JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Excellent Oro, but were those mines and placers under Jesuit control Incidentally was that mule train identifiied as being Jesuit?

From the present loction of Ciudad Chihuahua to El Paso was the plains country. Major traffic was on those roads, so they were constructed for carretas.

Sure wish that Doc hadn't burned those papers, may his soul roast in Hades sheesh. +

 

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[Oroblanco]

Excellent Oro, but were those mines and placers under Jesuit control Incidentally was that mule train identifiied as being Jesuit?

From the present loction of Ciudad Chihuahua to El Paso was the plains country. Major traffic was on those roads, so they were constructed for carretas.

Sure wish that Doc hadn't burned those papers, may his soul roast in Hades sheesh. +

I would have to hunt back through 228 pages here to find it again, to be sure. However, what says that a treasure in the Caballos is Jesuit? Could it not be Spanish, or Franciscan, or Mexican, or even something from the Aztecs or Maximilian? How do we know there even IS a treasure of any kind in the Caballos?

That extract I posted from Hamilton was not intended to be THE answer to what is in the Caballos, just an example of the rich mining activities that not only was ongoing in the 1600s but also in the 1700s and 1800s. Considering we have no idea what may be buried in the Caballos, how can we be sure who concealed it?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Oro, don't get so techical All we can do is to ""conjectorize"" with faulty information and """Logicalize""" any data.

.S. thems my own words, they belong to me, I have em copyrighted

 

[deducer]

I see that the name of this sub-forum has been changed to "Jesuit Treasures" so thanks to the mods.

The subheading still reads: "Treasures of Tumacacori legend from the city by the same name and Tumacacori Mountains south of Tucson as well as the Lost Jesuit Mines."

Perhaps that could be changed to "Legends, lost mines, and hidden treasures of the Jesuits"?

Mods, what do you think of my suggestion above?

 

[jeff of pa]

I see that the name of this sub-forum has been changed to "Jesuit Treasures" so thanks to the mods.

The subheading still reads: "Treasures of Tumacacori legend from the city by the same name and Tumacacori Mountains south of Tucson as well as the Lost Jesuit Mines."

Perhaps that could be changed to "Legends, lost mines, and hidden treasures of the Jesuits"?

perhaps you should be happy with what ya got

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Oro, you posted -- We could as well surmise that the treasure in the Caballos came from El Naranjal as Tayopa,

Oro as I have posted We have a mine with the almost perfect description of Naranjal on the outer edge of the tayopa filings. So you are probably correct.


A further comment, who says these were from an illegal mine ? Perhaps they were legal.
and the Tayopa bars slipped in.? This would facilitate moving through customs etc.

What if, if, if ,if.

 

[Oroblanco]

Oro, you posted -- We could as well surmise that the treasure in the Caballos came from El Naranjal as Tayopa,

Oro as I have posted We have a mine with the almost perfect description of Naranjal on the outer edge of the tayopa filings. So you are probably correct.


A further comment, who says these were from an illegal mine ? Perhaps they were legal.
and the Tayopa bars slipped in.? This would facilitate moving through customs etc.

What if, if, if ,if.

The mine you referred to was only superficially similar, certainly won't fit with some important details like the location state of Sinaloa. Orange trees are not only found at El Naranal after all.

Who says there even IS a treasure in the Caballos?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi Orode Tayopa.

you posted ---- Who says there even IS a treasure in the Caballos?

Why I do of course and NP's lil map.

As far as Naranjal goes it fits almost perfectly with the exception of the state, and since they can't find it with their data, then it must be in a different area -- our Narnjal.??

narrow deep canyon, with a mesa on top, a Spaniard , and during the Juarez revolution, orange colored gold, orange grove, metal stock piled (our man ,Benito, now dead, found the cave used as a storeroom, he used to cut off chuncks of gold whenever he needed money.) we know of his tie off point for a line to decend to the cave area. etc.

If our team wasn't so busy with Tayopa we would go for it, will in the near future.

Side issue, our team is running around like a chicken with it's head cut off tis frustrating since I can't be up there with them and they try to second guess me with negative results.

But I have been waiting for 15 years so I guess that I can wait a few more.

Don't forget the data that I have sent you, in case I bug off before they finnish, it will be up to you then, for both of our families..

We own most of the stock.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

To whom it may concern --- where did Frank Dobie get that map of Tayopa ?? The hill that the mission is on is now called the hill of the Temple. The hill of the mission.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

H ED,cause one of the Padres experimnted with casting mission bells. He operated perhaps 1/2 way down the Western leg.
some day I'll have to look for the copper deposit that he used, and of course the other metals. Tre is an apple orchard there now.

