More Proof that J. Frank Dalton was Jesse Woodson James

[Texas Jay]

Here's a newspaper article in which a former sheriff of Hood County tells of his conversations with Jesse James and of his examination of Jesse's corpse. You'll notice he mentions the rope burn scars.
~Texas Jay

 

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[okietreasurehunter]

Please explain how Dalton's ears, nose, and hairline is different from Jesse James?

Unless the sheriff was alive in 1882 and knew Jesse James personally I wouldn't put much stock into anything he says

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I am far from Okie and Texas Jay's knowledge on the subject of who was J. Frank Dalton. But what I do know is coded messages. The post card in question has things in common with other K.G.C./O.A.K. coded messages that we have found and deciphered. "Please send me my waist" is your first clue that this is not your average post card message. Your second clue is the oil well on the front of it. Throw in Jesse James's signature at the bottom of it and you have a piece of history.
I believe it is a card written with a coded message that was not top secret. It would have at least been a letter in an envelope if it was secret. It would be a letter that required a second part (Key) to decode. That is not the case with this card. As for who signed Jesse James's name to it.....it hard to say. The fact remains however, that it is a card with hidden meanings. Your average guy named Jesse James would not know how to do that, nor would his method match the O.A.K.'s.
Without a time line to support your theory of J. Frank Dalton and Jesse James's travels and doings it will be hard to prove. How many Frank Daltons are there in the world?
The one you speak of had two kids......Jesse James had two kids... What are their children's age differences? there wife's there fathers and mothers ages. Little boys were mistaken for little girls in those days..what if they covered that up as well?
As far as the code of the order having an age for initiation....we have one that was being groomed from the age of 12 for his position in the order. It seems they liked to adopt young fatherless men into the order and train them up themselves. (the elders). Did Frank Dalton have a father...was he abandoned or raised by another family member? These are the questions that need to find answers before any evidence can be laid in place. Keep digg'n okie and jay!

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Please explain how Dalton's ears, nose, and hairline is different from Jesse James?

Unless the sheriff was alive in 1882 and knew Jesse James personally I wouldn't put much stock into anything he says

Most of what has been thrown up is things that were written by reporters.......how much stock can be put into what they wrote as well?

L.C.

 

[Texas Jay]

Okay, back to the signature comparison between that on the postcard and that on a confirmed letter from Jesse Woodson James. I don't claim to be a handwriting expert but I think I am better at it than the experts that the Dalton and Bill Anderson naysayers claim to use. I'm attaching the signature from the postcard and one from a letter that Jesse wrote and signed 30 years or so earlier.
On the letter signature, the lower half of the first "J" smoothly flows into the "e" with no space between, exactly the same way the writer of the postcard did. Next, look at the gap between the top and bottom loops of both "J" s in the postcard signature. The same gap is present on the second "J" in the letter. Then look at both signatures and you'll notice that the second capital "J" does not connect with or flow evenly into the "a" in the last name on either signature. If you magnify both signatures, you'll notice that the top of the "a" is open. The "m" s in both signatures are mostly peaked, not rounded. There are other handwriting similarities in the texts of the letter and the postcard also.
~Texas Jay

 

[Texas Jay]

How about we now take a look at the ears and noses of two different photos, one of a teenage Jesse W. James and one of an old J. Frank Dalton. L.C., please compare these ears and noses for us if you don't mind. The earlobes on the teenage Jesse look longer to me than the ones on the earlier photo we looked at and the noses are almost identical although there's an 80 year age difference. Look especially at the indentations on the sides of their noses and also at the overall shape.
~Texas Jay

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Okay, back to the signature comparison between that on the postcard and that on a confirmed letter from Jesse Woodson James. I don't claim to be a handwriting expert but I think I am better at it than the experts that the Dalton and Bill Anderson naysayers claim to use. I'm attaching the signature from the postcard and one from a letter that Jesse wrote and signed 30 years or so earlier.
On the letter signature, the lower half of the first "J" smoothly flows into the "e" with no space between, exactly the same way the writer of the postcard did. Next, look at the gap between the top and bottom loops of both "J" s in the postcard signature. The same gap is present on the second "J" in the letter. Then look at both signatures and you'll notice that the second capital "J" does not connect with or flow evenly into the "a" in the last name on either signature. If you magnify both signatures, you'll notice that the top of the "a" is open. The "m" s in both signatures are mostly peaked, not rounded. There are other handwriting similarities in the texts of the letter and the postcard also.
~Texas Jay

I think the two were written by the same man under two different circumstances. One on a desk top to a friend and one on a tablet being held in his other hand under duress. But I am no expert. It doesn't take much to determine one was done in a single stroke without lifting and the other was three strokes allowing for the W in between. The m's match and the shape of the last letters of the last name. One was done in a hurry and was was not, just my two cents. L.C.

