Legend of the Stone Maps

[EarnieP]

Hal,

"leave Sebastian bound to his stake.
It just feels like you are adding arrows to the quiver. "

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You never cease to educate me Hal, I appreciate it. Interesting story!

 

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[sdcfia]

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Similar to Jesuit/Catholic, but I don't think it's theirs.
No circle....just the cross and the multiple radials...and the red oblong boulder.

Looks like some sort of pointer or navigational notation. Hard to say if the radials are supposed to represent compass divisions (traditionally 32) or something else. The cross isn't Christian - maybe just a divider, or another type of cross. I found something vaguely similar occupying a turning point in a rather precise geometric pattern of carvings and other clues. The ledge my canteen is sitting on was the directional indicator. Just out of morbid curiosity, is the azimuth 337° (or complements such as 23°) associated with your find?

 

[deducer]

somehiker,

Yesterday when I read the article, I could swear that it mentioned a working title.
Peralta/something, something, something.

Not there this morning. If edits are made on that site, is there a way to tell?

Thanks.

As somehiker mentions, it's a good idea to save posts from that site before they invariably disappear because the mod of that particular forum is apparently the judge, jury, and executioner

Quick and easy way to do that is to do a screen capture, command-shift-4 on a Mac, or alt-prtsc or prtsc for Windows.

 

[somehiker]

Looks like some sort of pointer or navigational notation. Hard to say if the radials are supposed to represent compass divisions (traditionally 32) or something else. The cross isn't Christian - maybe just a divider, or another type of cross. I found something vaguely similar occupying a turning point in a rather precise geometric pattern of carvings and other clues. The ledge my canteen is sitting on was the directional indicator. Just out of morbid curiosity, is the azimuth 337° (or complements such as 23°) associated with your find?

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Not sure of any particular azimuth in play, other than maybe the red rock at the 270 being part of a sighting setup for one, but it's large enough that when I fist noticed it a few years ago, I dismissed it as an old navaid left over from the AAF days of WW2. Many pilots trained at bases in the area to the west and SW, and it might have been painted and easy to see from the air back then. Now that I've zero'd in on this area for different reasons, I'll be going back for a more thorough examination.

 

[sailaway]

I have touched on this in the past, but the story that Frank has related may just go back to the Great Schism. The Churches own records show that the Wealthy of Constantinople gathered together their wealth and left never to be seen again. This would also explain why there was swords from the 1200's Crusades found in Arizona. Back in thread 'Are Jesuit Treasures Real' I gave the link to the Church records of the taking of properties left behind by those who left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople
They had the Crown of Thorns so did they also have the Sword of Tuble Cain and brought it to Arizona and what the Church is really looking for? AKA Spear of Destiny. What about the Holy Grail? did they bring that also? if so this treasure trove on state trust land is the greatest treasure of all time.

Draw a line between Black Point and Don's Camp and it goes through this on State Trust Land, and the Canyon mouth is marked with a budding cross on a cliff face.

 

[somehiker]

I have touched on this in the past, but the story that Frank has related may just go back to the Great Schism. The Churches own records show that the Wealthy of Constantinople gathered together their wealth and left never to be seen again. This would also explain why there was swords from the 1200's Crusades found in Arizona. Back in thread 'Are Jesuit Treasures Real' I gave the link to the Church records of the taking of properties left behind by those who left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople
They had the Crown of Thorns so did they also have the Sword of Tuble Cain and brought it to Arizona and what the Church is really looking for? AKA Spear of Destiny. What about the Holy Grail? did they bring that also? if so this treasure trove on state trust land is the greatest treasure of all time.
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Draw a line between Black Point and Don's Camp and it goes through this on State Trust Land, and the Canyon mouth is marked with a budding cross on a cliff face.

I think you are confusing sdcfia with sgtfda.....yer probably not the only one though.
You"re real close sailaway.
You should out to that bare spot and take some photos to post.

 

[deducer]

Don't warp this into something it isn't and don't pretend several posters haven't made pointed and disparaging remarks LONG before todays interactions. Most, if not all of them, based on false or misleading information. All of which were ignored and unchallenged for the benefit of free and open dialog. Those arrow were sent, delivered and suffered in silence for the good of the whole, including you.

