More Proof that J. Frank Dalton was Jesse Woodson James

[Springfield]

... The talk out there concerning the Gold Act of 1933 spurring a mass digging up of caches of 50+ year old coinage to turn into bullion so it was 'spendable' again on boots, beans and guns, especially around the 30's, has never sat well with me. Quite frankly, I pretty much do not buy it. There are things about that theory that just don't make sense, and I haven't seen questioned publicly. ...

The popular theories contend that the bigger caches also had smaller satellite caches nearby: jars of coins, eg, called 'traveling money' by some - your 'boots and beans' dough for the faithful troops' use. Remember, small amounts of coinage was allowed by the Gold Act and could be exchanged for paper money as needed. But, whaddaya going to do with a ton or two of coins - the major caches? Melting into bullion makes sense for large amounts, and given the timing of so many treasure legends surfacing in the '30's, seems to fit. Of course, it's all speculation based on deductive reasoning, which may or may not be accurate.

 

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[Pinwheel]

The popular theories contend that the bigger caches also had smaller satellite caches nearby: jars of coins, eg, called 'traveling money' by some - your 'boots and beans' dough for the faithful troops' use. Remember, small amounts of coinage was allowed by the Gold Act and could be exchanged for paper money as needed. But, whaddaya going to do with a ton or two of coins - the major caches? Melting into bullion makes sense for large amounts, and given the timing of so many treasure legends surfacing in the '30's, seems to fit. Of course, it's all speculation based on deductive reasoning, which may or may not be accurate.

Hay guys. Been thinking about a new theory lately. What if there never was any big KGC vaults full of Gold and silver? What if there was only some outlaw booty scattered around? What If all the legends of Gold Mines like the Lost Rhoads mine and Carrie Shin obb or how ever you spell it and all the rest of the famous lost mines were just a hoax?
What would the purpose in that be?

If all of this is just a hoax this is my theory Why. To evangelize all the would be treasure hunters. To make of them worthy neophytes. To bring into the fold the worthy neophytes who through the study of symbols finally get it. Of course not all would make it. but they are not supposed to. In the old way nature would take care of the unworthy initiate. I wonder how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost Ducthman and other lost mines.

I would just be curious as to how many have become mystics because of the research into symbols and looking for answers . I would also be interested in knowing how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost gold mine.

pinwheel

 

[Springfield]

Hay guys. Been thinking about a new theory lately. What if there never was any big KGC vaults full of Gold and silver? What if there was only some outlaw booty scattered around? What If all the legends of Gold Mines like the Lost Rhoads mine and Carrie Shin obb or how ever you spell it and all the rest of the famous lost mines were just a hoax?
What would the purpose in that be?

If all of this is just a hoax this is my theory Why. To evangelize all the would be treasure hunters. To make of them worthy neophytes. To bring into the fold the worthy neophytes who through the study of symbols finally get it. Of course not all would make it. but they are not supposed to. In the old way nature would take care of the unworthy initiate. I wonder how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost Ducthman and other lost mines.

I would just be curious as to how many have become mystics because of the research into symbols and looking for answers . I would also be interested in knowing how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost gold mine.

pinwheel

This idea has been suggested before - 'knowledge is the true treasure'. The idea is that in order to understand the minds of those who created the clues at the various 'treasure sites', the seeker must educate himself to a similar level. This means the pilgrim must have a working grasp of mathematics, geometry, languages, symbology, history, mysticism and spirituality. And, especially, human nature.

Mystics? Remember that weird business in the Black Book about Jesse James' raising? Might be a hidden message there, as there are so many more in that book. Dead treasure seekers? There's that human nature thing for you. I wonder if the caches are indeed gold caches (which are unobtainable to outsiders), and the education gained by those who hunt them are their payoff.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Something I didn't post last night/early morning, is the consideration of what happened to the KGC after they 'lost' to the OAK; namely, what they (KGC diehards) may have done starting in the late 1880's. My own personal experiences happen to be that most stories that catch my eye (even ones that don't for years, like in the treasure marks thread I started) don't precede the 1890's all that often at all.

