JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

[KXMember]

That might be quite a stretch, and Josh can certainly speak for himself. I won't see his stuff because I'm not on Facebook and won't be, oh well. So here's how I see things today: Let's go back only a thousand years or so, then try to get up to speed. It's all conspiratorial speculation, of course, because there's no available paper trail or hard evidence, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence surfacing nowadays - particularly archaeological and cartographic. I'm not in any way trying to prove anything here - just my Cliffs Notes version of what some of the popular buzz is.

It's all about information, and who has it. Begin, say, with Bernard of Clairvaux, a Cistercian (quite an interesting bunch) who championed the fledgling Knights Templar back in the 11th century. The KT set up shop at Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the Crusades era and, as legend has it, dug up artifacts, treasure and ancient information presumably once belonging to the Solomon crowd way back when. Where they got the idea to start digging there - who knows? The KT's subsequent rise to power and later crash is fairly well known - their legacy and who they passed the baton to is a little cloudier.

Of course, we have allegations about secret missions, including to North America, the early involvement of guys like Henry Sinclair, et al, later, heavy hitters such as Thomas Jefferson, Alexander von Humbolt, etc. We also have rumors about great treasures cached in the Southwest, using the information found by the KT in Jerusalem. Throw all the mesoamerican "bearded white gods" legends into the mix, and you've got some pretty weird craziness to think about. Your specialty is Jesuits, I guess, and as far as we know, these shock troops may be in the same big club with the KTs, the Masons, the Mormons, the Merovingians, et al. Who the true top dogs are is, of course, the big unanswered question.

Anyway, cutting to the chase, the allegations are that the SJ had information and were in the New World to exploit it. Some folks think there are large valuable caches of some sort dating back many moons hidden in the Southwest, and that the highest ranking brothers knew where they were supposed to be and went hither to verify them. Presumably, the sites are still closed - waiting for who knows what before they're claimed. Meanwhile, the SJ's lower ranking minion priests, etc. executed the well-known Christian mission dog and pony show in the foreground with the local Natives.

The "Jesuit Treasures - Are They Real?" question? IMO, no, those fairy tales are just bs diversions designed to keep nosy scum like us running around in circles until we decide to take up golf instead. After all, we're not in the club and this stuff is secret - smart guys can keep secrets.

I agree for the most part...some do really exist. The treasure hunter will always make things more difficult than it really is.

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

SDC, may I remind you of Tayopa & the tayopa complex for example ?.

 

[deducer]

Dude, we have over 100 sites, dating back to every period and damn near all of them have markings from many groups. So, yes we have proof for days and artifacts through the roof. Feel free to dig through the photos and comments yourself.

https://www.facebook.com/KryderExplorationResearchAndRecovery/photos_stream

I did; no hard evidence in there that Jesuits were in NM.

A picture of a rock formation and a "Jesuit-Spanish site" label does not qualify as evidence.

 

[Oroblanco]

<snip> The "Jesuit Treasures - Are They Real?" question? IMO, no, those fairy tales are just bs diversions designed to keep nosy scum like us running around in circles until we decide to take up golf instead. After all, we're not in the club and this stuff is secret - smart guys can keep secrets.

I guess the 230+ pages of posts didn't do it for you. The fact that a Catholic study listed some of the mines owned and operated by the SJ in Mexico, the piles of smelter slag at several missions including even built into the walls of the later Franciscan missions, the mention of the loss of a shipment of silver by Kino himself, the richly ornamented Jesuit missions (including one in S America boasting of seven tons of gold on display) the Indians own stories (remember they told the Anglos the mines and wealth were Jesuit, they could just as easily have said it was all the work of the Franciscans or Mexicans or even Spanish, some of whom were more recent in memory), the not-lost mines like the Salero, Tayopa, Wandering Jew, or Old Padres, the official search by Spanish authorities for wealth they knew must be accumulated, the wealth of the SJ itself are just not enough to change your opinion. After the LONG debate I doubt that anything we might post will alter that view now.

As to earlier visitors, while there is some evidence of one group, there is nothing to link their presence to mines or treasures. They may have been simply explorers passing through, or even a shipwrecked party trying to find a way back to "civilization". In fact the alternate translation of the Los Lunas Decalogue tells just such a story. As they were also quite active prospectors (a matter of record) it is entirely possible they searched the southwest for minerals, maybe even located a mine or several, their presence must not have been lasting nor did they leave much of a foot print.

As to Solomon and his mines, I agree they are almost certainly located in the Americas (hence the long sea voyages required to visit and return) yet the best evidence of such mining activities is very far from AZ or NM.


I too took a look at the photos (gracias KXMember for the link) but have to agree that rock formations do not answer the question as to whether the legends of Jesuit treasures and mines are real or not. We can not even be sure that many of those rock formations are anything other than the work of nature. No offence, just a personal opinion, and I am not an expert on rock carvings so perhaps an expert would disagree.

 

[KXMember]

Except that all these "rocks" we're located by other "rocks" and by learning which cipher was used. Unfortunate our main website was shutdown with the company(multiply) was bought out by the Philippines. New website is currently being built. Almost all locations have been scanned with a few different levels of tech and treasures identified, some tell quantity and quality of those holdings.
The Los Lunes site is Israelite and not far from there is a Venetian Boatport and a step pyramid. The pyramid was owned by the University of New Mexico but they recently traded it to the Isleta Pueblo.

 

[KXMember]

What is on FB is minimal and I don't currently have that much on my iPad right now to show. I have more on my phone but can't connect to Tnet from that. Other hard drives are located in our mobil research laboratory abbot an hour away from me. Many projects are being organized now so I promise soon more will be visible to the public.
The RFTH project pulled up 135 tons of gold bars which the state had us leave in chamber and backfill...still just chillin.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

KX as stated several times, Links to Facebook are not allowed...