Its an open forum and your thoughts, viewpoint, your study, even your musings, are not only welcomed by me and I believe all others, they are the very purpose of this forum. I may agree or disagree with you, write counter or supporting post. This isn't about that. But I think you know that.

Several of you wouldn't want me sharing your private messages and phone conversations on things you hold dear. Especially on a public forum. I don't and I won't----ever. That's my solemn duty whether you are my friend today or my worst enemy tomorrow. Its a matter of trust. Leaving totally aside any legalities, holding that that has been provided in trust carries a sacred bond of honor. It doesn't matter whether I think it trivial or unimportant. Its the solemn bond, my word, that I gave as a prerequisite to receiving it that matters.

This affects dozens of people on a very personal level. You (generalize you) think nothing of trashing people's relatives, livelihood, personal and professional integrity, on a mistaken turn of a phrase taken totally out of context. People that aren't even here to defend themselves. For what? A good day on the forum? Congratulations you get post of the day. At what costs? Who's integrity should be squandered that easily for so little? It hurts me deeply to see the people I know as friends broken asunder so unnecessarily. Could you not wait another six/nine months to open discussion??

It affects you the reader as well. Its especially damaging and counter-productive to release that information out of context, or extremely abbreviated, without the circumstances surrounding it that has the very real possibility of changing the entire meaning, viability, or context of the released tid-bit. That's called spin. It does nothing to further the search/truth and has the very real possibility of damaging anyone it touches. AS THIS HAS DONE.

This is my final post on the subject. Maybe forever.

It unfortunately seems as if you're taking on the thin-skinned personality and likeness of your employer. Discussions on this forum will continue, whether you leave or not, so the loss would be yours. Honestly I hope that you will stay with us, because you have had a number of great insights, and your research skills are second to none. I enjoy reading your posts.

For in the end, what you and Ryan will come to learn is that the Travis Tumlinson story as some of us already know, isn't the great be-all and end-all it's being made out to be (after all, didn't he die penniless and without having found anything, as he, himself, even admitted in his manuscript?), but in reality forms just a chapter in what will come to be known as a great and fascinating book if things unfold as I think and hope they will.

 

[Hal Croves]

It unfortunately seems as if you're taking on the thin-skinned personality and likeness of your employer. Discussions on this forum will continue, whether you leave or not, so the loss would be yours. Honestly I hope that you will stay with us, because you have had a number of great insights, and your research skills are second to none. I enjoy reading your posts.

For in the end, what you and Ryan will come to learn is that the Travis Tumlinson story as some of us already know, isn't the great be-all and end-all it's being made out to be (after all, didn't he die penniless and without having found anything, as he, himself, even admitted in his manuscript?), but in reality forms just a chapter in what will come to be known as a great and fascinating book if things unfold as I think and hope they will.

I would go one step further and write that Old's participation in that project will keep it relatively grounded, and if such a thing exists, honest.

Anyway, what I find curious is the "working" title.

PERALTA/.......

Seem the name is still relevant.

 

[EarnieP]

It unfortunately seems as if you're taking on the thin-skinned personality and likeness of your employer. Discussions on this forum will continue, whether you leave or not, so the loss would be yours. Honestly I hope that you will stay with us, because you have had a number of great insights, and your research skills are second to none. I enjoy reading your posts.

For in the end, what you and Ryan will come to learn is that the Travis Tumlinson story as some of us already know, isn't the great be-all and end-all it's being made out to be (after all, didn't he die penniless and without having found anything, as he, himself, even admitted in his manuscript?), but in reality forms just a chapter in what will come to be known as a great and fascinating book if things unfold as I think and hope they will.

Old, now you have me in the extremely awkward position of also somewhat agreeing with the great omniscient deducer. (Kharon's thermometer is beginning to frost up!))
This has got to stop, PLEASE!

Don't abandon us OLD, for the sake of all that's good in humanity please do continue posting.

 

[Real of Tayopa]

Some hiker, SDC, my friends, that compas rose, to me, looks suspiciously like \mother natures handiwork, it is not man mad, Se, but fascinating.

 

[releventchair]

I would go one step further and write that Old's participation in that project will keep it relatively grounded, and if such a thing exists, honest.

Anyway, what I find curious is the "working" title.

PERALTA/.......