If that is what happened, that KGC and OAK boys 'had a discussion' about who was in control of setting and implementing goals, well, Hell hath no fury like a KGC member scorned. If you are a member of the Society with Secrets, OAK, well, another Society with Secrets, KGC, knows your secrets too. Like where all of the damn gold is buried. If there were bad feelings left over during the KGC/OAK transition, the OAK, post mid-1880's, would have little choice but to potentially relocated some caches or change markers and signs, to keep them out of the hands of disgruntled KGC boys and their descendants.

The talk out there concerning the Gold Act of 1933 spurring a mass digging up of caches of 50+ year old coinage to turn into bullion so it was 'spendable' again on boots, beans and guns, especially around the 30's, has never sat well with me. Quite frankly, I pretty much do not buy it. There are things about that theory that just don't make sense, and I haven't seen questioned publicly. At this point, I give at least equal weight, if not more, to the notion that some of this stuff involves the OAK boys trying to keep the caches out of the hands of ex-KGC members, potentially relocating them starting with a big push in the late 1880s.

If there is anything to that theory of mine, well tracking these caches in the field could get real confusing, real fast, in addition to other cans 'o worms it opens ...

Perhaps the "parent" organization of the K.G.C. allotted just enough of the laundered funds (gold) to organize and start many monopolies that made fortunes in legal tender. No need for the rest of the original gold after 1870, besides that, they wouldn't have wanted to turn their gold into Union greenbacks.

Just my 2 cents, L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Hay guys. Been thinking about a new theory lately. What if there never was any big KGC vaults full of Gold and silver? What if there was only some outlaw booty scattered around? What If all the legends of Gold Mines like the Lost Rhoads mine and Carrie Shin obb or how ever you spell it and all the rest of the famous lost mines were just a hoax?
What would the purpose in that be?

If all of this is just a hoax this is my theory Why. To evangelize all the would be treasure hunters. To make of them worthy neophytes. To bring into the fold the worthy neophytes who through the study of symbols finally get it. Of course not all would make it. but they are not supposed to. In the old way nature would take care of the unworthy initiate. I wonder how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost Ducthman and other lost mines.

I would just be curious as to how many have become mystics because of the research into symbols and looking for answers . I would also be interested in knowing how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost gold mine.

pinwheel

That is a theory with strong possibilities.

L.C.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

This idea has been suggested before - 'knowledge is the true treasure'. The idea is that in order to understand the minds of those who created the clues at the various 'treasure sites', the seeker must educate himself to a similar level. This means the pilgrim must have a working grasp of mathematics, geometry, languages, symbology, history, mysticism and spirituality. And, especially, human nature.

Mystics? Remember that weird business in the Black Book about Jesse James' raising? Might be a hidden message there, as there are so many more in that book. Dead treasure seekers? There's that human nature thing for you. I wonder if the caches are indeed gold caches (which are unobtainable to outsiders), and the education gained by those who hunt them are their payoff.

"Black Book"...?

 

[Pinwheel]

This idea has been suggested before - 'knowledge is the true treasure'. The idea is that in order to understand the minds of those who created the clues at the various 'treasure sites', the seeker must educate himself to a similar level. This means the pilgrim must have a working grasp of mathematics, geometry, languages, symbology, history, mysticism and spirituality. And, especially, human nature.

Mystics? Remember that weird business in the Black Book about Jesse James' raising? Might be a hidden message there, as there are so many more in that book. Dead treasure seekers? There's that human nature thing for you. I wonder if the caches are indeed gold caches (which are unobtainable to outsiders), and the education gained by those who hunt them are their payoff.

Yes Springfield it seems as though treasure hunting has many parraells to the mysteries in ancient egypt. I disagree with knowledge being the treasure. I think it is a tool or key by which one obtains the treasure. It is impossible to unlock the doors of the afterlife without this tool or key of knowledge. However it will not make you god, butt will allow you to open the door to meet that god.

According to the ancient Mysteries one has to obtain this knowledge by his self with out any help from those who possess the forbidden knowledge.
Sounds just like treasure hunting. Does it not? To find out what just an "R" carved on a stone means, takes a long time and a lot of research. Just ask any one who posses the forbidden knowledge what the "R" means and they will tell you something irrelevant or they do not know. But I am sure you Know.

