LDM why you cant get it !

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Morning Jack in line with oro's correct interpretation -->

A) Arroyo caverna. either a deep partially hidden stream, or one that has a cave on it's flow and is identified by this.

B) Tesoros Indios --> Indian treasures

C) Picachio --> Peak , gernerally a sharp outstanding peak.

D) Mesa--> flat topped area, similar to a table.

E) Negra--> feminine for black.

F) Cerros colorados--> generally means red hills, plural.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

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[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

That gentleman is John Ramses and I have added a new topic related to him and hope that someone has parts or his whole on line book to post so everyone can chime in....very believable stuff!!

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

John Ramses

I knew it was sounding like John V. Kemm

Beth

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

If your referring to me as a John Kemm Im sorry but you have the wrong person. I'm just chiming in on info I'v seen that makes some sense.

 

[JackH]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Morning Jack in line with oro's correct interpretation -->

A) Arroyo caverna. either a deep partially hidden stream, or one that has a cave on it's flow and is identified by this.

B) Tesoros Indios --> Indian treasures

C) Picachio --> Peak , gernerally a sharp outstanding peak.

D) Mesa--> flat topped area, similar to a table.

E) Negra--> feminine for black.

F) Cerros colorados--> generally means red hills, plural.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Thank You Don,
So, much for my Translator, and will not make reference to that again.

But your Gift of this translation brings more into view !

NEGRA: gives me more reasons to look at (these) black hills. The shape of the range is open with extending ridges on each side as with open arms as viewed from Red Mountain, or all ridges extending from a central peak (high view).

Question: How many references to Black Hills in the LDM subject ?

CERROS COLORADOS (generally means red hills): leads me to the hills directly behind NEGRA as the range to lock on ? giving each a closer relationship as in the Map, not to bring in the Supers ? A Peak is visible as well.......Jack

 

[JackH]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

That gentleman is John Ramses and I have added a new topic related to him and hope that someone has parts or his whole on line book to post so everyone can chime in....very believable stuff!!

Thank You 'dpdkld', jumped over to your Thread to find out John Ramses is the Australian American I referred to in my first post.

If your referring to me as a John Kemm Im sorry but you have the wrong person. I'm just chiming in on info I'v seen that makes some sense.

(What exactly did I post recently 'dpdkld' that makes sense to you, that caused you to jump in ?) Please use whatever, this thread or (send PM) personal msg !

I have not read John Ramses (book/dvd), only what was available on line a few years ago, that has vanished. It was brief, very informative had a few photos, and with just that, had me convinced. Since then, this Thread and especially how it has developed/progressed ! North of the Salt, opposed to my friend Roy and many others, who are South.

Thanks in advance.......Jack

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

I, as you did, read the version/part that was on line a couple/few years ago. I'm an adventurer, prospector, rock hound, lost treasure researcher (armature) and was working nights with the internet available. Some how while searching I stumbled across it. Once I saw your thread and some others it reminded me of it so I started googling for Red Mountain/Dutchman and found it again. So I had to throw my part in in support of what you have said here. I am fully aware that many on this thread would not take the info very well as many have been researching and humping it in the mountains for years. Hell, that's the only way to do it but when you come across very believable info you have to be able to step back and think....maybe I've been following the wrong info. Maybe Waltz gave the wrong directions on purpose for a last laugh, maybe reports of Waltz coming down from the Northwest of Phoenix or down the Verde river makes sense now..?? Lets think a minute, say that the Mexicans/Peralta or who ever came into this area. You get to an area and start looking for mineral. You need water so your down by the Salt and theres some mountains there with obvious granite igneous exposure with quartz and on the south side is interbedded flows of lava/breccias/dacite. Where would you look, the close by mountain with quartz or stumble through the maze and roughness of the superstitions with all that sedimentized rock?? Granted there are faults and a few mines in the supers on the west side such as the Palmer and even goldfield with all its good ore. From a geologic standpoint these Spanish/Mexican miners are in the middle of nowhere, so why would you waste your time looking in unfavorable places?? Don

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Further, I hope the Dutch hunters here spend some time or have spent some time looking over geologic maps of the supers and red mountain area. It can really support what is being said here. I have and found vast, interesting info about the area. Heck, did you know that there are some hill top exposures of ancient Verde and Salt river channels next to road cuts in the area. Wouldn't you like to take a 5 gallon bucket of that material down to the water to pan/sluice? Any way will be looking forward to checking up on this thread and mine.

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

JackH wrote

North of the Salt, opposed to my friend Roy and many others, who are South.

I did not say the Lost Dutchman mine is south of the Salt river; that would imply that I know exactly where it is, which would not be true. The indications point south of the river however.

Just wanted to clarify a point. Please continue.

