JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

[jeff of pa]

because I was advised this is related.

you found it, so I guess it is still visible

I suppose the title could be changed to
"This thread has noting to do with JESUIT TREASURES, or the The Lost Gold of the Tumacacori
and all the posts about it have been deleted from this thread" if you's prefer

 

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[deducer]

Couldn't say, I didn't move it.

Yet you are aware that it was moved.

because I was advised this is related.

By who?

you found it, so I guess it is still visible

I only found it by clicking on the ghosted link: "This thread has been moved." And even then, that link won't last long. How will anyone know it's been hidden in the Tumacacorci sub-forum?

I suppose the title could be changed to
"This thread has noting to do with JESUIT TREASURES, or the The Lost Gold of the Tumacacori
and all the posts about it have been deleted from this thread" if you's prefer

Tumacacorci is a specific location, and the gold found there may or may not have anything to do with the Jesuits.

The thread "Are Jesuits treasures real?" does not deal with any specific location, it deals with the premise that the Jesuits hoarded treasure.

Furthermore this thread, at 3,337 replies and 142,559 views is by far and away the most popular thread on this forum, which you have now hidden in a sub-forum where very few will find it. That will probably kill off this thread.

I believe that you both would be doing a disservice to yourselves and to this forum, by letting this happen.

I would highly recommend you at least put this thread back where it was, or you could create another sub-forum entitled "Jesuit Treasures" and park this thread there, along with all other Jesuit related threads, where posters can easily find it.

I am pretty sure that most posters would agree with this recommendation.

 

[jeff of pa]

let me check the rule Book to see if I need to answer to you

Maybe "old" is setting in but I don't see the word Administration under your name.
so excuse me if I Yawn now

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I was aware it was moved because you said it was moved. As far as the ghosted links, unless they are set to expire they last for ever.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Not even close to most popular thread on TN.. Crispin Critters alone has 272k views and 16k replies...

 

[jeff of pa]

Judy you may think you can get away with insults but trust me,
You almost got a Ban for that.
This is your Warning .

Next time I catch one of Your Or any ones Snide remarks
you're going to learn what Being Banned is like

 

[deducer]

let me check the rule Book to see if I need to answer to you

Maybe "old" is setting in but I don't see the word Administration under your name.
so excuse me if I Yawn now

If you're trying to bait me just so you can put me on vacation, you need to try harder than that.

You still haven't answered the question of who "advised" you to move this thread.

Not even close to most popular thread on TN.. Crispin Critters alone has 272k views and 16k replies...

Oops.. the 2nd most popular thread on this forum, sorry.

Still doesn't change my point that Tumacacori really doesn't have anything to do with Jesuit treasures in general.

If you don't want to move it back to where it was, why not create a new sub-forum entitled "Jesuit Treasures"? I think that is a more inclusive topic.

 

[jeff of pa]

Frank me.

JudyH has a full year to regret
Using suggestive Language to make an attack on a Moderator.

Next ?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Deducer, you have issue with moderation, follow TN rules and handle it via PM, not on TN forums....

 

[Azquester]

Gollum was merely the "pork chop" you hung around your neck when you plagiarized Gollum's website and couldn't entice anyone to come to your playground.

Judy, I suggest you read the rules. Threads belong to no one only the forum. Anyone can post on any thread unabated.
Believe me I learned that the hard way.

As for plagiarizing someone's website. I did most of my research long before anyone posting on here and if they have the same material on their website as I post then I had it long before they got it for their site. The Molina map for instance was a Digital photo done with permission of the Treasure Hunter I got it from back in 2000. It was done with a HP 1MP camera and posted on this forum and as far as I know is still in the old archives of this forum.

As for enticing, I entice no one to come to anyone of the forums threads that belong to the forum. I was only being friendly inviting a fellow treasure hunter for a trip down here as they had said they would be hunting down this way on another different thread so you must have assumed I was talking about this one.

I wasn't.

Since you are now on a long vacation I'm not going to bash you after you've been escorted from the building like so many others may do. I'm just going to say I will indeed miss you on here and your humor and look forward to your return someday.

