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Somero you have hit the nail on the head. I have NO idea why Starman1 continues on with this distortion. 
Starman1 wrote
You continue to misrepresent and misinterpret what was written. What part of, "
I am NOT proposing that you or any of the other believers in Calalus are anything like the Nazis, just using that extreme example to show how such a fiction can be very destructive"
do you not grasp?
Starman1 also wrote
None of the story parts including survivors of Rhoda having descendants around today, the heroic saving fight, the "library of Oz", watchers, caretakers OR gatekeepers, are found in the rather brief inscriptions on the Calalus artifacts; you or your group, have added all that on. For the benefit of our readers, here is a translation of the inscriptions from the Calalus artifacts:
http://www.conspiracybomb.com/puzzlingrelics2.htm under Fair Use provisions.
Where do you see anything about survivors continuing on to this day, or any heroic rear guard action in which these "holy" relics are DUMPED into a "marshy" <? ? ? ?> area, or anything about caretakers, a "library of Oz", or Gatekeepers?
That last inscription may be a key to understand the thinking of the creator of these artifacts; "Theodorus ruled the people" - in 775 AD, the ruler of the Byzantine empire, which considered itself the surviving Roman empire, was Constantine V. Several Byzantine emperors were named Theodorus and the creator may have guessed at the name of the emperor, using a name however which dates to the 12th century emperors.
Another major flaw in the Calalus story is in the supposed wars with the Toltecs. The Toltec empire was not located in, or even NEAR Tucson Arizona; here is a map:

<Borrowed from http://www.fofweb.com/Electronic_Images/Maps/AK-103TheToltecEmpire.gif under Fair Use provisions>
It is against Federal, State and International laws to dig up, remove, smuggle out of the country, ancient artifacts and human remains. You claim this happened even though it is describing serious crimes. I suspect that it did NOT happen, that this is a fiction, and hence the relation to mythical Aryan "history". Otherwise those involved in such illegal acts likely face criminal prosecution.
To clarify one point for you, I am not a "prospective" author, but a published author. If you simply look up my name you can verify it. In case you do not know it, it is Roy A. Decker.
I have left the door open on Calalus deliberately, since we may never know who or whom created them, nor their real purpose. I have serious doubts about their authenticity, from the "coincidences" of the Latin, the wrong age of the caliche in which they were found, the complete lack of supporting documentation from the Old World, the complete lack of supporting evidence found anywhere else but at that site on Silverbell road, to the sheer unlikelyhood of a Roman/Jewish expedition to found a colony, passing a most powerful Arab empire whose ships controlled the Mediterranean and especially the straits of Gibraltar, in 775 AD.
The basic story of Calalus is without supporting evidence other than the artifacts found at the site on Silverbell road. I have seen no verification of anything found in Nevada linked to these artifacts. The story line put forth by Starman1 and his supporters is not found in the inscriptions on the artifacts, nothing about survivors, watchers, caretakers, or gatekeepers, and in particular not a word about any "library of Oz". It may be harmless to believe in this story, but I cannot put any credence in it without considerably more evidence.
Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek. Sorry for yet another LONG winded post.
Oroblanco


Starman1 wrote
Perhaps you need to revisit what you said:
<Oroblanco posted earlier>
... can actually be harmful. We need only look to the rise of the Nazis and their invented mythology of the Aryans to see how a fantasy version of history can become very destructive indeed. I am NOT proposing that you or any of the other believers in Calalus are anything like the Nazis, just using that extreme example to show how such a fiction can be very destructive; ala a belief in some "special" or "superior" race of people, whom have been persecuted and the next step is the drive to "restore" this mythical empire.
One might point out that the people that survived the holocast have never said that surviving produced a special or superior race of people who are intent on the next step. Which seems to be restoring a mythical empire. Since this is the case what you are doing is using language in a confusing and superficial way that allows you to combine certain things, the people and their history with the Nazi myths of the Aryans in such a way that bears no relationship to reality. This invention of your thinking is far more dangerous than anything we have ever written. No Roy there is no similarity except in your mind. What exactly did you say?
You continue to misrepresent and misinterpret what was written. What part of, "
I am NOT proposing that you or any of the other believers in Calalus are anything like the Nazis, just using that extreme example to show how such a fiction can be very destructive"
do you not grasp?

