Legend of the Stone Maps

[EarnieP]

Old, bless your heart I always love your posts and agree with you most of the time, however the:

"It will be released to you in due time. Then you can slice, dice, agree or disagree to your heart's content.....When the research is complete and the project is done. There will be plenty to chew on for years to come."

is a bit heavy handed. I understand what you are trying to say, but it's coming across as someone (you, or is it others?) trying to control other people's posts. Which is of course the same as trying to control other people's thoughts. That's certainly never going to happen.

You've got me agreeing with releventchair of all people, please don't put me there.

[EDIT: Just pulling your leg RC, well sort of...]

 

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[deducer]

I can only tell you your anger and placement of judgment is misguided and premature.

Each person talking only knows about half the story (or less) and is 6 months out of date. Some of what has been written is so off base and totally incorrect its mindboggling. Where some of these "he said's" come from I have NO idea.

Both those probing for information and those gauging how much privileged information can be released without repercussion are to blame here. Those of you who just throw gasoline on the fire also know who you are and what your game is.

It will be released to you in due time. Then you can slice, dice, agree or disagree to your heart's content.....When the research is complete and the project is done. There will be plenty to chew on for years to come.

My good friend got a hand smack because (1) he stepped over a line in discussing information he was morally, and very likely also legally, bounded to keep safe. And; (2) because he misrepresented what was presented in less than its full manner, method and full context (3) and then applied motive generated by his supposed inside information. That motive by that "witness" is laughable if it wasn't so cruel and unjustified.

There has been FAR too much of that kind of seed planting over the last 60 years. Perpetuating that "style" isn't the goal. In fact; correcting all that BS has taken considerably longer than a project like this should have taken.

Carry on........rip me to shreds too. Won't chance the fact you are dead wrong on this condemnation. What happened had to happen because to not call a halt did a mis-service to you and to the family which this so deeply affects.

Lynda

Lynda,

Ryan is the one who chose to air dirty laundry in public and the responses have been a reflection of that choice. He has, to date, had major, public disagreements with at least three significant contributors in the DH community, one of who he forced into a public apology.

That is a very poor way to build relationships in this community, relationships that are necessary to understand the big picture as everyone has something to contribute, and you never know who might have the answers you're looking for.

 

[somehiker]

Hi Linda:

You said: "Where some of these "he said's" come from I have NO idea."

Unless you have missed some of RG's past posts, you should recognize where they originated.
And even though almost all of them have been deleted, and even some of yours, there are a few of us who are in the habit of saving others comments on and contributions to our favorite topics. For those who haven't, there are websites where entire threads.....and photos copied to subsequently quoted posts, are archived.....yours included.
So in the end, nothing is ever really lost to us.

 

[Hal Croves]

I can only tell you your anger and placement of judgment is misguided and premature.

Each person talking only knows about half the story (or less) and is 6 months out of date. Some of what has been written is so off base and totally incorrect its mindboggling. Where some of these "he said's" come from I have NO idea.

Both those probing for information and those gauging how much privileged information can be released without repercussion are to blame here. Those of you who just throw gasoline on the fire also know who you are and what your game is.

It will be released to you in due time. Then you can slice, dice, agree or disagree to your heart's content.....When the research is complete and the project is done. There will be plenty to chew on for years to come.

My good friend got a hand smack because (1) he stepped over a line in discussing information he was morally, and very likely also legally, bounded to keep safe. And; (2) because he misrepresented what was presented in less than its full manner, method and full context (3) and then applied motive generated by his supposed inside information. That motive by that "witness" is laughable if it wasn't so cruel and unjustified.

There has been FAR too much of that kind of seed planting over the last 60 years. Perpetuating that "style" isn't the goal. In fact; correcting all that BS has taken considerably longer than a project like this should have taken.

Carry on........rip me to shreds too. Won't chance the fact you are dead wrong on this condemnation. What happened had to happen because to not call a halt did a mis-service to you and to the family which this so deeply affects.

Lynda

Old,

Some of us know even less than half the story and are simply responding to what has been posted. Probing for information, speculating on what can/can not be said legally, I am honestly surprised to read that you disapprove of the process. It is a public forum. Information should flow openly, without fear of censorship. Obviously, I am not writing about contractual obligations, hand-shake agreements or, TNet rules.

I am equally surprised by what you have written in red which, no doubt readers here may find a little condescending. They just don't sound like your words.

IN BLUE: Almost too vague to understand. For the sake of clarity, I hope that you will be more specific.

