Lue Map

[Spyro]

See - you've already made a few "connections". True - Walsh and family sold the mine - but those who purchased it "MAY" have moved the gold to the property.

Again - I speculated about that, as well as other "interesting" connections to the area whom were in the rail road industry; as I've posted.

Remember - I figured out the waybill FIRST - then tried to figure out who put it there and WHY.

Based on the cache layout and the preliminary findings using "21st Century" technology - there appears to be a three-pronged underground tunnel system.

Could it be the waybill identifies the secret location for Camp Bird mines' "Natural Fort Knox" storage location?

I won't know for certain, until I raise another million. OR .. if you want to be a LEGAL PARTNER .. you can "chip in" by buying a DRS X1 Pro as your contribution and we'll cut a deal with the property owner. If I'm full of CRAP and there's no gold - you can always resell it on eBay. WHO'S IN?

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[sdcfia]

The gold mine tailings theory is very interesting. A couple of things that caught my eye in the Wikipedia articles in regards to LUE lore.

Camp Bird named after birds that steal = Urraca (magpie or thieving bird)

Walsh's interest in early 20th c. aviation/Aero Club of MA = Miller/Mueller links to aviation industry

Walsh was long dead before any warnings of FDR's impending Gold Act in '34.. and his surviving family (mine owners) already fabulously wealthy... so who was running the mine in the early '30s that might consider pulling off burying tons of tailings ?

hmm.. interesting ! Walsh's daughter Evalyn married a BEALE : Edward Beale McLean, grandson of THE Edward Fitzgerald Beale.

Sdcfia, what was it you said about coincidences ? ;-)

I don't believe in coincidences. I do believe that American mine owners, bankers, railroaders, timber czars, politicians, etc. and their heirs likely cached large amounts of gold to either avoid taxation and/or confiscation, or to swell the assets of the Organization (top 1%) they may have belonged to.

 

[Spyro]

I'm not certain you "keyboard treasure hunters" are all that interested in doing more research, but you might want to learn the history of the Rio Grande Southern railroad - which was used to transport gold and silver "concentrates" from Ouray and Telluride down to Durango, where the "concentrates" were smelted. You'll quickly learn - it was a "wild and wicked" rail adventure in the high Rocky mountain elevations. In addition, Durango is where the Rio Grande Southern connected with the Denver & Rio Grande from where "concentrates" were also railed further to Alamosa.

Below you'll see a few black and white snapshots from 1940, showing the Fellin Brothers pick-up truck, with two men unloading the "concentrates" into a wheel barrow in the rail car. Note the small sign reads, "ASSIGNED FOR CONCENTRATE SERVICE BETWEEN SILVERTON AND ALAMOSA". Each of the railcars in the photos have the same sign.

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Now - since some believe it's EASY to actually "execute" a NIGHT RAID - and have NO REGARD for the potential negative ramifications if you're caught; or EATEN by a Mountain Lion. I detected another location using "21st Century" technology where one could easily conduct a "NIGHT RAID" to "recover" 500 ounces of gold coins; and I'd even tell you where it's located. Then again, I don't think a TOY metal detector used for "coin shooting" can work that deep.

Why would I bother to take the risk to "recover" (Randy reference intended) for a MEASLEY 500 ounces?

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[Spyro]

WAIT! I'm surprised one of you "keyboard treasure hunters" hasn't asked me where the 500 ounces in gold coins is buried! C'MON - I thought SOMEONE would want to make a NIGHT RAID and pocket 500 G's!

I'm guessin' you must know your CHEAPY toy metal detector doesn't work with caches that deep .. or sumthin'.

Pssssst - it's pretty close to the old Denver & Rio Grande rail line.

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[Ryano]

In the neighborhood of "Excelsior Ditch" ?

 

[Spyro]

No - you're off a bit. NOW - let's try this Einsteinian "Thought Experiment": if I tell you the location, how are you going to go about making a "NIGHT RAID"? OR - wouldn't it be smarter to contact the land owner and try to "cut a deal"?

Either way - how would YOU confirm it's there and to PRECISELY identify the cache depth? A cheap TOY metal detector won't do the job.

 

[sdcfia]

Only way to tell is dig a hole - you or someone else.

 

[Spyro]

So - what you're saying is - DIG A HOLE FIRST?

Your ANSWER should've been - BUY THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT TO VERIFY the cache is THERE, which can verify it from 1000 METERS away!

It's going to cost you a BIT MORE than a cheap TOY metal detector: the least expensive is a DRS X1 Pro - a new one costs $11,000.

Pfffft - "keyboard treasure hunters"

https://www.metaldetector.com/drs-p...MI4pvc4tfd3QIVhFmGCh3FlwwcEAAYASAAEgIeqfD_BwE

 

[sdcfia]

So - what you're saying is - DIG A HOLE FIRST?

Your ANSWER should've been - BUY THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT TO VERIFY the cache is THERE, which can verify it from 1000 METERS away!

It's going to cost you a BIT MORE than a cheap TOY metal detector: the least expensive is a DRS X1 Pro - a new one costs $11,000.

