More Proof that J. Frank Dalton was Jesse Woodson James

[okietreasurehunter]

There's a pretty simple answer to that. The two photos you're comparing have already been shown to be different people by facial recognition experts. The nose, ears, and hair part are completely different. Plus looking at my original black and white photos of J Frank Dalton what you call a scar looks to be age spots. Looking at the JJ photos I have I don't see what you could call a scar either.

 

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[okietreasurehunter]

 

[okietreasurehunter]

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Pretty obvious just looking at the ears they aren't the same person. You easily see the differences in the nose and hairline as well

 

[L.C. BAKER]

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The same conclusion could be made from these two photos of Kirk Douglas......





Age is hard on a fella.......and Kirk Douglas only acted like an outlaw.....

L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

I'm pretty sure if J Frank Dalton came back from the dead and said he really wasn't Jesse James that you'd argue with him and tell him he was wrong lol

 

[L.C. BAKER]

add 70 years to Jesse's ear and the inner structure does not change... the outer structure begins to sag. Keep in mind their heads are not at the same angle.

pretty darn close if you ask me......just say'n L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I'm pretty sure if J Frank Dalton came back from the dead and said he really wasn't Jesse James that you'd argue with him and tell him he was wrong lol

No offense intended Okie...I want to know the truth just as bad as you do...LOL

L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

I can see very obvious differences in the inner ear. You still have to explain the nose and hairline as well. It's not just me either but experts who do it for a living

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Forget about what we all think we know and believe for a moment and simplify the affair based on the story alone....

#1 Why did Dalton claim to be Jesse?
a. Fame? (Jesse James was the most famous outlaw to live)
1. Dalton was not famous until he made the announcement that he was Jesse James at I believe 103 years old. What good is fame to a 103 year old man? Especially to one that had already lived it...

b. Publicity? (Jesse James was one of the most written about outlaw bank robbers of his time, never caught, written about like Robin Hood in the papers, well liked among the general public, already had the bragging rights as one of the best)
1. The draw backs of "publicity" would have been like putting a cross hair on your forehead....J.W.J. knew too many politicians that were involved with the K.G.C.....Men that had exposed highly]top secret society knowledge of operations to him on several levels, but with no proof of them ever meeting face to face. Very Very "Prominent wealthy men with a lot to loose, as they could all be hung for treason for their association with the "out law J.W.J.". Not to mention it would have tarnished their "spotless" family reputations that stretched clear back to the Revolutionary war and before that, across the sea.
This is a very logical reason to keep your mouth shut for 80 years if you really were J.W.J. When he was over 100 years old Dalton had outlived almost all of them......that is, the "original team", BUT, by that time the large money making O.AK. monopolies like oil, gold, steel, railroads, etc. etc. were booming. Several new generations were in control of what the "original team" had built the foundations for during the reconstruction and it had been growing,,,,,~ $$$$$$$$$$$
The real Jesse would never exposed that information.....Dalton made no reference to any K.G.C. or O.A.K. operations. Dalton's lack of knowledge in some areas does not reflect his abundance of particulars in other areas, in other words " He knew too much to know so little". I believe it could have been on purpose.

Just my 2 cents as always, L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Once again you're making assumptions. There's no proof Dalton was the age he claimed. It was Houk who made all the KGC references after Dalton's death. There has never been a connection to the KGC and Jesse James other than what Houk Claimed. By the KGC's own bylaws he would've been to young to join when Houk claimed he did.

Here's what we know about J Frank Dalton. He claimed to be Jesse James,
Frank Dalton the last of Quantrell's riders, Billy the Kid, Frank Dalton the uncle of the Dalton gang, and Bob Dalton. J Frank had been seeking fame throughout the 1930's and 40's.

Here's what I know about Houk. He was a known criminal, he claimed to be JJ III as early as 1920, and he, Dalton, Hunter, & Smith met in a Texas cafe to hatch up the plan to reveal Dalton as JJ for publicity.

When he came out in 1948 he claimed to be the Missouri Jesse James, but after his death he became the Kentucky Jesse James.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

All of that information is what you have put together your beliefs with, yet you will have to make yourself think outside of the box if you seek the truth of a liar. Just my two cents.

He claimed to be Jesse James,
Frank Dalton the last of Quantrell's riders, Billy the Kid, Frank Dalton the uncle of the Dalton gang, and Bob Dalton.

And you found this published where? and by whom? Was it all said in one breath or at different times in different situations? Sounds perfectly logical if it is true......If you were Jesse on the run, allways on the lamb and always watching your back for the long arm of the law. But as a publicity stunt? How many times do you think the same old man can cry wolf?, sounds to me like whoever wrote that information was intentionally out to destroy J.Frank Dalton's credibility. I would truly be interested in reading it if you have the link please post it.

Thanks, L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I never heard anyone doubt the unbelievable claim of the mans age as much as his claim to be Jesse James...... In fact I have never really seen anything about the claim except the pictures and such...I am interested in any solid info you can provide.

Can you place J. Frank Dalton on the map on any important dates, or even in certain months....say April, 1874

Great info Okie, but like the guy on Dragnet always said..."JUST THE FACTS" L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

It has been years of research gathering newspaper articles, J Frank Dalton's personal papers, books, interviews with relatives of people involved in the Lawton reveal, etc that I have combined to form my opinion.

You have formed your opinion and I doubt no matter what evidence I lay before you that your opinion will change. Good luck in your quest though

 

[L.C. BAKER]

It has been years of research gathering newspaper articles, J Frank Dalton's personal papers, books, interviews with relatives of people involved in the Lawton reveal, etc that I have combined to form my opinion.

You have formed your opinion and I doubt no matter what evidence I lay before you that your opinion will change. Good luck in your quest though

I remain open to any hard evidence that puts the two men in two places at the same time.

Thanks for the info, L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

It has been years of research gathering newspaper articles, J Frank Dalton's personal papers, books, interviews with relatives of people involved in the Lawton reveal, etc that I have combined to form my opinion.

You have formed your opinion and I doubt no matter what evidence I lay before you that your opinion will change. Good luck in your quest though

Trust me Okie...I know what that feels like and I feel it in my gut too. You will have to face a million critics so you can see how important undoubted hard evidence will be to your cause...."THE TRUTH"

L.C.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

The burden of proof isn't on me. It belongs to those trying to prove Dalton was JJ. I'm just trying to find out his years prior to 1920. Assumption and speculation doesn't prove much.

 

[okietreasurehunter]

About as early as I think I have him traced to is Denton Texas in 1912

 

[Texas Jay]

Okie, maybe you can't see the scar and maybe you just don't want to see it but I can clearly see it on most of the copies of the younger Jesse that I have in my files. I also have some copies that have obviously been "touched up" in an attempt to hide the identifying scar. This scar runs right along his left cheekbone to the point where the top of his ear attaches to his face. As "Dalton" aged, the scar became much more visible than it was when he was younger. I'm posting one of the touched-up photos and one which hasn't been touched-up. Hopefully, some members will be able to see what I see. The touch-up photo also attempts to cover up the rope burn scars on his neck which are very clear on the untouched photo. I will also post the photo from the front page of the Lawton Constitution in which the older Jesse's sideburns cover the top of the scar and his shirt collar covers up the rope burn scars but those who examined Dalton's body after his death testified that there were rope burn scars on his neck.
~Texas Jay

 

[okietreasurehunter]

Maybe you want it to be true so bad you see it but you still have to deal with the fact they have different shaped ears. This was noted as far back as 1951