Legend of the Stone Maps

[somehiker]

Ryan G wrote how Travis family made it clear to Greg Davis how the stone tablets which are at the Museum were not carved by Travis . Is just what I have supported from the beginning .

I'd say that they are darn good copies though, of the stones in both the original "bumper photo" as well as those seen in the "perfect replicas on the white cloth" photo.
So unless it wasn't Travis who shot the photos on that film, and they weren't taken in Hood River as previously claimed, it still appears as though he handled the originals, from which the "museum stones" were copied at some point.
And those don't look any different than the ones published in Clarence Mitchell's book IMO.

 

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[Hal Croves]

Hal,

"Seven hours of climbing and cutting yesterday..." Are you back in the Superstition? Pit mine?

Only in my mind.

A words of advice when dealing with friends.
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[markmar]

Wayne

The " bumper photo " is black&white . Not colors to compare with .
Also Travis family were talking about " the shape and the size " which were not the same with " the rocks " that Travis carved .

 

[Hal Croves]

Ναί !

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[somehiker]

Wayne

The " bumper photo " is blank&white . Not colors to compare with .

I have always maintained that the trail stones on display at the museum were not the ones seen in the " bumper photo ".
Just close enough perhaps, to still be of some use......if they were based on something authentic that Travis did possess.
But if Travis didn't base his own carvings on genuine artifacts, then it follows that anything found by someone using them in their own search will have nothing to do with Travis or his descendants.

 

[sgtfda]

What did you find Wayne?

 

[markmar]

I have always maintained that the trail stones on display at the museum were not the ones seen in the " bumper photo ".
Just close enough perhaps, to still be of some use......if they were based on something authentic that Travis did possess.
But if Travis didn't base his own carvings on genuine artifacts, then it follows that anything found by someone using them in their own search will have nothing to do with Travis or his descendants.

I have edited the post you have quoted . Has more to dismiss Travis .

 

[somehiker]

Wayne

The " bumper photo " is black&white . Not colors to compare with .
Also Travis family were talking about " the shape and the size " which were not the same with " the rocks " that Travis carved .

Yes they were....said they had never seen the trail stones before, that they remembered seeing the H/P stone but the other stones which Travis had were smaller and all the same color as the H/P stone. Can't remember offhand, if they said he carved those, but I'm wondering.

 

[somehiker]

What did you find Wayne?

Nothin....

But I ain't done looking......you know why

 

[sgtfda]

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[cactusjumper]

All,

I believe that two things motivated Travis. Money and fame. Just because he didn't succeed with either, does not negate the possibilities they were his motivation. A good friend, who was around at the time, told me Travis did try to peddle the stones. It does seem to make sense.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[cactusjumper]

Don Jose,

You have a pretty good memory. Actually, the story was told by the uncle of the man who's spurs were destroyed. It starts out with a tale about a Kingfisher type bird who made their nests in a solid cliff wall. They fly to the cliffs with some leaves in their beaks and rub them against the stone. After a few such trips, they peck at the spot. After many trips, they eventually have made a hole large enough to nest in.

The nephew of the man who told the story, explained how his nephew's horse went lame one day, and he had to walk home. He took a shortcut which took him through a field of thick brush. The plant grew about a foot high, with dark reddish leaves. When he got home, he discovered that his spurs had been eaten down to about an eighth of an inch.

It was believed that the Inca used the "mordant" derived from the same plant, to soften their stones and make them fit closely together. It was said that the liquid from the plants, made the solid stone turn into a clay-like substance.

Good story.

Take care,

Joe

Don Jose,

Forgot to mention that my source for the information in this post was from "Exploration Faucett". The book was put together by his son, Brian Fawcett from his father's manuscripts, letters, log-book and records. My copy is signed by Brian Fawcett. Good adventure book for anyone to read.

