Legend of the Stone Maps

[sdcfia]

One of the first things I learned from my uncle, was.....never go into the Superstitions with someone you don't trust. That holds true for any wilderness trips. Just one of the things that newbies might not know.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

When you've got a mission to accomplish, a second hand might be necessary. Choose wisely.

When I'm exploring, I go alone. Prepare wisely. If you have a good four-legged scout, take one along. These three have led me to an unbelievable number of old mines, camps, caves, skirmish sites and Native ruins. Dogs seem to sense past human presence. RIP, all.

 

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[gollum]

Beautiful dogs! I am definitely a dog person. Wilderness dogs need two main types of training:

1. Rattlesnake Avoidance (easy for anybody to do)

2. Cholla Avoidance. Not so easy. Actually, its very easy; just let them get stuck when they are young. That happens a couple of times and they never do it again. They just need to learn to not go crazy when chasing jackrabbits and ground squirrels! HAHAHA

Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Bestest possible SDC, I agree.

 

[azdave35]

mike...how do you teach your dogs to steer clear of rattlesnakes?

 

[gollum]

Hey Dave,

There are a few ways, but the basics are mostly corrective training with a shock collar. Bass Pro Shops in SoCal offers it using defanged rattlers (it may be a local trainer working through Bass Pro, and not Bass Pro Shops, but that is where I saw the sign a couple of weeks ago). Put the dog in the vicinity of the snake, and when it starts buzzing, the dog will go after it, you then just give them a jolt every time they go after it. A lot of people don't like using shock collars, but using it can save your dog's life.

Here is a good website:

RATTLESNAKE AVOIDANCE TRAINING

I have also heard of people using a dead rattler and a recording of the buzzing. Not sure exactly how that works. Shock collar works like a charm.

PS,

Two weeks ago, I went up to The Devil's Punchbowl area in The San Gabriel Mountains. I parked at the Campground, and hiked in. On my way back to the car, a Mexican Guy in a nice 4x4 Van brought a small dog out. About twenty minutes after pulling in, I see this guy flying down the dirt trail. He leaned out of his van and told me that there was a rattler that bit his little dog. It would have been about a twenty minute drive just to get out of the mountains. I don't know the outcome, but it didn't look good for the mutt.

A lot of people need to learn Rattlesnake Avoidance too. Too many idiots with no snake handling experience think they can catch or play with buzztails. Oh well, some DNA Chains should not reproduce.

 

[azdave35]

thanks mike

 

[gollum]

I just had a thought and couldn't stop laughing. Robert Schimmel told a joke that went something like:

"I took my son to the circus, and he asked how they trained that bear to ride a bike. I told him they nailed his feet to the pedals and beat the sh*t out of him. He's not pedaling, he's running away!"

I then pictured how the dead rattler training works:

Lock yourself and the dog in a room. Start playing the rattler buzzing recording, then chase the dog around the room beating the sh*t out of it with the dead snake for a couple of hours." The visual just keeps me laughing.

Sort of like "A Clockwork Orange" Type Training. HAHAHA

Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Fiend !!!!

 

[azdave35]

me and a few friends were out collecting some azurite last week...there was a little gulley about 24 inch deep and 24 inch wide running down the hillside...the dog ran up the gulley with no trouble but when my friend's son ran up the gulley right after the dog he ran into a rattler..he must have been napping because the dog ran right over the top of him and he didnt buzz...but when a human got close he started buzzing..scared the sh*t out of him

 

[sdcfia]

At least you don't have to worry about training your dog to avoid mountain lions. If there's a big cat within 5 acres, poochie will be snuggled right up tight to the backs of your knees.

 

[cactusjumper]

At least you don't have to worry about training your dog to avoid mountain lions. If there's a big cat within 5 acres, poochie will be snuggled right up tight to the backs of your knees.

sdcfia,

That may be true with some lesser dogs, but I would need a logging chain to hold back my Smokey.....