Pfffft - "keyboard treasure hunters"

https://www.metaldetector.com/drs-p...MI4pvc4tfd3QIVhFmGCh3FlwwcEAAYASAAEgIeqfD_BwE

Thought you did all that already, dude. Quit wringing your hands together - go dig it up.

 

[Spyro]

I'm not certain - what's jail time for trespassing and stealing $500,000?

Besides - I need the equipment to verify precise location and depth on the ground. You can only get so much precision using "21 century" technology: satellite and drone spectroscopy. If I dig - I want to know the EXACT place to dig and how deep when I'm on location. The DRS XR1 Pro will do the job. You "in"? (hehehehehe)

 

[sdcfia]

I'm not certain - what's jail time for trespassing and stealing $500,000? ... The DRS XR1 Pro will do the job. You "in"? (hehehehehe)

No, but if you get caught, just tell 'em you're looking for your dog. That got me off the hook several times in the past - twice with the same cowboy! Cowboys like dogs and will likely feel your pain and forgive you. Be sure to carry a photo of the pooch in your billfold. Of course, you're going to need to work up a plan to explain that shovel.

 

[motel6.5]

Careful, maybe the owner has a high powered rifle with a night scope,and just maybe he was trained like me in the military to shoot 1st and ask questions latter. Ya never know ? Take a loan from persons ya don"t know, you better be right,or end up like a lot of borrowers do here in L.Vegas pushing up cactus in the desert. Happened to a friend of mine here and he was the lender...Jon

 

[Holyground]

I don't get it. Why does the LUE map remind everyone of a dollar bill? The last thing the LUE reminds me of is money.

 

[Spyro]

SEE - motel6.5 stated my main fear. Bear in mind - cattle is extensively raised in that area and the owner has a stuffed Mountain Lion in his living room.

In other words, they take "predators" seriously out there. I don't want to be STUFFED and standing in someone's living room, after a trip to the taxidermist! Isn't it "wiser" to cut a deal with the land owner? I think so! I'm too young to die!

Holyground - see the attached snapshots

As I've mentioned before - if you look at the waybill in KvM's publications - the waybill is UPRIGHT or "portrait". However, when one reads KvM's description of the waybill, they interpret the orientation as "landscape".

"Heading north, the strip is POINT 63 miles long, the approach on landing is 144 degrees". These are terms used in aviation, as I'm mentioned a HUNERT times before.

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[Randy Bradford]

I don't get it. Why does the LUE map remind everyone of a dollar bill? The last thing the LUE reminds me of is money.

Pyramid, all seeing eye, column, bricks. All are on the map, all are on the dollar.

That said, most of those are also Masonic symbols...and the connection to the Masons and the designers of our paper money is pretty well established. Fact is the LUE has a lot more Masonic symbology....the Sun, the plumb, etc.

I've always had doubts about the relationship of the dollar bill to the LUE but I could be wrong. Similarities to me seem more based on a common "ancestry" so to speak then any efforts to tie the objects together directly.

This is one reason why finding a LUE reference before the 1960s would be a real step forward in understanding the history and nature of the map. Earlier versions would not only settle the question of its connection to money (by comparing it to cash of the time period), but would also suggest things about the map's origins. A good example would be that a pre-1940s version of the map would eliminate the alleged Nazi connection once and for all.

This is a big art of why the Charles O. Burch book would be so important to verify, as it would pre-date the Nazi theory (which is actually a very, very recent idea I might add) while also taking the map out of the pure province of Karl von Mueller. It could also add some much needed history of the map depending on what it said about the maps origins, timeline, source, etc. For the time being, however, Burch's book remains as elusive as the LUE itself.

 

[motel6.5]

Supposidly K.V.M., partner Hardrock Hammond, purchased the map from a old book store in Salt Lake City. I have no more imformation on the subject. That is and was Morman country,so the map could be Morman related in its history
Jon

 

[Spyro]

Pssssst - Burch's book doesn't exist, and it isn't NECESSARY. Seems to me - Burch's book was another "distraction". All the more proof, KvM never found ONE SPECK OF THE LUE. All you need is the waybill.

Not to be insulting Randy - but you continue to immerse yourself in KvM's writings for "clues". You DON'T NEED TO! Simply decipher the waybill.

To answer one of your questions per any added elements to "confuse people". Two people created the waybill. One person whom added the aeronautical elements and the other person "in charge" of laying out the cache site. That's why there are overlapping elements on the waybill.

If one figures out the waybill and the identified location - one can then ask, "WHO created it and WHY". Which leads to only a few conclusions.
1) The waybill is a HOAX. It's NOT. The measurements are too precise and cross "referrenced" with other elements. In other words, double proofed. Clarifying further, one measurement applies to TWO elements on the waybill.