The hill of the mission or templo that I mentioned at Tayopa, the local Indians know of it, but not why.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

you have my curiosity aroused, none that I know of.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Kin I have it need it for my collection

 

[KXMember]

I would have to hunt back through 228 pages here to find it again, to be sure. However, what says that a treasure in the Caballos is Jesuit? Could it not be Spanish, or Franciscan, or Mexican, or even something from the Aztecs or Maximilian? How do we know there even IS a treasure of any kind in the Caballos?

That extract I posted from Hamilton was not intended to be THE answer to what is in the Caballos, just an example of the rich mining activities that not only was ongoing in the 1600s but also in the 1700s and 1800s. Considering we have no idea what may be buried in the Caballos, how can we be sure who concealed it?

Most likely these sites are treasures from all of them. Treasures piled on top of treasures. This particular site has been broken, all entrances and death traps mapped but not yet opened. The elite put these treasures away, not take them away. Overtime, certain entities will pull from the hoards, but just enough. Some haven't been opened from 50yrs to 10,000yrs.

 

[deducer]

Most likely these sites are treasures from all of them. Treasures piled on top of treasures. This particular site has been broken, all entrances and death traps mapped but not yet opened. The elite put these treasures away, not take them away. Overtime, certain entities will pull from the hoards, but just enough. Some haven't been opened from 50yrs to 10,000yrs.

This is a thread about Jesuit treasure.

A couple things you may want to know:

1) The Jesuits were not founded 10,000 years ago. They were founded in 1534, and officially recognized in 1540.

2) They weren't in New Mexico by and large because it was Franciscan territory.

 

[KXMember]

They absolutely were here in the SW, NM included. Jesuits were relocating and opening ancient sites.

 

[deducer]

They absolutely were here in the SW, NM included. Jesuits were relocating and opening ancient sites.

And how were they "relocating" or "opening" sites that haven't been opened for 10,000 years?

 

[KXMember]

The same way the Templars, Phoenicians, KGC, Spanish, Celts ect. did it. The art of mining is very old. The same templates were used by all monks ect. An art that has been passed down through the ages.

 

[deducer]

The same way the Templars, Phoenicians, KGC, Spanish, Celts ect. did it. The art of mining is very old. The same templates were used by all monks ect. An art that has been passed down through the ages.

Again this thread is about the Jesuits.

Would love to see proof they were in NM. Have any? I doubt you do. Feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[KXMember]

Dude, we have over 100 sites, dating back to every period and damn near all of them have markings from many groups. So, yes we have proof for days and artifacts through the roof. Feel free to dig through the photos and comments yourself.

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[sdcfia]

And how were they "relocating" or "opening" sites that haven't been opened for 10,000 years?

That might be quite a stretch, and Josh can certainly speak for himself. I won't see his stuff because I'm not on Facebook and won't be, oh well. So here's how I see things today: Let's go back only a thousand years or so, then try to get up to speed. It's all conspiratorial speculation, of course, because there's no available paper trail or hard evidence, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence surfacing nowadays - particularly archaeological and cartographic. I'm not in any way trying to prove anything here - just my Cliffs Notes version of what some of the popular buzz is.

It's all about information, and who has it. Begin, say, with Bernard of Clairvaux, a Cistercian (quite an interesting bunch) who championed the fledgling Knights Templar back in the 11th century. The KT set up shop at Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the Crusades era and, as legend has it, dug up artifacts, treasure and ancient information presumably once belonging to the Solomon crowd way back when. Where they got the idea to start digging there - who knows? The KT's subsequent rise to power and later crash is fairly well known - their legacy and who they passed the baton to is a little cloudier.

Of course, we have allegations about secret missions, including to North America, the early involvement of guys like Henry Sinclair, et al, later, heavy hitters such as Thomas Jefferson, Alexander von Humbolt, etc. We also have rumors about great treasures cached in the Southwest, using the information found by the KT in Jerusalem. Throw all the mesoamerican "bearded white gods" legends into the mix, and you've got some pretty weird craziness to think about. Your specialty is Jesuits, I guess, and as far as we know, these shock troops may be in the same big club with the KTs, the Masons, the Mormons, the Merovingians, et al. Who the true top dogs are is, of course, the big unanswered question.

Anyway, cutting to the chase, the allegations are that the SJ had information and were in the New World to exploit it. Some folks think there are large valuable caches of some sort dating back many moons hidden in the Southwest, and that the highest ranking brothers knew where they were supposed to be and went hither to verify them. Presumably, the sites are still closed - waiting for who knows what before they're claimed. Meanwhile, the SJ's lower ranking minion priests, etc. executed the well-known Christian mission dog and pony show in the foreground with the local Natives.

The "Jesuit Treasures - Are They Real?" question? IMO, no, those fairy tales are just bs diversions designed to keep nosy scum like us running around in circles until we decide to take up golf instead. After all, we're not in the club and this stuff is secret - smart guys can keep secrets.