Legend of the Stone Maps

[somehiker]

I would think that experienced and intelligent beings, having prepared food grains by use of mano and matate for hundreds of generations, could figure out a similar way to make even larger stones fit as well as the Inca did. It would only require an abrasive slurry between the surfaces, enough labor to manipulate the stones, and some device that could be locked onto the stone and used to move it back and forth or even up and down in a repetitive manner, as one does a mano....IMO

 

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[sailaway]

Wayne, you chose an article that bases its story on three Professional Surveyors opinions, yet in my research I find that the corporations own records of reports do not show such a survey? In fact of the three who were quoted 2 actually filed one report each on other projects rather than the Stone Maps and one never filed anything. These people are your experts? Yes, they are educated, but did the survey actually happen? I went to the records department to gain access to the report. Thing I noticed first off was that the pictured stones are the reproductions that Flagg Foundation had made not the originals. I have personally examined the Stone Maps and find it hard to believe they are listed as sandstone, by University Geology Departments there are 3 known examinations of which none of the examiners stated that the stones were made from sandstone. Maybe Mike can shed some light as he has actually made contact with examiners of the stones in the California Universities?
actual reports :
http://www.desert.com/pubs/DAI_project_reports_2002-2011.pdf

 

[somehiker]

Wayne, you chose an article that bases its story on three Professional Surveyors opinions, yet in my research I find that the corporations own records of reports do not show such a survey? In fact of the three who were quoted 2 actually filed one report each on other projects rather than the Stone Maps and one never filed anything. These people are your experts? Yes, they are educated, but did the survey actually happen? I went to the records department to gain access to the report. Thing I noticed first off was that the pictured stones are the reproductions that Flagg Foundation had made not the originals. I have personally examined the Stone Maps and find it hard to believe they are listed as sandstone, by University Geology Departments there are 3 known examinations of which none of the examiners stated that the stones were made from sandstone. Maybe Mike can shed some light as he has actually made contact with examiners of the stones in the California Universities?
actual reports :
http://www.desert.com/pubs/DAI_project_reports_2002-2011.pdf

Thanks for the corrections sailaway....
Your research skills never cease to amaze me. But way back, in another thread about the DA report, I had also questioned the obvious color differences of the trail stones used n that photograph, and was assured by others that this was due to some special filter on the camera.....
What types of stone do you believe they are ?
I'd certainly like to see those three University reports which you have mentioned knowing of, and what stone they all agreed on as the type and origin.

 

[markmar]

Three things I believe....once you are close enough to see them all.
Because there is more than one "end" point very close to each other, including at a second (much larger) CP rock.
These are:
The red heart stone.....down low
The CP drawing page.....up high
Something really cool.....in between

Of course, I could be wrong

Wayne

On the CP rock , the middle line of the map ( Noto Triangulum ) is orientated to the west and little SW ?

 

[somehiker]

Wayne

On the CP rock , the middle line of the map ( Noto Triangulum ) is orientated to the west and little SW ?

Didn't put a compass on it, but that would probably be pretty close.

 

[markmar]

Didn't put a compass on it, but that would probably be pretty close.

The " Triangulum " is the final target . If you will find the specific triangle , you will find the pit .

 

[somehiker]

I've already looked over the saddle above. No pit that I could see, but would be a nice safe place to corral a few horses or mules.
I did overlook a low pile of broken rocks, about eight or ten feet in diameter just below the ledge I had to use to access the CP.
I was looking for something else at the time.

 

[markmar]

The advice to " observe the triangle " , in the Latin heart is from about 500 feet from the target and in the CP map is from about 300 feet .

 

[somehiker]

The advice to " observe the triangle " , in the Latin heart is from about 500 feet from the target and in the CP map is from about 300 feet .

At 500 or 300 ft. away from the CP, you would be at least 100' above the canyon floor.....and floating in mid air.
Can't see it from down there anywhere.

 

[markmar]

At 500 or 300 ft. away from the CP, you would be at least 100' above the canyon floor.....and floating in mid air.
Can't see it from down there anywhere.

The target is to the north in comparison with the direction of middle line in the CP ( rock ) map .

 

[somehiker]

Probably only a few steps away Marius.
Like the cave with a cross-topped box just above.
That box to the right (north) of where the noto triangulum is written on the drawing, and also to where a second, fainter traingle can be seen above and between the deeper heart and triangle shown on the drawing. The lower triangle has a hole just to the left of it.

 

[markmar]

Probably only a few steps away Marius.
Like the cave with a cross-topped box just above.

Wayne

I am not kidding . The CP rock shows how to apply the CP map on the Latin heart . The Latin heart points to south , so the target is to the right ( north ) .

 

[markmar]

The hole left from the triangle shows where is the shaft in regards with the triangle , like the line which ends out of the triangle .

 

[somehiker]

If the target is the cave....it's empty now.
So was the one at the first CP rock I found, really only a narrow passage between the CP rock, another rock, and the cliff face, but there WAS something that seemed to point elsewhere.
Which was the smaller piece of the broken heartstone.....an arch shape with a zig-zag line or "Z" that matches a Z above and to the left of the second CP, and where the drawing says "fornix". I think that's pretty cool.