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[gollum]

me and a few friends were out collecting some azurite last week...there was a little gulley about 24 inch deep and 24 inch wide running down the hillside...the dog ran up the gulley with no trouble but when my friend's son ran up the gulley right after the dog he ran into a rattler..he must have been napping because the dog ran right over the top of him and he didnt buzz...but when a human got close he started buzzing..scared the sh*t out of him

HAHAHA There's a feeling somewhere between your guts and your n*ts that's very hard to describe when you are having a nice hike, then out of nowhere you here that chk-chk-chk-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz coming from somewhere right near you. I also felt it in The Sheephole Mountains when I was detecting the bottom of a dry creek bed near a bunch old mines (gold in sulphides). I was about a mile or so up the creek bed, when I saw a cat print bigger than my hand in the hard crunchy sand. Pucker Factor 10000000000000+ It was a female, and she followed me all the way back to the mouth of the canyon. Never tried anything, so I guess she had a litter in one of those old mines she was protecting.

Mike

 

[sdcfia]

HAHAHA There's a feeling somewhere between your guts and your n*ts that's very hard to describe when you are having a nice hike, then out of nowhere you here that chk-chk-chk-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz coming from somewhere right near you. I also felt it in The Sheephole Mountains when I was detecting the bottom of a dry creek bed near a bunch old mines (gold in sulphides). I was about a mile or so up the creek bed, when I saw a cat print bigger than my hand in the hard crunchy sand. Pucker Factor 10000000000000+ It was a female, and she followed me all the way back to the mouth of the canyon. Never tried anything, so I guess she had a litter in one of those old mines she was protecting.

Mike

Yeah, strange things happen when that buzz goes off. Somehow, the human body can rise a foot in the air and move backwards instantaneously.

Yes, folks better believe that the female cat will follow you. And the male too - and you don't want him/her to catch up to you. I've got photos of an unfortunate victim that my search-and-rescue partner and I discovered a few years ago before the ME arrived to remove the body - you wouldn't want to suffer the same fate. It's not a bad idea to carry a sidearm when you're in remote area.

 

[sdcfia]

sdcfia,

That may be true with some lesser dogs, but I would need a logging chain to hold back my Smokey.....

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

Dang, from the look in his eyes, I don't believe I'd sell him short. He could handle the cat while I had time to run.

 

[Cubfan64]

Yeah, strange things happen when that buzz goes off. Somehow, the human body can rise a foot in the air and move backwards instantaneously.

Yes, folks better believe that the female cat will follow you. And the male too - and you don't want him/her to catch up to you. I've got photos of an unfortunate victim that my search-and-rescue partner and I discovered a few years ago before the ME arrived to remove the body - you wouldn't want to suffer the same fate. It's not a bad idea to carry a sidearm when you're in remote area.

My friends have seen this photo and heard the story already - Coronado Mesa in 2011 jumped out of the brush about 30 feet away and then turned and stayed within sight for awhile before snarling loudly once and moving out of sight. Needless to say the whole trip back to my vehicle involved lots of stops and turning in all directions to make sure it wasn't following me - if it was, I never saw it. Haven't gone out there without a firearm since.

 

[Cliffy]

you guys are killin me here with the dogs and cats!....
cliffy

 

[gollum]

you guys are killin me here with the dogs and cats!....
cliffy

Usually in Phoenix right now, its raining cats and dogs!..............and HOT!

Mike

 

[Carl995]

My dads old photograph while not very good shows rougher on the edges.
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[Eldo]

That is an old camera

real rough edges actually.......

I bet the copy we see was the one altered to guide the hunt to the entrance going up to Miner's Needle and Weaver's needle from Massacre Point.

Part of the finders way of altering the copies to make the one set of lines seem more like the Needle?

Just my guess seeing the difference to the two stones we have seen.

 

[Cliffy]

Usually in Phoenix right now, its raining cats and dogs!..............and HOT!

Mike[/QU ... y... OTE]..... No rain but lots of cats. You think Father Keno made it north of South Mountain?
Cliffy