All I did to enhance this was make the partial stroke that was not completed....you be the judge!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

The eye and chin as well as the young wrinkles that turn old....

 

[lastleg]

The photograph of "Jesse" is exceptionally clear and crisp. Must have been recently "discovered".

 

[L.C. BAKER]

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I would like to add this for those interested in a good comparison of mistaken identity that was a mistake.

Tichborne case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Texas Jay]

Thank you, L.C. I think your handwriting and facial comparisons are excellent. It seems that you have silenced the naysayers, at least for now. I look forward to them trying to contradict what we've shown as evidence. I hope they get their "experts" to offer some specific answers.
~Texas Jay

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Texas Jay you say naysayer like it's a bad thing lol. Since none of us on here so far are experts in forensics all you, I, or LC have put forth in just our opinion. I just haven't taken the time to reply. It would do little good except for my own personal enjoyment. Besides I'm busy tracking down who Dalton really was.

 

[Texas Jay]

No, Okie, L.C. and I have offered solid evidence that I believe proves that the man known as J. Frank Dalton was Jesse Woodson James. If you are truly "tracking down who Dalton really was", you've obviously missed all of the road signs. What I'd really like to know is who the "experts" are that you claim are working for you or with you. Anyone can claim that they are working with experts but, without telling who they are, how are we to tell whether or not they really are experts?
~Texas Jay

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Jay your evidence is about as solid as a bowl of pudding. Look at what information we found out about your postcard in just two days. You've had that thing for months and didn't come close to gathering the information that we did. I've got a solid time line on dalton now so hopefully it won't be much longer before I can reveal the rest of his story.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Jay your evidence is about as solid as a bowl of pudding. Look at what information we found out about your postcard in just two days. You've had that thing for months and didn't come close to gathering the information that we did. I've got a solid time line on dalton now so hopefully it won't be much longer before I can reveal the rest of his story.

Do you have any info on the DNA testing that was done on Dalton Okie? Is it available for the public?

Thanks, L.C.

P.S. If Dalton turns out not to be Jesse....do you think he still may have been involved with him?

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Unfortunately Bud Hardcastle dug up the wrong guy so no dna testing was done. As far as Dalton having any connection to the James Gang only time will tell.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

IMHO, even IF Dalton WASN'T JJ... there is just too much KGC "info" in that book, that I CAN NOT ignore. LOTS of it "rings" TRUE!

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Here's some question those that talk about kgc treasure never seem to answer. Where did the information about kgc treasure come from? Who authenticated the kgc treasure signs and symbols that were used? Who has solid proof that JJ or J Frank Dalton were members of the KGC?

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Here's some question those that talk about kgc treasure never seem to answer. Where did the information about kgc treasure come from? Who authenticated the kgc treasure signs and symbols that were used? Who has solid proof that JJ or J Frank Dalton were members of the KGC?

In our case:

1) Where did the information about K.G.C. treasure come from? A lead medallion that was worn by a high ranking member of the secret society, which he had worn around his neck until his death, was placed by another member in a special place. Other medallions were located one by one by deciphering coded messages included on each piece. The pieces, although they are maps in their self, all fit together to form a larger coded map. By decoding the pieces we were led to the next high ranking member and the next clue. The hunt continues to this day, and is spread over three different states at this point.

2) Who authenticated the K.G.C. treasure signs and symbols that were used? First My Father and I, and then other K.G.C. treasure hunters around the world. (More to come when the book is published)

3) Who has solid proof that Jesse W. James was a members of the KGC?[/QUOTE] We do, and information connecting John Wilkes Booth to the same sect of the organization as well as the O.A.K. (More to come when the book is published)

L.C. Baker