna find Sarges old crusty toenail in that carpet and were gonna EBay it.

Wrmickel1 I eagerly await for your reply

If britney spears used chewing gum sold for 14k maybe you can get something out of that old cigar i see him chewing on

 

[UncleMatt]

The problem is, does the "waterfall" shown on camera exist within the Wilderness Area? Also, when you have geography that is composed primarily of steep rock covered slopes, it all becomes a waterfall in heavy rain, not just a single area of it. Every crevasse or lower point descending such terrain all flows water under those conditions. When I am caught in storms up in the high Rockies in such areas, you are surrounded by "waterfalls". Even the well worn trails temporarily become streams with water many inches deep. Just a thought.

 

[johnmark29020]

The problem is, does the "waterfall" shown on camera exist within the Wilderness Area? Also, when you have geography that is composed primarily of steep rock covered slopes, it all becomes a waterfall in heavy rain, not just a single area of it. Every crevasse or lower point descending such terrain all flows water under those conditions. When I am caught in storms up in the high Rockies in such areas, you are surrounded by "waterfalls". Even the well worn trails temporarily become streams with water many inches deep. Just a thought.

I see your point. I have heard that many streams and creeks dried up after the damn was built. So I wonder if it was a permanent water fall back in the day.

 

[djui5]

I believe the "Vulture" highgrade story is actually the one that was "put to rest" some time ago.
An assay was done on some of the remaining Dutchman ore samples, which showed the ore as NOT coming from the Vulture or any other known gold mine in Arizona.
:SH

This is the truth. His ore matches none of the known mines around here.

I have a feeling I know what the cross is, but I'm gonna wait and see.

 

[somehiker]

For example, the last shot at the end of the first episode is a shot of what appears to be a Jesuit cross inset in stone, and this is allegedly "somewhere in the Supes":

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It is very obviously a prop-----

Laying ON the rock, rather than inset I believe.
The design may have been inspired by the "ALTAR" bar shown on Mike's 1oro1.com website.



Hi Randy:

For those of us who are active not just in here, but out there in the mountains as well, making educated guesses as to what might be covered ( or discovered) in future episodes has become a sideshow of it's own. Being familiar with the legends, the topography, and the people, this series has certainly given and will continue to supply many hours of fodder for PM's and public comments on this and other sites. WE will of course have to wait and see, but I wonder if this cross will be associated with the "alabaster" cross of Weaver's Needle/Celeste Marie Jones fame....and mentioned by Curt Gentry in "Killer Mountains".

More on Marie Jones here:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=at...wAQ#v=onepage&q=weavers needle /Marie&f=false

Regards:Wayne

 

[deducer]

Deducer

Now that we got The Legends of The Superstitions straight and the facts subdued. As just a normal dude what do you think of the show. Come on now, don't be coy, cause someday were gonna find Sarges old crusty toenail in that carpet and were gonna EBay it.

Wrmickel1 I eagerly await for your reply

I actually enjoy it, it's entertainment, that's all it is- but I don't condone them taking a known site, such as the bat cave and trying to turn it into something it is not. It's not only misleading, it also exposes the site to vandalism.

 

[UncleMatt]

I see your point. I have heard that many streams and creeks dried up after the damn was built. So I wonder if it was a permanent water fall back in the day.

When you are well above the level of the dam, as well as ground water levels,any water flowing up there is due to rain fall. Or you would see the waterfalls constantly having water flow through them, not just when it rains.

 

[Hal Croves]

I actually enjoy it, it's entertainment, that's all it is- but I don't condone them taking a known site, such as the bat cave and trying to turn it into something it is not. It's not only misleading, it also exposes the site to vandalism.

Something it's not? What does this mean? Will you explain this so that when I do get to see the episode I will know what it is that you are trying to point out? wrmickel1 reminds us that it is "Ledgends", Sarge wrote Ledgends+, Eldo says is a charade, and it's only the first episode.

 

[Advocat]

I actually enjoy it, it's entertainment, that's all it is- but I don't condone them taking a known site, such as the bat cave and trying to turn it into something it is not. It's not only misleading, it also exposes the site to vandalism.

Just as a general comment ... I have never hiked the Superstitions. The quick "flashes" (photos, remarks) that are shown to advertise the show or the next episode do not, to me, mean that they are of the Dutchman mine or any other mine. Rather, they illustrate the reason for the show as well as features of the Superstitions that may or may not have anything to do with the Dutchman mine. I had not heard before that there was a bat cave in those mountains; I'm not surprised that there is one, and it's understandable that some people who see it for the first time might think it's a mine. In my opinion, the show will most likely reveal that it is NOT a mine, and that would be a good thing. Although vandalism and damage are possible, I kind of think it pretty unlikely that people will head out there looking for the bat cave in order to damage it. It's already being well shown that the terrain in the Supes is nothing to sneeze at, and if they Google "bat cave" and "Superstitions" they will find a bunch of info.

 

[deducer]

Something it's not? What does this mean? Will you explain this so that when I do get to see the episode I will know what it is that you are trying to point out?

Who knows how they will depict the bat cave? But, the very fact that it is being depicted on a treasure-hunting shows that they are trying to depict it as having something of value. The reality is that there was a guano operation up there many years ago (circa 1930) where they cleaned out all the guano to export it as a vital ingredient in the production of gunpowder at the time. So if there was ever anything of value up there, it's long gone by now.

Some fool is going to think otherwise, and try to get up there. The only thing he'll succeed in doing is endangering himself and the fragile bat population that's up there, not to mention the risk of contracting histoplasmosis, or rabies, or getting knocked out by the ammonia fumes.

 

[deducer]

In my opinion, the show will most likely reveal that it is NOT a mine, and that would be a good thing. Although vandalism and damage are possible, I kind of think it pretty unlikely that people will head out there looking for the bat cave in order to damage it.

I can only hope that your opinion is correct.

But vandalism is unfortunately a reality. On the Superstition Mountains facebook group I have seen countless examples (photos) posted of vandalism, including graffiti, and defacement, committed in these mountains.

 

[somehiker]

The Bat Cave is interesting, but has never been directly linked to any of the "Legends" of the Superstitions by historians.
Guano was harvested out there back in the thirties....or so it is said. I see no reason to doubt that, although documentation of this seems non-existent.









In previous discussions, where I've posted these and other photos, I have suggested a possible link to Apache stories of a cave deep within the mountains where, from time to time, elders of the San Carlos tribe have retrieved gold which was then used to purchase cattle etc. for the reserve. I've also theorized that this cave could be the one which Geronimo offered up the location of, in order to buy his freedom from the USG, and that both stories were linked to this place.
I can't say that Bat Cave is or isn't the cave in question. But I CAN say it's both empty, except for bats and guano, AND a dangerous place to visit.
I can also say, that like skunk spray, it will take you some time and multiple showers to get rid of the smell of bat guano, and multiple laundering of your clothes as well......might be better to burn them...

The series in it's promos, promises to feature a sect of secretive warriors, and has mentioned the "Black Legion" as well.....one and the same ??
It'll be interesting....

 

[deducer]

Anyway I think I've said enough- I don't want to ruin anyone's viewing experience by being such a stickler for historical accuracy.

 

[djui5]

"Black legion", wow, that is sure gonna stir up some drama!