 

[markmar]

Wayne

I believe the CP rock is not in the Latin heart area . Maybe is somewhere else and has a mark or a symbol to show the distance and the orientation from the real area . .

 

[markmar]

I post a piece ( GE image ) of the real Latin heart region . You can see the " Fauces " and below the " Triangulum " shadow on the mountain edge .

 

[sailaway]

Wayne I can not make a determination of type of stone they are without a hardness test, a spectrum analysis of composition, and chemical test. I was so looking forward to seeing such test done by professionals was why I went looking for the report as that would narrow down source of the stones. I know you already know of the reports done in California as you were the last one to commit on the other server that stated where Mike had been in contact with those Universities Geological Departments whom confirmed the people involved were heads of those departments when the stones were there. My own experience and geologic knowledge comes from A's in Geology at a higher education university along with working drilling rigs in Colorado where we had to sample to determine what layer the rig was at along with known depth.
Petrography : Putting stone under the microscope | Stone Specialist

 

[somehiker]

I post a piece ( GE image ) of the real Latin heart region . You can see the " Fauces " and below the " Triangulum " shadow on the mountain edge .

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Back in 2010, and before I made my first hike into the general area where I believe all of this applies, I viewed/interpreted/downloaded/marked and printed out a number of GE views to take along for pinpoint guidance. That was when GE was becoming useful to a greater extent than ever before, with resolution and color differences/shading down to about three feet. It helped me to find what I thought was relevant, but very little of it turned out to be very useful. While there has been some improvement since then, I still find things quite a bit different on the ground than they appear on GE or any other sat view, although I have saved one GE screenshot that has my rental car in it, exactly where I was parked on a given day. Thought that was pretty cool too.
As I've explained before, I suspect the LH applies to what's stored inside a facility within the mountain, rather than a surface area.
With the words and the matching numbers being the two parts of a coded "account key", similar to that used for Swiss bank accounts.
That it's more of a ledger, than a "map"
Fr. Joseph Och mentions these codes in his account of the expulsion.

 

[somehiker]

Wayne I can not make a determination of type of stone they are without a hardness test, a spectrum analysis of composition, and chemical test. I was so looking forward to seeing such test done by professionals was why I went looking for the report as that would narrow down source of the stones. I know you already know of the reports done in California as you were the last one to commit on the other server that stated where Mike had been in contact with those Universities Geological Departments whom confirmed the people involved were heads of those departments when the stones were there. My own experience and geologic knowledge comes from A's in Geology at a higher education university along with working drilling rigs in Colorado where we had to sample to determine what layer the rig was at along with known depth.

Petrography : Putting stone under the microscope | Stone Specialist

Sounds like you're talking about the claims that a Professor Dana at Redlands University examined the stones back when Clarence Mitchell had them.
That's one university, not three. I've never heard of any others, and as I recall, my comments on that thread were in relationship to other documentation from Gary's collection saying the stones were at a facility in California during the period when the Peck investigation was underway. That appears to lend support to Mike's contribution to the stone map saga. That's all.
I doubt that any intrusive tests will ever be performed on the stones....visual assessments only.
Personally, I don't care a whole lot about exactly what they are made from, or why you might believe they are something other than what the folks at DA said they were.
They could be made from poured concrete (sand mix or stucco) for all I care. What has always been important to me is what's on them, and how it relates to any other things I've been working with now or in the past.
Wouldn't be surprised though, if the grey/white HP stone turned out to be a slab of volcanic tuff, sourced at the same place to which it applies.

 

[cactusjumper]

Homar ni buddy, you are correct about certain plants having silicon dissolving abilities, i f i recall correctly, Col Fawcet remarked how after walking in a field of a certain succulent he found his spurs dissolving, and in south Amrica they have a bird that nests in granite kn holes which it picks out, after rubbing parts of a plant on it until it soften enough to be easily pecked out. Perhaps this is how the inca was able to fit their stone wall blocks with impossible angles that can be achieved by grinding, and so close that a knife blade cannot slid between the fitted edges They merely softened the stone to where it wa similar to very soft putty , placed the stone into position, then countered the softening, or nature did hmmmm

Don Jose,

You have a pretty good memory. Actually, the story was told by the uncle of the man who's spurs were destroyed. It starts out with a tale about a Kingfisher type bird who made their nests in a solid cliff wall. They fly to the cliffs with some leaves in their beaks and rub them against the stone. After a few such trips, they peck at the spot. After many trips, they eventually have made a hole large enough to nest in.

The nephew of the man who told the story, explained how his nephew's horse went lame one day, and he had to walk home. He took a shortcut which took him through a field of thick brush. The plant grew about a foot high, with dark reddish leaves. When he got home, he discovered that his spurs had been eaten down to about an eighth of an inch.

It was believed that the Inca used the "mordant" derived from the same plant, to soften their stones and make them fit closely together. It was said that the liquid from the plants, made the solid stone turn into a clay-like substance.

Good story.

Take care,

Joe