JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

[Backwoodsbob]

From what I've been reading and what I studied. The Jesuits were the equivalent to the cia of today. They were to go out blend in with the masses. Their loyalty was to Vatican. Not real sure about them enslaving the natives. More like befriending them for their own good. Teaching them their beliefs. I believe that they took and buried a lot of gold to do God work. That's my belief. Do we know if evidence was with held. Their secret ways and codes are there for deception. Why was that needed for men of God. Just read their oath and it will say a lot or does it. I have their name on stones . But the way they do it their work have even you guy guessing . I have stones that have whole scenes on them. If you don't know how to look at them you wil never see it I see it on here all the time. I look at the photos of the canyons that will have a heart, witch. But what about all the other things out there. If the Jesuits were there people are not seeing rhe real pictures. Just what they want you to see. I was looking at a heart picture in another post. I asked about the wolf. There was a ram also. It's hidden but it is also inplain sight.
I know I'm new to this site. there are those that have been at this along time. I do respect that. The whole thing about all this is the Jesuits were masters of illusion. They knew how to cover their axx's. No that's not misspelled. Like I said earlier. Their like the modern day C.I.A.. That's my story and I'm sticken to it. Had to change it so I didn't have to quote someone that I didn't know. The floor is open and so are my ears.

Bob

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[Backwoodsbob]

Just a rock or is it?

Hereis the same stone through my eyes

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[Backwoodsbob]

Just a rock or is it?

Here is the same stone through my eyes

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You can see the lion , there is a heart if you flip the stone. Can you see the signs or symbols

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[Backwoodsbob]

They want to distract you with the big stuff so you miss the little things

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[Shortfinger]

Well not sure it is really a story, more like a 'civil court' in trying to prove or disprove the Jesuits accumulating treasures, and in direct relation to this, also mining. Other 'charges' came up like enslavement of natives etc. I think the defense rested some time ago, and the prosecution seems to be also rested. It is already over 230 pages long, have you read the entire thing? If so, what is your conclusion about the question, Jesuit Treasures Are They Real? Do you feel that the question(s) this thread was intended to address, have been adequately answered, or do you think more needs to be examined? Thanks in advance.

Well, Oro, in my opinion, there is more to tell, here. A lot has been recounted, but more comes to light every day, such as the indication on the above post that De Anza was made a lay brother. I have my opinion, but it is just that, an opinion, not a fact. When Don Jose opens the store room at Tayopa, I suspect that a lot more will be revealed.....

JB

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Look at the nose of the lion. It is also the tree of Eden. Now with this hidden messages. Do youI think they were into mining. Yes I do.. I need more coffee now.

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Backwoods Bob, yes I can easily see what you are saying and showing, but I can also see that they are part of Mother Natures work.

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[Backwoodsbob]

Not mother nature when you have the same thing on many thing items. All the monuments you have out there are not the work of nature. Numbers and letters especially the same one in different places. This is what I've been studying. Not where a treasure is buried. That will be come later after I know what it all means. You saw the pictures I sent you. I found everyone of those from my stone maps. You can share them if you like. I will soon. I went strictly off a stone to find two of those items. If you want to know the truth. One must look in and out of the box. I tested my theory in four states. If there was a convention on this stuff I can prove my. Look, I'm not here to have so kind of contest. There are people on here that knows this knowledge but are not sharing. How do you think the Jesuits were able to hide their clues. The bible is part of their code. The lion is a sign of royalty. The lion also represents king David. Along with other things the animals will tell a lot about a site. The founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius of Loyoya follow the example of St Francis of Assisi. That's why the animals are used. One would think the work was that of Franciscan that the Jesuits did. Look how most Jesuits were educated as well as holding a high office of title. Having power an influence one could get,away with a lot.

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[Backwoodsbob]

Just for the record these are my photos that I was talking about.

One gold ,one silver the other two undetermined.. I followed the measurement from a stone. It was the confirmation of the site. I will say the measurement were in feet not varas. But my site uses furlongs and cubits. Not to say it want use varas leagues.
The inscriptions are over layed. A word such as fate,safe, bait faith may be right on top of each other. It takes a great deal of time to able to read them. Some are keeping this secret. If you don't believe me that's fine. I ask you to look into the information im giving. I don't know everything, if I did I would not be here. I'm looking for help and to give when I can. The spirits of those who have died for the cause live there to help. You heart must good and not filled with greed. They hated the greed of the spainish. For the love of gold it say on all the sites I've been to. Nobody talks of the writing on the walls. It's there I promise. This will get through to some and other will never see what has been there all along. Thanks for allowing me to share. May the Great spirit watch over all who seeks.

Bob

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Bob, a very interesting set of photos. You beat my answer to your em, I would question the size of the objects first. To find them in the desert even with instructions would be asking perhaps tooo much... A few more details would help.

 

[Scorch]

Fantastic my friend Scorch, rates some coffee

Thanks TT,

It is really incredible the amount of high quality scholarship that Garate produces. He also prefers to work from the original papers and primary sources for all of the claims that he makes. In the introduction he says that he spent ten years researching the book - and could probably have spent another ten. But it goes to prove just how much is out there that people have not uncovered yet!

