More Proof that J. Frank Dalton was Jesse Woodson James

[L.C. BAKER]

IMHO, even IF Dalton WASN'T JJ... there is just too KGC "info" in that book, that I CAN NOT ignore. LOTS of it "rings" TRUE!

I Agree with you totally Rebel. "There is a kernel of truth in every lie"

L.C.

 

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[L.C. BAKER]

Unfortunately Bud Hardcastle dug up the wrong guy so no dna testing was done. As far as Dalton having any connection to the James Gang only time will tell.

That story is also suspicious, and one that could be answered with the proper permission granted by the proper people. What used to take months can be done very rapidly with today's technology.

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

How about we now take a look at the ears and noses of two different photos, one of a teenage Jesse W. James and one of an old J. Frank Dalton. L.C., please compare these ears and noses for us if you don't mind. The earlobes on the teenage Jesse look longer to me than the ones on the earlier photo we looked at and the noses are almost identical although there's an 80 year age difference. Look especially at the indentations on the sides of their noses and also at the overall shape.
~Texas Jay

Three men with three different looking ears and noses....two out of three are proven to be the same man, why not the third man who is much older?
L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

So in other words you have this info but it's under wraps until your book is published.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

So in other words you have this info but it's under wraps until your book is published.

That would be correct sir, but not because I'm trying to hype up the book. It is because without credible evidence to back up accusations it would give place for slander of the accusations that are made. When I can back up what I say with the released evidence there will be no room for doubt, there will only be room for further speculation and research in the right direction for a change....as far as the JJ connection to the K.G.C. and O.A.K. is concerned and in other accusations yet to be stated about who's who in the K.G.C. 1830-1930's

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

As far as Dalton goes I am as intrigued by the man as you are and only fragments of the truth to base an opinion on. Need more hard stuff.

L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

I'd be interested in your book when it comes out

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I Agree with you totally Rebel. "There is a kernel of truth in every lie"

L.C.

ONE example is when Dalton saw a fellow pass him, and "D" asked... "Have you seen the turtle go by?" Non-sense question... unexpected. BUT! TURTLE Sign DOES indicate site of interest for "ASSETS". "Google" TURTLE SIGNS; I like the ones by HAWK EYE!

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Rebel that story came from Houk and can hardly be used as an example. Much of what has been attributed to Dalton came after his death and came from Houk.

Houk was nothing more than a common thief and conman. You guys should really look into his past history before putting such faith into the stories he told.

 

[mical66]

no expert here , but this story has always been interesting to me .
as for the 2 pictures ?
i can see some resemblance in the 2 faces , but i have to agree about the hairline . i have never seen a hairline grow down the forehead , they always go back,,and the young picture shows a receding hairline already . but as for the ears , age does make a big difference and i can see a possible match there.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Maybe it's a comb over for a balding man? or......the wrong guy! LOL

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

DNA will be the only way to ever prove the truth of the matter unless OKIE or Jay, or an actual expert has some better info to go on.

Just my two cents, L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

It's a very labor intensive job searching the history of each person involved in the story of J Frank Dalton. It's the only way to weave the story together in a logical fashion. Finding someone who was telling the truth has been a whole other challenge.

 

[Manhunter]

Good morning Gentlemen: I am new to the forum here and wanted to introduce myself. My name is David Travis, and I am the great grandson of Elbert Dewitt and Ann Patterson Travis. I have interest in discussions pertaining to J. Frank Dalton, Quantrill, and the KGC. Dalton was a friend of the Travis family there in Van Zandt County, Texas, specifically with my great uncle, Elbert Dewitt Travis Jr, whom my dad referred to as Uncle D. I grew up hearing all the family tales that Dalton was in fact Jesse James, and even that my great grandfather was Quantrill. I have no proof or evidence regarding the Dalton story, but I can 100% refute my great grandfather being Quantrill. Any way, I look forward to any discussions on the above. Also I am retiring at the end of this month after serving 25 years as a US Marshal here in Texas.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

David I would like to get together and talk sometime

 

[Manhunter]

David I would like to get together and talk sometime

Sounds good, I'm in the Houston area now but make it up to North Texas sometimes.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I Agree with you totally Rebel. "There is a kernel of truth in every lie"

L.C.

I typed a response last night but storm kept "kicking me off", and will try again; TOO much focus on Dalton/James & NOT enough attention on "clues" given in the book... Houk was just a "patsy" or something like that (like LHO). BEALE PAPERS (1885) is the SAME; TOO much attention on Thomas J. Beale, and NOT enough on the story. HH!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

JWB, TJB & LHO took focus away from "truth"; new generations with GREATER understanding are now giving "insights".

 

[Manhunter]

JWB, TJB & LHO took focus away from "truth"; new generations with GREATER understanding are now giving "insights".

Totally agree Rebel - KGC. Today we have the capacity to research the facts much better than they could back in the early to mid 1900's. Alot of the old folk stories and embellishments were taken at their word if there was even a shred of possible connection, and then if the media snagged it up and sensationalized it then everyone thought there must be some truth to what was being told.

 

[Manhunter]

One thing I will say about Dalton's story. My dad, who was born in 1918, told me that whenever Dalton came around to the family, his mother, that being my grandmother, would not let Dalton on their property or come around their house. He said that he grew up being told that Dalton was Jesse James and that it was a well kept family secret that was not to be discussed. However, not sure why Dalton wanted to make it a public proclamation right before his death. I think it would be safe to say that Dalton was an outlaw and possibly rode with the James brothers and Quantrill, ....., but to actually be Jesse James? I'm not convinced even in light of my family stories and the similarities in facial structure, bullet scars, and rope burn scar. But I guess it certainly makes for interesting discussion and research.