Seem the name is still relevant.

I found the film company's background and location curious ,but Old ( nor any one) did not take the bait.
Curiosity sells though. A fascination with romantic wild west tales, regardless of where the audience lives or accuracy of the tale.

 

[sgtfda]

I think you are confusing sdcfia with sgtfda.....yer probably not the only one though.
You"re real close sailaway.
You should out to that bare spot and take some photos to post.

It appears that is the case Wayne. If you don't look close and your eyesight is off that mistake can be made.

 

[Azquester]

Looks like some sort of pointer or navigational notation. Hard to say if the radials are supposed to represent compass divisions (traditionally 32) or something else. The cross isn't Christian - maybe just a divider, or another type of cross. I found something vaguely similar occupying a turning point in a rather precise geometric pattern of carvings and other clues. The ledge my canteen is sitting on was the directional indicator. Just out of morbid curiosity, is the azimuth 337° (or complements such as 23°) associated with your find?

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What I've found all lines up with true north. They used true north not magnetic. Ships Navigation comes to mind. Which of course is what they used to get here, whomever they were.

Speaking of Treasure, I have one already located by dependable and reliable real geophysics if anyone's game for a recovery. It's on State Trust Land so dig up your Lawyer.

60 feet down.

I can't go it alone anymore to much for one man already tried it and had to give it up. No looking, no following signs, no measuring, no need for bringing in a dowser or a "Treasure Wizard", and, no damn stone maps from OZ to follow. I have all the paper work to prove it's a real target.

Just drill or dig your choice. I suppose you could define the object with the next phase which costs about 10k so you could "SEE" the exact target shape. I'll pitch in 5k.

 

[sailaway]

Thanks Wayne and Frank for the correction, did not mean to get folks mixed up but just shows late nights and Specks do show our age.
P.S. Old asked us to wait 6 months but thought there was going to be a showing of the film at the Don's camp this year? or is that a teaser to get folks to spend money?
Bill I like the reference to Dead W reckoning Navigation which was named that because the likelihood of just being close could lead a ship to end its voyage in disaster.

 

[sgtfda]

There are many false engravings back in those mountains.

 

[sdcfia]

Some hiker, SDC, my friends, that compas rose, to me, looks suspiciously like \mother natures handiwork, it is not man mad, Se, but fascinating.

You're partially correct, Don Jose. The narrow ledge and a couple cracks are obviously nature's work. However, the central hole and a few more radials were chiseled later - the result being a "sun symbol" of sorts. I could show some mighty interesting stuff about this, but I don't wish to deflect the PSM discussion any further.

 

[markmar]

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Similar to Jesuit/Catholic, but I don't think it's theirs.
No circle....just the cross and the multiple radials...and the red oblong boulder.

Wayne

They were all soldiers of Jesus . There was a transition from the first order soldiers to the second/last . To me , only one image come into my mind of a soldier wearing a robe with a cross on it's shoulder . An early Jesus soldier holding a Cross ( like his sword ) of the last ( in order/time ) soldier .
And for the " Sun Cross " and other you can read at Sun Cross

 

[Real of Tayopa]

I, for one, would welcome that SDC I often hear of opening a new post, but do you realize that we would end up with more subjects than the Encyclopedia Britanica

As the conversation progresses and develops, naturallyy new materiel develops, and in the neanwhile the origional points are clarified. So we don't need a new post for every development.. sheesh

 

[jeff of pa]

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[somehiker]

Some hiker, SDC, my friends, that compas rose, to me, looks suspiciously like \mother natures handiwork, it is not man mad, Se, but fascinating.

Don't know whether you ever noticed Joseph, but man-made stuff....even some major structures tend to blend into natural forms with the passage of time, and lack of maintenance.
That's why new and historically significant things are constantly being found, by people that notice and question them, rather than merely dismissing them as "natural".

I don't know if I would call it a compass rose, but his rock carving looks hand-of-man to me. I would certainly consider it worthy of further study.

With that in mind, I was just comparing the ground position of the rosette....Latin--"Rosa".... that I am interested in (knowing where it is, I can just make it out in sat views, being partly obscured by brush etc.), and it may very well be what and where the "R" is located on the Stone Map-Cross. There's more to this of course, but I ain't gonna talk about it just yet.