I used the word evangelize in that last post because the ancient mysteries are a religion. Treasure is the lure that causes one to become and initiate. The study of the symbols is what reveals what that religion is . Even though the interpretation of the symbols are a secret there is enough allegories to put the interpretations together and understand the symbol. The greatest secret that is kept by the sentinels of forbidden knowledge is just who their god is. Once you understand who that is then you will began to find things you never imagined.

If you would like to know who that god is, try asking Dog The Treasure Hunter. I do not believe he is a neophyite. And He is putting it togeather quite nice.

I just wonder if anyone thinks it is strange why a religion would want to keep it's god a secret until you are in to deep to get out?

Pinwheel

 

[Pinwheel]

"Black Book"...?

Hi Rebel. Do not want to answer for Springfield, but it seems as though he is ignoring your question. I believe what he is referring to is the Book " Jessie James was one of his Names". I could be wrong though. There is a lot in there about mother Rebecca being a twoheads. She was his spiritual guide. The book claims straight up that Jessie was a mystic. Twoheads is referring to one who sees in the natural and the supernatural. And there is a quote in there about Jessie rising in the last days. I understood it to be his religion and not his physical flesh. That is just my opinion though. You can read it and make up your own mind.

Pinwheel

 

[Springfield]

Hi Rebel. Do not want to answer for Springfield, but it seems as though he is ignoring your question. I believe what he is referring to is the Book " Jessie James was one of his Names". I could be wrong though. There is a lot in there about mother Rebecca being a twoheads. She was his spiritual guide. The book claims straight up that Jessie was a mystic. Twoheads is referring to one who sees in the natural and the supernatural. And there is a quote in there about Jessie rising in the last days. I understood it to be his religion and not his physical flesh. That is just my opinion though. You can read it and make up your own mind.

Pinwheel

I sorry, Rebel - I wasn't ignoring your question, I just haven't checked this thread for a few days. Yes, Pinwheel is right - I was referring to the Del Schrader book. It's got a plain black cover.

The book and everything in it presumably centers around the Missouri outlaw Jesse James. I suspect a lot of what's presented is literally true information, but IMO, much of the book is allegorical - assigning things to JJ that actually belong to others. JJ becomes sort of a figurehead or symbol representing the organization he was allegedly a part of. I wonder if the book is revealing how the organization works, using JJ as being all of the '73 identities' - absurd, of course. Some of the 73, maybe, but not all of them. The mysticism reference might be hinting at a level of arcane knowledge used by the group.

 

[Springfield]

... The greatest secret that is kept by the sentinels of forbidden knowledge is just who their god is. Once you understand who that is then you will began to find things you never imagined...

As you know, this world has had several gods and numerous religions. If there is suppressed knowledge regarding human origins and history, one wonders: why is that knowledge secret and who benefits from the deception?

 

[L.C. BAKER]

It seems that a lot of them refer to the sun.

L.C.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hay guys. Been thinking about a new theory lately. What if there never was any big KGC vaults full of Gold and silver? What if there was only some outlaw booty scattered around? What If all the legends of Gold Mines like the Lost Rhoads mine and Carrie Shin obb or how ever you spell it and all the rest of the famous lost mines were just a hoax?
What would the purpose in that be?

If all of this is just a hoax this is my theory Why. To evangelize all the would be treasure hunters. To make of them worthy neophytes. To bring into the fold the worthy neophytes who through the study of symbols finally get it. Of course not all would make it. but they are not supposed to. In the old way nature would take care of the unworthy initiate. I wonder how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost Ducthman and other lost mines.