Starman1 also wrote
Roy lets see where this takes us. In the previous paragraph the history of the people is a fiction similar to something the Nazis would favor. Now the history of the people is real and its descendants are deserving of criminal prosecution for caring for their dead. So what is it? Is it real or is it fiction. Or perhaps you believe it is both at the same time allowing you to jump back and forth between positions depending on the needs of the moment. Who needs logic in such a universe. Perhaps you should ponder how is it possible for all of this to be real and at the same time nothing that was done was illegal. Who knows maybe certain arrangements were always in place to preserve the history of the people that were advantageous for everyone involved. Perhaps the relocation of the library and our people caring for it was always the preferred ending considering what might happen if its contents were revealed.
None of the story parts including survivors of Rhoda having descendants around today, the heroic saving fight, the "library of Oz", watchers, caretakers OR gatekeepers, are found in the rather brief inscriptions on the Calalus artifacts; you or your group, have added all that on. For the benefit of our readers, here is a translation of the inscriptions from the Calalus artifacts:
Borrowed from-+- Translation of Inscriptions -+-
The inscription of a cross designated as 1.A is translated as
follows:
A.D. 900(?), Jan. 1
We are carried forth over the sea to Calalus,
an unknown land, to a people ruling widely
The Toltesus, Silvanus were lead over
Theodorus brings up his forces at the City
Rhoda and more than seven hundred are captured
No gold shall be taken from the city
Theodorus, a man of great courage, rules fourteen years
James rules six years
With God's help nothing need be feared
In the name of Israel
OL
-+- Death of Israel in "the War." -+-
The chronology of the supposed dynasties of Calalus is translated
as follows from another Latin inscription:
From the Beginning. A.D. 790 to 900.
Nothing but by the cross, by suffering.
Israel died in the war.
Pray for the soul of Israel.
May God be with us as with our fathers.
May the earth be light unto thee.
Israel, defender of the faith, adds honor to ancestral honor.
Israel reigns 67 years.
Israel II reigns 6 years.
Israel II started to reign when 26 years old.
A war of extermination.
Either to conquer or to die.
He flourished in his ancestral honor from day to day.
Prepare for either event but hope is not yet crushed.
By the grace of God.
Time having elapsed, from adversity comes
the source and origin of our miseries, the
last day comes and the inevitable time.
I am present.
The Lord be with you.
-+- Chronicle is Specific -+-
Another of the texts is translated as follows:
Benjamin was king of the people. They came from Seine to Rome.
The bravest of the Gauls. He came to the assistance of the
people to lay the foundation of the city. He built a wall
around the city to resist the enemy. Benjamin mighty in
strength he filled the multitude with religion. He was slain
by the Thebans. I heard this from my father five hundred years
after, behind the mountain. In memory of his father.
860 A.D. Israel the 3rd was banished since he had liberated
the Toltesus. He first broke the custom. The earth trembled.
Fear overwhelmed the hearts of mortals in the third year after
he fled.
They betook themselves within the city and kept themselves
within their walls. You shall not bury or burn a dead man in
the city.
Before the city extended a plain, hills encompassed the city.
It is a hundred years since Jacobus was king. Jacobus was busy
in the front line. He attended to everything, fought much in
person and often struck down the enemy. Israel gave his
attention to the appointment of priests. Life is to us a
people of extensive sway.
An unknown land A.D. 895. May I be able to accomplish my
endeavors to serve the king. It is uncertain how long life
will continue. There are many things which may be said. While
the war was raging three thousand men were slain, the leaders
with their chiefs were taken, nothing but peace was sought.
God ordains all things.
O.L.
A brief inscription which bears no signature refers briefly to
the transatlantic voyage of the Dark Age Arizonians as follows:
We are carried over the sea to Roman Calalus, an unknown land.
They came in the year 775. Theodorus ruled the people.
http://www.conspiracybomb.com/puzzlingrelics2.htm under Fair Use provisions.
Where do you see anything about survivors continuing on to this day, or any heroic rear guard action in which these "holy" relics are DUMPED into a "marshy" <? ? ? ?> area, or anything about caretakers, a "library of Oz", or Gatekeepers?
That last inscription may be a key to understand the thinking of the creator of these artifacts; "Theodorus ruled the people" - in 775 AD, the ruler of the Byzantine empire, which considered itself the surviving Roman empire, was Constantine V. Several Byzantine emperors were named Theodorus and the creator may have guessed at the name of the emperor, using a name however which dates to the 12th century emperors.
Another major flaw in the Calalus story is in the supposed wars with the Toltecs. The Toltec empire was not located in, or even NEAR Tucson Arizona; here is a map:

<Borrowed from http://www.fofweb.com/Electronic_Images/Maps/AK-103TheToltecEmpire.gif under Fair Use provisions>
It is against Federal, State and International laws to dig up, remove, smuggle out of the country, ancient artifacts and human remains. You claim this happened even though it is describing serious crimes. I suspect that it did NOT happen, that this is a fiction, and hence the relation to mythical Aryan "history". Otherwise those involved in such illegal acts likely face criminal prosecution.
To clarify one point for you, I am not a "prospective" author, but a published author. If you simply look up my name you can verify it. In case you do not know it, it is Roy A. Decker.
I have left the door open on Calalus deliberately, since we may never know who or whom created them, nor their real purpose. I have serious doubts about their authenticity, from the "coincidences" of the Latin, the wrong age of the caliche in which they were found, the complete lack of supporting documentation from the Old World, the complete lack of supporting evidence found anywhere else but at that site on Silverbell road, to the sheer unlikelyhood of a Roman/Jewish expedition to found a colony, passing a most powerful Arab empire whose ships controlled the Mediterranean and especially the straits of Gibraltar, in 775 AD.
The basic story of Calalus is without supporting evidence other than the artifacts found at the site on Silverbell road. I have seen no verification of anything found in Nevada linked to these artifacts. The story line put forth by Starman1 and his supporters is not found in the inscriptions on the artifacts, nothing about survivors, watchers, caretakers, or gatekeepers, and in particular not a word about any "library of Oz". It may be harmless to believe in this story, but I cannot put any credence in it without considerably more evidence.
Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek. Sorry for yet another LONG winded post.
Oroblanco