Oroblanco

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Ahh the indications of all the information that has/seemed to completely have been blown out of proportion. ORO I respect you and your many posts and am always looking forward to what you and others have to say. Finding this forum has been a great thing for me. I realize you've not stated anything of the sorts. I was just implying that Ramses/his web and myspace page and the part of the book I read a while back is very very interesting as to the proof that the Peralta mines and MAYBE the Dutch mine is at Red Mountain. I have searched through many geologic maps that say "hey, maybe this could be true". Maybe someone could actually sweet talk the Salt River Res to allow someone to do some footwork there....that would be nice.

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

dpdkid wrote

Maybe someone could actually sweet talk the Salt River Res to allow someone to do some footwork there....that would be nice.

Here is a phone number to try:

480-789-7000

<http://www.ftmcdowell.org/tribalgovenment/tribalcouncil.html>

Good luck,

Oroblanco

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

I think I might just do it for kicks and grins. Also, on my other thread of Ramses I did find on the Pima web page that they refer to the Salt and Verde Rivers and "two waters" so as in some other posts talk about "go to first water ect ect could it be these and further could it be go here on your way to RED MOUNTAIN??

 

[JackH]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Gentlemen, Ladies,

I offer satellite imagery of worked arroyos with in 6 miles of Red Mountain. There is no reason why thousands of tons of worthless sand should be worked, unless there lies valuable residual/residue effects from the Core.

I only offer a sample as there are many arroyos worked in this area, inside and out of this red box. Some are much older workings, but workings just the same.

The working along the Rio Verde appears to have been removed completely, placer panning, slues box ?. There are several pockets nearby this spot.

One image shows a red line 34ft across the circular working within this arroyo. The keys are the unusual shapes of the removals along the upper shoulders of the arroyos, and the deep depressions worked in some of the centers.......Jack

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

You've got a good point and being "that direction" from the Verde and according to the geologic maps I've looked over I'd say they've got some arroyos catching the eroded caps of ancient Verde river beds. The same is very similar to the Caballo mountains where there was placering done. Some think that ancient beds of the Rio Grand along with the mineralized veins of the Caballo's created the placers that existed and still exist today.

 

[JackH]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Don,

Will You Stop it, Damn it,

I'm going to have either a heart attack, or a laughing attack !

I can't afford either, just filled my bike $403.9 @gal 93 octane.

Love to see that spot and explore just for the Hell of it !

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Yup me too, it even looks from the rest of what I can see to have some other important requirements mentioned in various hints/clues one of them includes the icon if you get my drift. But it would have to be you or I cause everyone else is just sick and tired of the John V stuff they don't want to look or post anymore I always hated puttin that high octane stuff in my bikes when it was like 2.50 a gallon, hell for that matter I had a 70 Camaro with a 406 at just shy under 10:1 comp. Drove that thing for three straight years having to use 93 and in the summer had to add octane booster. Man those were the days!!

 

[dpdkld]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Oh ya I almost forgot, speaking of horses, how about that little Peralta horse map thingy...here's my theory (of course this is out of the box from the Ramses deal) OK, the horse is the "view map". The eye is a peak where you view the rest of the land symbols, high above not viewing these symbols from the ground or valley view. The ass and tail, a valley with stream or at least a stream back then, the other parts of the horse take on the pattern of the ridge top(s) with the eye as a peak to view the other symbols oh and gollum's reverse effect by the word rio makes this happen...just my take, and again Jack this is between you and me cause nobodies interested in our threads any more... In fact I've just happened to find a place this works and dab nabbit if the little hat symbol and even an arrow show (as a very visible land formation in relation to the hat) from the heart along with the trail to get there making sense along with a couple geologic contact points (which is where quartz/metals and other goodies like to fill), but you have to find north and it aint what most people's are thinkin. But again I'm like most who've never stepped foot in the Dutchman's field yet...but I think I've got a couple places to check out if I ever get to vacation out that way. Hey its just theory (again out of Ramses box).

 

[Springfield]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Just so you don't feel too bad about things - a guy I know who used to post frequently on Tnet discovered many very interesting things in and around the Red Mountain area, much of it off, but close to Indian land, both sides of the Salt and on the Salt. As far as I know, he wasn't linking his finds to the Peraltas or the LDM, and probably never heard of Ramses, but the stuff he located sure grabbed one's attention. I won't discuss any of what he showed me in confidence - perhaps if he still follows the forums (I doubt it), he may chime in. Bottom line ... gold is where you find it, not where you want it to be.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Gentlemen: it was posted --> and again Jack this is between you and me cause nobodies interested in our threads any more.
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Not true, but since I have never been in the area, just flew over it, and haven't read any of the data posted except in here, I am a silent observer in general. Of course when I have a chance to pick on El cactus misjudger, Joe, or BB, I feel free to hop on the thread.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[JackH]

Re: LDM why you can't get it !

Gentlemen: it was posted --> and again Jack this is between you and me cause nobodies interested in our threads any more.
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Not true, but since I have never been in the area, just flew over it, and haven't read any of the data posted except in here, I am a silent observer in general. Of course when I have a chance to pick on El cactus misjudger, Joe, or BB, I feel free to hop on the thread.

Don Jose de La Mancha

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