I would just be curious as to how many have become mystics because of the research into symbols and looking for answers . I would also be interested in knowing how many have perished in the desert looking for the lost gold mine.

pinwheel

The ONLY "big" KGC "vault" that I am aware of is COAL MOUNTAIN (aka BRENTWOOD TREASURE), south of Nashville, Tenn. & it was during the Confederate War; Nashville, Tenn. was HQ for KGC, during the Confederate War... even Gen. Albert Pike was there. AND! Jesse James' older brother, Frank, was in a REBEL unit based in Tenn.; he was ALSO the doctor.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hi Rebel. Do not want to answer for Springfield, but it seems as though he is ignoring your question. I believe what he is referring to is the Book " Jessie James was one of his Names". I could be wrong though. There is a lot in there about mother Rebecca being a twoheads. She was his spiritual guide. The book claims straight up that Jessie was a mystic. Twoheads is referring to one who sees in the natural and the supernatural. And there is a quote in there about Jessie rising in the last days. I understood it to be his religion and not his physical flesh. That is just my opinion though. You can read it and make up your own mind.

Pinwheel

THANKS! I remember, now...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I sorry, Rebel - I wasn't ignoring your question, I just haven't checked this thread for a few days. Yes, Pinwheel is right - I was referring to the Del Schrader book. It's got a plain black cover.

The book and everything in it presumably centers around the Missouri outlaw Jesse James. I suspect a lot of what's presented is literally true information, but IMO, much of the book is allegorical - assigning things to JJ that actually belong to others. JJ becomes sort of a figurehead or symbol representing the organization he was allegedly a part of. I wonder if the book is revealing how the organization works, using JJ as being all of the '73 identities' - absurd, of course. Some of the 73, maybe, but not all of them. The mysticism reference might be hinting at a level of arcane knowledge used by the group.

Yes... THANKS! I remember, now.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

As you know, this world has had several gods and numerous religions. If there is suppressed knowledge regarding human origins and history, one wonders: why is that knowledge secret and who benefits from the deception?

Eh...?

 

[Pinwheel]

As you know, this world has had several gods and numerous religions. If there is suppressed knowledge regarding human origins and history, one wonders: why is that knowledge secret and who benefits from the deception?

Those are some very good questions Springfield. Do you have any opinions on the subject?

Pinwheel

 

[Pinwheel]

It seems that a lot of them refer to the sun.

L.C.

Hi L.C.. I am sure you know this already. The worship of pagan gods was for the profane or the common people. The common people of ancient Egypt had observed the ceremonies carried out by the high priest and the upper cast of Egyptian hierarchy. The profane did not understand the ceremonies and thought they were supposed to worship the sun and symbols of the sun such as Osiris. The initiates , neophytes, and high priest actually worshiped him who drives the sun chariot across the sky. There again that is just another level of security and symbolism.

Each pagan god is only a symbol of the god that the ancients worshiped. Each symbol only exhibited the attributes or character of that god. Osiris, Isis, Ra, Apis, serapis , Anubis, and all the other gods were just a symbol of the god they worshiped.

Pinwheel

 

[Springfield]

Those are some very good questions Springfield. Do you have any opinions on the subject?

Hi L.C.. I am sure you know this already. The worship of pagan gods was for the profane or the common people. The common people of ancient Egypt had observed the ceremonies carried out by the high priest and the upper cast of Egyptian hierarchy. The profane did not understand the ceremonies and thought they were supposed to worship the sun and symbols of the sun such as Osiris. The initiates , neophytes, and high priest actually worshiped him who drives the sun chariot across the sky. There again that is just another level of security and symbolism.

Each pagan god is only a symbol of the god that the ancients worshiped. Each symbol only exhibited the attributes or character of that god. Osiris, Isis, Ra, Apis, serapis , Anubis, and all the other gods were just a symbol of the god they worshiped.

Pinwheel

Yes, I have opinions, but I tend to keep those a bit tame on the forum. Regarding paganism, the world's greatest current example is St Peter's Basilica in Rome. Walk around in there and take a close look at the symbols, geometry, art (personality worship), vestments, and other accoutrements used by the church. You might see numerous links to Egypt and beyond - if not directly, at least in practice. Sun gods have always been religions' heros.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

That is a theory with strong possibilities.

L.C.

Well... there WAS the ORDER Knights of the MYSTIC Chain, once...they had CASTLES! @ 1870 or so...

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Has anyone ever tied J. Frank Dalton to:

Railroad
Telegraph
Trusts
Oil
Banking
Judicial or political structure of the U.S.A.

L.C.