Who is "dead wrong on this condemnation"? A public post was made on another site for no other reason than to embarrass and to discredit Frank in a matter that should have remain private. I find it obnoxious and entirely unprofessional. That may sound hypocritical coming from someone who challenged Frank at every turn but, to be fair, it was over his ideas and beliefs which, I consider fair game. It also worked both ways.

Doubtful that anyone here would want to "rip you to shreds".

But if you are going to post vague criticisms, brace yourself for the impending backlash.

Or not.

 

[azdave35]

I can only tell you your anger and placement of judgment is misguided and premature.

Each person talking only knows about half the story (or less) and is 6 months out of date. Some of what has been written is so off base and totally incorrect its mindboggling. Where some of these "he said's" come from I have NO idea.

Both those probing for information and those gauging how much privileged information can be released without repercussion are to blame here. Those of you who just throw gasoline on the fire also know who you are and what your game is.

It will be released to you in due time. Then you can slice, dice, agree or disagree to your heart's content.....When the research is complete and the project is done. There will be plenty to chew on for years to come.

My good friend got a hand smack because (1) he stepped over a line in discussing information he was morally, and very likely also legally, bounded to keep safe. And; (2) because he misrepresented what was presented in less than its full manner, method and full context (3) and then applied motive generated by his supposed inside information. That motive by that "witness" is laughable if it wasn't so cruel and unjustified.

There has been FAR too much of that kind of seed planting over the last 60 years. Perpetuating that "style" isn't the goal. In fact; correcting all that BS has taken considerably longer than a project like this should have taken.

Carry on........rip me to shreds too. Won't chance the fact you are dead wrong on this condemnation. What happened had to happen because to not call a halt did a mis-service to you and to the family which this so deeply affects.

Lynda

lynda....i never really ask ryan much about what he has uncovered with the tumlinsons...i'm with you..lets just wait until EVERYTHING is uncovered..sorted and verified...i'm content with waiting for the tv show ...ryan has shared some things with me and from what i can see this will be the most informative show ever on the superstition mountains

 

[azdave35]

Lynda,

Ryan is the one who chose to air dirty laundry in public and the responses have been a reflection of that choice. He has, to date, had major, public disagreements with at least three significant contributors in the DH community, one of who he forced into a public apology.

That is a very poor way to build relationships in this community, relationships that are necessary to understand the big picture as everyone has something to contribute, and you never know who might have the answers you're looking for.

deducer...i dont think ryan really needs any info from anyone around here...everyone around here has the same old stale info that has been circulated for decades..

 

[somehiker]

Does that mean we all shouldn't give him any info should he ask for it, Dave ?
Are you now speaking for Ryan ? Sounds kinda one-sided to me.
Seems to me there's been lots of folks in this community who have been consulted.
AND have helped him out in various ways.

 

[azdave35]

Does that mean we all shouldn't give him any info should he ask for it, Dave ?
Are you now speaking for Ryan ? Sounds kinda one-sided to me.
Seems to me there's been lots of folks in this community who have been consulted.
AND have helped him out in various ways.

wayne...yes...many people have helped ryan gather info for his project including me....he has learned all he needs to know from us here...

 

[somehiker]

wayne...yes...many people have helped ryan gather info for his project including me....he has learned all he needs to know from us here...

So it's a wrap then...eh.

 

[azdave35]

So it's a wrap then...eh.

eh...most be a canadian thing...lol

 

[somehiker]

eh...most be a canadian thing...lol

Just interjectin....same as "you know ? " or "huh ? "

 

[EarnieP]

Let me get this straight;

No one is to speculate concerning the Peralta Stones until 'They' release their next TV show in maybe two years?

Sweet as I am, the TNET monitors would ban me if I told you what I think about that.
And I'm probably the furthest thing from a Stoner logging on here. (Bill may have me beat, slightly.)

 

[azdave35]

Just interjectin....same as "you know ? " or "huh ? "

wayne...i know..lol..i have some canadian friends....also reminds me of an old show on tv...wasnt it bob and doug mckenzie?

 

[cactusjumper]

According to documentation described by RG previously, Travis had accumulated enough Money before his passing, and before any stones were sold, to be able to buy expensive cars, properties and other investments, and had a number of bank books showing ( I presume ) substantial deposits. If true, then I doubt he would have felt it necessary to sell the stones.
BUT.....in retrospect and given the explanation offered by Ryan, as to Travis' purpose in carving them, it might make sense for him to have attempted to do so, especially around AJ, since offering them for a price, rather than free would lend further credibility to any public claims he may have made.
But which stones did he try to peddle ? Did he show them to this person, or just say he had some to sell ?
They couldn't have been the stones in the museum, because we have now been told Travis never touched those stones ?
Maybe it was the smaller stones he was actually trying to sell.
And do these people have names other than "anonymous"?
Maybe it's time for them to come forward and share their story first hand.