EBay has some copies here:

Exploration Faucett in Books | eBay


Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[somehiker]

All,

I believe that two things motivated Travis. Money and fame. Just because he didn't succeed with either, does not negate the possibilities they were his motivation. A good friend, who was around at the time, told me Travis did try to peddle the stones. It does seem to make sense.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

According to documentation described by RG previously, Travis had accumulated enough Money before his passing, and before any stones were sold, to be able to buy expensive cars, properties and other investments, and had a number of bank books showing ( I presume ) substantial deposits. If true, then I doubt he would have felt it necessary to sell the stones.
BUT.....in retrospect and given the explanation offered by Ryan, as to Travis' purpose in carving them, it might make sense for him to have attempted to do so, especially around AJ, since offering them for a price, rather than free would lend further credibility to any public claims he may have made.
But which stones did he try to peddle ? Did he show them to this person, or just say he had some to sell ?
They couldn't have been the stones in the museum, because we have now been told Travis never touched those stones ?
Maybe it was the smaller stones he was actually trying to sell.
And do these people have names other than "anonymous"?
Maybe it's time for them to come forward and share their story first hand.

 

[deducer]

With the fervor of a great detective, I think Frank sees the Tumlinson legend as a "cold case" worthy of his attention and expertise.
That Travis got away with something, and that he DID have an ulterior motive. As a result, he and Ryan have given us....both stoners and moaners....plenty of new evidence to peruse and discuss.....mostly in a respectfully adult manner for those so inclined.
While I may agree or disagree with various aspects and some of the interpretations of said evidence, I heartily support their efforts and contributions to this subject.

Stoners and moaners.. That's a catchy phrase. I'll have to file that one away.

 

[somehiker]

Stoners and moaners.. That's a catchy phrase. I'll have to file that one away.

How's the cafe riding been this year ?
Used to love the long summer evening rides.

 

[Old]

I can only tell you your anger and placement of judgment is misguided and premature.

Each person talking only knows about half the story (or less) and is 6 months out of date. Some of what has been written is so off base and totally incorrect its mindboggling. Where some of these "he said's" come from I have NO idea.

Both those probing for information and those gauging how much privileged information can be released without repercussion are to blame here. Those of you who just throw gasoline on the fire also know who you are and what your game is.

It will be released to you in due time. Then you can slice, dice, agree or disagree to your heart's content.....When the research is complete and the project is done. There will be plenty to chew on for years to come.

My good friend got a hand smack because (1) he stepped over a line in discussing information he was morally, and very likely also legally, bounded to keep safe. And; (2) because he misrepresented what was presented in less than its full manner, method and full context (3) and then applied motive generated by his supposed inside information. That motive by that "witness" is laughable if it wasn't so cruel and unjustified.

There has been FAR too much of that kind of seed planting over the last 60 years. Perpetuating that "style" isn't the goal. In fact; correcting all that BS has taken considerably longer than a project like this should have taken.

Carry on........rip me to shreds too. Won't chance the fact you are dead wrong on this condemnation. What happened had to happen because to not call a halt did a mis-service to you and to the family which this so deeply affects.

Lynda

 

[releventchair]

When did you sign a N.D.A. with someone beyond /above Ryan?
What allowed you to?
You get cut out for lack of desirability for whatever reason ,so be it. Welcome to hollywood baby!

If the truth is forthcoming soon , the opportunity to speculate is fading.
Till ,when / if .......I'll be as wrong as I like, misguided and premature . I'm under no contractual obligation of a gag order and not waiting for a release by a party not communicating with or even on this site. I can change my mind after when / if just fine .
Is there a contract signed assuring a release within two years by those demanding the silence of others by contract? Or are contracts with ryans superiors a one sided deal...
Is this site a wait on some ones ( many peoples) Production release before speculating?
Then let it continue unmolested without a strawman trying to quiet any dislike about a process by those with no part of said process.

A final question: why was hollywood established on the west coast? What an irony.

 

[EarnieP]

Stoners and moaners.. That's a catchy phrase. I'll have to file that one away.

Don't forget us 'groaners'.

 

[deducer]

How's the cafe riding been this year ?
Used to love the long summer evening rides.

Didn't find the time to get out there, but have two project bikes I'll be rebuilding this winter. One is a rare Yamaha xs1b. Only 10k were built. That will be a fun project.

 

[somehiker]

Didn't find the time to get out there, but have two project bikes I'll be rebuilding this winter. One is a rare Yamaha xs1b. Only 10k were built. That will be a fun project.

Nice....imagine it will be.