 

[Oroblanco]

What is on FB is minimal and I don't currently have that much on my iPad right now to show. I have more on my phone but can't connect to Tnet from that. Other hard drives are located in our mobil research laboratory abbot an hour away from me. Many projects are being organized now so I promise soon more will be visible to the public.
The RFTH project pulled up 135 tons of gold bars which the state had us leave in chamber and backfill...still just chillin.

Can you provide some evidence of that last statement? Thanks in advance.

 

[sdcfia]

I guess the 230+ pages of posts didn't do it for you. <cut>

As I have acknowledged before, it's likely the Jesuits operated some modest silver mines in the Santa Cruz Valley of AZ, producing church accoutrements and maybe some trade money for local needs. Large golden caches ala the famous legends? No - lots of hat, but no cowboy yet.

 

[sdcfia]

SDC, may I remind you of Tayopa & the tayopa complex for example ?.

Sorry, but I haven't seen anything that justifies the hype yet.

 

[KXMember]

KX as stated several times, Links to Facebook are not allowed...

I've never heard that links to Facebook weren't allowed. You won't have to explain again, thanks for the heads up.

I'm aware that there isn't much to be seen at the moment and I'm actually going into stealth mode. Peace and good luck. Keep up the hard work everybody. My prayers go out to all of you.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

SDC, ya mean ya don't believe it yet ?

 

[Simon1]

What is on FB is minimal and I don't currently have that much on my iPad right now to show. I have more on my phone but can't connect to Tnet from that. Other hard drives are located in our mobil research laboratory abbot an hour away from me. Many projects are being organized now so I promise soon more will be visible to the public.
The RFTH project pulled up 135 tons of gold bars which the state had us leave in chamber and backfill...still just chillin.

In the neighborhood of 500 million in gold and had to backfill ? If you don't mind my asking, what was their reason ?

 

[sdcfia]

SDC, ya mean ya don't believe it yet ?

It would require blind faith, which is tough for me to do.

 

[UncleMatt]

Blind faith requires blindness, which rules it out for me from the start...

 

[KXMember]

In the neighborhood of 500 million in gold and had to backfill ? If you don't mind my asking, what was their reason ?

Pulling out these amounts would mess with their system on many levels. Too, they always "put it away" for a rainy day or whatever. 100's of sites like this.

 

[KXMember]

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[deducer]

I'm aware that there isn't much to be seen at the moment and I'm actually going into stealth mode.

So much for getting my hopes up.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

SDC, a repost from The Tayopa status

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Guys & Gals, I was forced to form a company on Tayopa - financial reasons = as a result I had to give up certain rights, icluding how to run it, so I let them play after have given them most of th information, but they seem to be trying to second guess me. They have been playing around with the main deposit with lack of success, it is constructed almost like The Cabalos and victorio peak.

They seem to be expecting a magic door to appear for them but don't investigate the natural voids for an entrance.They hve reached the end of the trail but still no door, naturally, the entrance is before the end of the trail.

But it was this or forget Tayopa.

The same goes for the entrance to Tayopa itself. I have told them what to look for - but.

So in the meantime,I, like you , just wait on the side lines., but for me it is even more frustrating since I know the answers already, but I
need the pictures for you.

 

[AbTexEx]

How difficult could it be to find a mine!!!

Several years back, we hitched up the old RV and hit the road looking for work. Settled in on a small ranch near
the Sangre de Cristos Mountains. As usual, ranch work don't pay much so I took a part-time freight
delivery job in the nearest town.


One day an order needed to be delivered that was quite a ways out of town. This order had very explict directions
as to where to go, down to the two cows grazing on a corner, then take a left, go 300 yds, stop, get out and look.


So I looked and sure nuff there was a vague trail running off towards an old river. Plowing through the tall grass I
finally came to the top of a bluff on the side of the old river. Following the top of the bluff I came to a
very narrow trail sloping down towards the river bottom about thirty feet below. After following the edge of the
river for quite a ways, the trail turned into a long wide bend. Parked under the bluff on the outside
of the bend were about a half dozen cars and pickups.


Great! I parked, got out to look and could not find anyone. Thirty foot bluff on one side, river on the other.


Tapped the horn a couple of times and stood there waiting. I was looking off over the river at the rolling
hills on the other side when I heard someone walking up from behind. I turned towards the bluff to see several
people coming out of what looked like the solid rock. We made our introductions and I set the delivery up near
the bluff. Looking up along the face I could see a very low, narrow crack in the rock from which they came and went.


Delivery done, just needed a signiture.


Curiosity got the best of me and I asked,
"What brings you folks to these parts"
The gentleman answered, "We are an archaeology team from XYZ University.
We are in the process of excavating an old Spanish Mine."
I looked up, gazed around and said, "Here! What were the Spaniards mining in this area?"
He said "That is what we are here to find out. The mine goes in about twenty feet, drops vertical about fifty feet,
and right now we are about half way under the river."
Again curious I asked, "How did you know of this mine and where it was located?"
"The University has documents from the era that are very detailed as to the mines location." was his answer.
Then I asked "Did you have any problems finding the mine using the documents?"


Here he laughed.


"We had set up camp near a small town that was noted in the documents.
From there we followed the directions but could not find anything.
After about a week of going different directions from the town, one of the team said in jest
'Why don't we just ask someone here if they know where it is'
One of the team walked over to some men standing in front of the only store in town and asked,
'Morning guys. We are here looking for an old spanish mine. Anyone know of one in the area?"


"La Mina? Si! We know of an old mine near here. Follow us." was the answer.


They all jumped in their pickups and went flying down the road with the team in hot pursuit.


I just shook my head and smiled.




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