Wayne,

Having not seen these documents, nor any authentication of them, I would need to take my friends word on what he personally witnessed. I will not decide the "time" they should come forward with what they know. "Anonymous" will just have to suffice for now.

Hope to see you at the Rendezvous.

Take care,

Joe

 

[somehiker]

wayne...i know..lol..i have some canadian friends....also reminds me of an old show on tv...wasnt it bob and doug mckenzie?

Honestly hope you'll consider me one, even after the snowball fight is over.
"How's it goin, eh ?"



Gave up on beer after college....upgraded to Canadian Club.....aka " CC ".
Probably the same as if you guys switched to Canadian brew.

 

[somehiker]

Let me get this straight;

No one is to speculate concerning the Peralta Stones until 'They' release their next TV show in maybe two years?

Sweet as I am, the TNET monitors would ban me if I told you what I think about that.
And I'm probably the furthest thing from a Stoner logging on here. (Bill may have me beat, slightly.)

With you Ernie....100%
That's one of the reasons I started posting here again.
While I'm happy to wait for the product to hit the shelves, I don't intend to go thirsty in the meantime.
Who knows what might turn up between now and then, and I for one, wouldn't want to miss a thing.

 

[azdave35]

Honestly hope you'll consider me one, even after the snowball fight is over.
"How's it goin, eh ?"



Gave up on beer after college....upgraded to Canadian Club.....aka " CC ".
Probably the same as if you guys switched to Canadian brew.

wayne....i really dont have any problem with anyone on this forum...i'm hoping to make it to the rendezvous this year to see everyone....as far as frank and ryan go..i know them both and i feel they can work out their differences....it may seem like i'm defending ryan but actually i'm just defending his research...i think he has accomplished a great deal in a short time and i'm anxious to see the show...frank and ryan are grown men and they dont need anyone defending them..if you make it to the rendezvous i'll be happy to have a drink (non alcoholic) with you

 

[Old]

Don't warp this into something it isn't and don't pretend several posters haven't made pointed and disparaging remarks LONG before todays interactions. Most, if not all of them, based on false or misleading information. All of which were ignored and unchallenged for the benefit of free and open dialog. Those arrow were sent, delivered and suffered in silence for the good of the whole, including you.

Its an open forum and your thoughts, viewpoint, your study, even your musings, are not only welcomed by me and I believe all others, they are the very purpose of this forum. I may agree or disagree with you, write counter or supporting post. This isn't about that. But I think you know that.

Several of you wouldn't want me sharing your private messages and phone conversations on things you hold dear. Especially on a public forum. I don't and I won't----ever. That's my solemn duty whether you are my friend today or my worst enemy tomorrow. Its a matter of trust. Leaving totally aside any legalities, holding that that has been provided in trust carries a sacred bond of honor. It doesn't matter whether I think it trivial or unimportant. Its the solemn bond, my word, that I gave as a prerequisite to receiving it that matters.

This affects dozens of people on a very personal level. You (generalize you) think nothing of trashing people's relatives, livelihood, personal and professional integrity, on a mistaken turn of a phrase taken totally out of context. People that aren't even here to defend themselves. For what? A good day on the forum? Congratulations you get post of the day. At what costs? Who's integrity should be squandered that easily for so little? It hurts me deeply to see the people I know as friends broken asunder so unnecessarily. Could you not wait another six/nine months to open discussion??

It affects you the reader as well. Its especially damaging and counter-productive to release that information out of context, or extremely abbreviated, without the circumstances surrounding it that has the very real possibility of changing the entire meaning, viability, or context of the released tid-bit. That's called spin. It does nothing to further the search/truth and has the very real possibility of damaging anyone it touches. AS THIS HAS DONE.

This is my final post on the subject. Maybe forever.

 

[nobodie]

This is so confusing.

 

[Hal Croves]

This is so confusing.

I am right there with you nobodie.
I think that EarnieP described it best as "drama", perhaps intentional.

It will start up again once the final product is scheduled for release.
In the mean time, if you want some answers, read thru that post again.

The author has tipped his hand.