JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

This seems to be the incredible shrinking thread? Keep it on topic please.
 

Arsenic.
If arsenic was used to dust the floor of any hidden mine, does it have a shelf life? Meaning, how long before it breaks down or is absorbed back into the earth (in a sealed space). If it was used to secure a mine or cache, there must have been a plan to bypass the danger on the return.

Any thoughts?
Thank You!
 

Dunno Hal, but I have had Arsenic poisoning and it is not a quick acting poison. You would have time to do your dirty work.

Incidentally the poisoning was due to sloppy assaying work. Vit C is the chelating agent.
 

Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:
Dunno Hal, but I have had Arsenic poisoning and it is not a quick acting poison. You would have time to do your dirty work.

Incidentally the poisoning was due to sloppy assaying work. Vit C is the chelating agent.
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That sounds awful. I thought that in high doses it was quick acting, like in minutes.
I am wondering why they(?) would use such a deadly safeguard if it didn't stop an ambitious Thunter in their tracks. Do you think that arsenic dust could be neutralized with water? If not neutralized, sealed?
 

hi Hal. it would cut down on the air borne materiel for sure. But even with the dust I doubt that it would be normally poisonous to a great degree. Plenty of time to do your dirty work. However don't experiment based upon my experience or information. :laughing7:
 

Hal Croves said:
Arsenic.
If arsenic was used to dust the floor of any hidden mine, does it have a shelf life? Meaning, how long before it breaks down or is absorbed back into the earth (in a sealed space). If it was used to secure a mine or cache, there must have been a plan to bypass the danger on the return.

Any thoughts?
Thank You!
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I don't know Hal.

But Nitro Glycerin does not lose it's shelf life and I've accidentally found that in an Indian cliff dwelling.

Found the blasting caps too.
 

hi bill, my lab was painted yellow from arsenic. Ya don't go snorting it unless you want an upset tummy. Incidentally as I mantioned, I found that vit C is a perfect chelating agent. The hospital in Obregon wanted to go for Lewisite , a poison used in WW!. I managed to bypass them before they could do any more damage.
 

the CDC has documents on the subject and this is from the confined space entry manual.
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Note: these levels are if you are wearing a Mine safety Approved full face mask with a high level filtration filter
Beware of mixing with other compounds. can cause a flash explosion or fire.
Keep away from sparks or flames, this includes electric fans.
There is no ending shelf life and in confined spaces like a cave, the level remains the same unless ventilated.
Anyone doing gold processing the old fashioned way would have arsenic for the process
So its bad enough you breath it but touching the dusted gold is what gets you.
Worse than that it is a clear to white powder, so you may not be aware that it is even there.
This may also explain some of the heath issues the padres wrote about.
Compounded by the use of mercury.
 

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Hi sailaway my friend, The ore that we were processig was Gold with approx. 33% As. As I mentioned it painted the lab ( oven) walls with a yellowish color.

AS usual I was too careless, the same thing happened with Cyanide, I am now hyper sensatized to Cyanide. I can sell an open barrel of Cyanide 50 meters away - it has a sickly sweet odor to me. I have won many bets.
 

I believe the Victorio Peak Treasure is the lost cache of the Jesuits. Doc Noss reported that the cave was filled with vast stores of religious artifacts, gold & silver ingots, too bad the Government has it locked down........ What are your thoughts?
 

Lost_Texan said:
I believe the Victorio Peak Treasure is the lost cache of the Jesuits. Doc Noss reported that the cave was filled with vast stores of religious artifacts, gold & silver ingots, too bad the Government has it locked down........ What are your thoughts?
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I think you want the Victorio Peak forum.
 

anyone have thoughts on:

Secrets of the Stone Tablets: In Search of Montezuma’s Treasure
Theroy of Raymond Dillman who launched himself into a lifelong campaign to decipher the stones and discover their original meanings and the treasures they pointed to.
Covering the exploits and treasure digs of the Dillman family, declaring that the Peralta Stone Tablets were created by Cabeza de Vaca and Estevenico.
Covering several archaeological digs in the American Southwest (including the Dillman family’s 1982 dig in Utah that uncovered a fifth stone tablet, three skeletons, and numerous artifacts).
As Dan Dillman states in an interview during the film, “My grandfather set out looking for a treasure, but what he found was a quest.”

Was there really 7 different stashes for the treasure and was this the trail that Kino was following? We know father Kino was starting a search from Casa Grande ruins, the place the Aztecs claimed was their original home. The Aztecs also stated that the treasure was found near the site, and had never been used but only stored for the return of the God Quetzalcoatl. It took Cortezs' men 3 days to inventory the treasure. Soon after that it was removed by the Indians. The story of Cortez tossing the treasure in the lake is an embellishment and has no fact being as records state the treasure had been removed prior to the Indian uprising when the royals were murdered during a holiday feast. This more than likely took place because the Spanish were wanting to know the location of the treasure. Another fact in the Spanish records is that Cortez built three ships with the shipwrights on the lake and mounted cannons on them when he went to sack the city, so I doubt the story of a portable bridge that has arisen about the escape from the city.

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My friend Jose, Cyanide is one of the other hazards of gold processing the old way. Arsenic is almost always present anywhere you find heavy metals. This is why ores should be processed in the great out doors. Yes, that is the exact smell Cyanide has so I know for a fact you know how the process is done.
 

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Is your hand broken.....That's long bro.....Read it all....LOVE THE TOPIC AND AGREE
 

BennyBacon said:
Is your hand broken.....That's long bro.....Read it all....LOVE THE TOPIC AND AGREE
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Sorry for the extreme length of the debate, it was kind of necessary to get some of the evidence out. Things have gone quiet because most of our skeptics have apparently gotten bored and-or disgusted with the evidence presented, wanting to see something absolute, beyond the Catholic study which listed some mines owned by the Order and the letter from a Jesuit at San Xavier, sent to his brother, complaining that he could not work the mines in safety due to the danger of hostile Indians. I don't know what would convince our skeptics. :dontknow:

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