I find your insights and experiences with Tayopa completely fascinating, and I hope you will see it uncovered soon, If you decide to give tours of it let me know!

Thanks again ,

Scorch

 

[Scorch]

Great post Scorch, that paragraph in particular is rather striking. Please do continue;
Oroblanco

- Yes, I almost fell out of my chair when I read that! That Garate rather authoritatively quotes Anza himself on the issue, is proof enough for me, for now anyway.

- Um, unfortunately, I tried cleaning in my apartment over the weekend, and have misplaced the book. But I will find it and finish up with it here! I am at the last section which deals with the 'Balls of Silver' episode. And apparently he was killed shortly after that.

- Am not sure yet, how exactly, to understand this deeper 'bond' with the Jesuits. Sometimes the cigar really is just a cigar, but this is 'treasure hunting'! so at other times - Freud is right!

- My inclination is to take Anza's motivations for becoming a 'brother jesuit' at their face value, as personal spiritual discipline and service of "His Divine Majesty", for now.

- ( Of course, theoretically speaking, as Captain of the Frontier Company, he would have had the perfect cover for patrolling the Jesuits hiding places (!) but I have to keep my imagination grounded - at least somewhat. )


Thanks ,

Scorch

 

[Scorch]

Juan Bautista de Anza was a very interesting guy. He went with Father Kino on most of his entradas. Just don't confuse the father and son of the same name!

A very interesting thing happened to him, that shows how it was not wise to cast any aspersions on the Jesuit Order in those days. He was a General at the time. He sent a letter to his boss complaining that the Jesuits were spending so much time with the Indians, that they were neglecting their duties to the Spaniards and Gente de Razon. Shortly after that, the renowned General Juan Bautista de Anza found himself in jail for over a year.

Mike

Hi Mike,

- You're one of the resident experts in this subject, so you'd be the person to ask - Have ever you met Don Garate around Tuscon, etc?

Thanks ,

Scorch

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Bob, a very interesting set of photos. You beat my answer to your em, I would question the size of the objects first. To find them in the desert even with instructions would be asking perhaps tooo much... A few more details would help.

No Real, my questions are not answered. First thing is they were no found in the desert. I live in the middle of the woods. My home is on a royal site. At the edge of my yard are three large stone. Well there more than that. One stone get me started on laying out my first center. Around the flag man, that's what it's called. There are smaller stones. The flagman stone is only about 2.5' square. I deal with much small stones than you have out west.. There are trees out in the wood with markings on them. So are shaped different. I call them my Jesuit trees. Anyway back to the pictures. I found stone with numbers on them. I didn't know what they meant I found that one number was a direction and the other a length. I used my mt to fins those pieces. They were less than foot under ground.. One was in a field ,one in a creek, one under the edge of a tree,one in the road.. The silver was the closest.. the gold was 17 times further away from the silver. It was on the same line. The other two were on two different lines. One was on a 225° from the flag man. It was 1/4mile away also. So I don't think size have anything to do with it. Each one of those items have code on. Thats where I have hit the brick wall. All that I have to study are my books on symbolism and the dictionary of symbols. The rocks themselves and help from this site. The internet has some information. Im looking for someone who knows the system for my site. I think that it is more than system being used. The Jesuits were educated so if you are going to match wits with them. We have better study them as well as other great thinkers of the time. Thanks for the opportunity to open up. Its all in the math.
Bob

Well, Oro, in my opinion, there is more to tell, here. A lot has been recounted, but more comes to light every day, such as the indication on the above post that De Anza was made a lay brother. I have my opinion, but it is just that, an opinion, not a fact. When Don Jose opens the store room at Tayopa, I suspect that a lot more will be revealed.....

JB

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Bob, you are dealing with something beyond my expertise (?) Keep it up, fascinating. Luck.

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Bob, you are dealing with something beyond my expertise (?) Keep it up, fascinating. Luck.

From what im thinking,all these sites are similar. That is what my theory is about. The answer is there in front of us. Don't think you don't have the answer. Your part of it as well as the others. We all have a piece of the puzzle. We have to work together . No matter how strange an idea may seem. They are worth exploring. Thats all I'm saying. Nobody is wrong unless proven wrong. By more than one source of course. My views are seen by some as over active imagination. That doesn't bother me none. There is a long road ahead for all of us to prove the claim. Is the Jesuits treasure real. I say yes. Let the debate begin. It's going to be fun because the smoking gun is in the ground.
Bob

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[gollum]

Hi Mike,

- You're one of the resident experts in this subject, so you'd be the person to ask - Have ever you met Don Garate around Tuscon, etc?

Thanks ,

Scorch

Never met the man, but I have heard the name.

Mike

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Does this look like it's man made.

Just maybe it can answer some questions.

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[Backwoodsbob]

Does this look like it's man made.

Just maybe it can answer some questions. The first picture has tge word eagle that is clearer than the other word.

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[Backwoodsbob]

It also says straight path. I apologize for not being able to point it out.. I'm using a cell phone

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