2) The waybill was created by industrialists (Henry Ford, the Rockefellers, Prescott Bush, E.A. and Averill Harriman, et. al.) to hide their hoard from FDR; i.e., the Business Plot. In addition, those industrialists and bankers helped fund Hitler's rise in power - which began in the last 1920's. I've provided MANY download links to well referenced books. That would imply it was created after FDR became President - BEFORE Pearl Harbor and, before, during and AFTER World War II; operation "Safe Haven".

The OSS and Project SAFEHAVEN
Tracking Nazi "Gold"
Donald P. Steury
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...tions/csi-studies/studies/summer00/art04.html

3) The waybill was created due to the Rio Grande Southern rail road closing in the early 1950's. The premise would be, those who owned Camp Bird (Uracca) Mine, warehoused unrefined and refined gold near Durango. Once the Rio Grande Southern shut down, they moved their refined bullion closer to Camp Bird mine. Or, they no longer had the transportation "means" to move their refined inventory to their "secret" / alternative warehouse site and had their "inventory" flown to that location. I pointed out, Thomas Walsh was a MASON; per his daughters book, "Father Struck It Rich".

In addition, I've posted ONCE AGAIN - a BLARING HINT that you missed, shown in the 1930 map of the Denver & Rio Grande railroad: Farmington was the "end of the line" for the Denver & Rio Grande railroad, which connected with the Rio Grande Southern at Durango. 'nuf SAID! Use your BRAIN.

4) Both hypothesis point to the same point of origin. That's not the Sun on the waybill - it's a map "Legend", with precise angular orientation.

In addition, that ISN'T "The All Seeing Eye" on the waybill. It shows the point of origin on the property where a theodolite was used to layout the pyramid measurements ON THE GROUND, where the caches are located. If one deciphered the waybill, they'd know the elements which appear like a football, identify the sine wave locations on the property where four caches are hidden: 5.5 feet deep and 3 "bunkers" 55 feet deep. REMEMBER - the professional miners were CIVIL ENGINEERS who knew how to build TUNNELS. I've posted MANY references to the Triangle fraternity, founded by CIVIL ENGINEERS and their "logo" is the Triangle.

I'm doing my BEST to help you grasp - KvM never found ONE SPECK OF THE LUE. True, he may have found TRINKETS and TRASH in Black Lake swinging his toy metal detector along that wagon train trail, but not ONE SPECK OF THE LUE.

I'm not trying to be INSULTING - I'm trying to show you, you've looked in the WRONG place to decipher the waybill. BUT .. believe what you WISH (.. just make sure it's the TRUTH).

Your best friend,
Spyro

PS - I won't know for certain until I go "on the ground" and dig - AFTER I purchase the property OR after a cut a deal with the land owner, OR find an extra million to buy the property outright.

PSS - What would YOU do Randy if you knew the location?

PSSS - If I wanted to - I could PESTER the great grand Daughter of the person whom I believe drew the aeronautical elements on the waybill. I've tracked her down. But why should I? I know the location.

PSSSS - Randy - your INSISTENCE on believing and being IMMERSED in KvM "BS" reminds me of that FOOL Tom Hilton!

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[Randy Bradford]

Supposidly K.V.M., partner Hardrock Hammond, purchased the map from a old book store in Salt Lake City. I have no more imformation on the subject. That is and was Morman country,so the map could be Morman related in its history
Jon

Karl himself reports the map was borrowed by Hammond from a man in Phoenix. Utah only comes into the story as Karl reported that the Daughters of the Utah Pioneers had a copy in their archives. Hammond copied the map and by all accounts returned the original to it's owner.

 

[Randy Bradford]

I'm not trying to be INSULTING - I'm trying to show you, you've looked in the WRONG place to decipher the waybill. BUT .. believe what you WISH (.. just make sure it's the TRUTH).

Your best friend,
Spyro

PS - I won't know for certain until I go "on the ground" and dig - AFTER I purchase the property OR after a cut a deal with the land owner, OR find an extra million to buy the property outright.

PSS - What would YOU do Randy if you knew the location?

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Not insulted Spyro...I've never once suggested you were wrong.

More to the point, I've never suggested anything KvM wrote was true...I've merely supported my premises with the available information, the reader/researcher is free to assess those sources as they see fit or deem necessary.

I don't have to agree with anyone's conclusions to recognize their might be validity contained in them...or that someone else's ideas might help inspire me to re-approach my own ideas from new vantage points I might not have otherwise considered.

At the end of the day I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, or sell them on any sort of belief. My contributions are solely to share what I have available...how that's received, utilized, or interpreted is solely the responsibility of the reader.

 

[Spyro]

Your "premises" are SOLEY BASED on KvM's writings. Correct?

I'll tell you WHAT - I'll tell you the location and show you how to decipher ALL the elements on the waybill and WHY they point to ONE location. As I've posted MANY times before, I figured it out in a few weeks in my spare time, three years ago.

Now - after I tell you the location - tell me how YOU are going to "recover" the cache. OR .. are you just a "keyboard treasure hunter"?

Your best friend,
Spyro

PS - KvM sold "treasure lore" and never found ONE SPECK OF THE LUE.

PSS - What do you think an original LUE map is worth? I think I know the person whom might have it.