Sorry you were mislead or had misinformation about the threads being moved or my research I've posted.
Maybe the Mods will take that into consideration and let you back early.

Bill

 

[deducer]

Deducer, you have issue with moderation, follow TN rules and handle it via PM, not on TN forums....

PM received. I replied to it.

 

[UncleMatt]

I'm in contact with Judy via email, so I won't miss her at all...

 

[Tnmountains]

Everyone chill out. Moderators have been working on it in the Mod forum for you all while you all get all huffy here.We do not care how many post something has if it gets out of control with attacks its gone. Use the thread where it is right now for the moment you have obviously found it.

 

[gollum]

Everybody,

Since this is my thread, I will throw in my two cents.

As Deducer stated, this thread is about Jesuit Mining and Wealth IN GENERAL. It contains many specific examples of Jesuit Mines and wealth, but specificity was not its purpose.

Tumacacori is a specific treasure story that most definitely is Jesuit in origin.

If my name were on the building, I would say the most technically correct way to show this would be to have a sub-forum named "THE JESUITS".

This thread and Tumacacori would fall inside that heading. There are many Jesuit Treasure Stories that would fall under the group "THE JESUITS".

I personally don't REALLY care where this thread is located. The way I browse postings is to hit the "NEW POSTS" tab after signing in. That way, no matter where any thread has been moved to, whenever somebody makes a post in that thread, it shows up. I could see moving threads is a pain if you fist go to the subforums and don't see it where it used to be.

Just my two pfennigs - Mike

 

[deducer]

IMHO, like Mike (Gollum) says, having a subforum named "The Jesuits" or "Jesuit treasures" would be a great place to park all those threads about the Jesuits, and make it easier for newcomers to find them.

 

[Azquester]

IMHO, like Mike (Gollum) says, having a subforum named "The Jesuits" or "Jesuit treasures" would be a great place to park all those threads about the Jesuits, and make it easier for newcomers to find them.

OK with me as long as the Gold of Tumacacori stays in a category by itself.

The Tumacacori Treasure map has no Jesuit anything at all on it. And the Treasure has never been found.

The only thing the map does say is "Tumacacori" which was the name of a Presidio with a Jesuit Mission that had the same name because it was in that Presidio.

The Mission of Tumacacori in the Presidio of Tumcacori.

It could have been a Presidio Treasure for all we know until it's found we won't.

Thanks,

Bill

 

[Oroblanco]

Hmm seems I caused a lot of trouble here, by making the suggestion that this thread, and another on Jesuit lost mine legends, be moved into this sub forum.

MEA CULPA

My fault!

My apologies for upsetting the apple cart. I simply thought that since there are related topics, it makes sense to collect them into one sub forum which (in theory) would be easier to follow. The gold of Tumacacori has been frequently mentioned in the debate over whether Jesuit treasures are real or not, as can be clearly seen in older posts. Perhaps it might be better to title the subforum The Jesuits or Jesuit Treasures etc. Threads which are not in a sub forum can and do slide off the bottom of the first page of the Treasure Legends portion, which was another reason to suggest they be collected under one head. Some threads related to the Jesuits have already drifted off to distant pages like this one on page 12 of older threads:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/treasure-legends/30503-jesuit.html

Just my opinion but really the lost mine of the iron door really is another Jesuit story, and could be under the same head.

My apologies again for having caused so much rancor, I hope you all have a very pleasant evening.
Oroblanco

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

No apologies needed Oroblanco...👍

 

[deducer]

Hmm seems I caused a lot of trouble here, by making the suggestion that this thread, and another on Jesuit lost mine legends, be moved into this sub forum.

MEA CULPA

My fault!

My apologies for upsetting the apple cart. I simply thought that since there are related topics, it makes sense to collect them into one sub forum which (in theory) would be easier to follow. The gold of Tumacacori has been frequently mentioned in the debate over whether Jesuit treasures are real or not, as can be clearly seen in older posts. Perhaps it might be better to title the subforum The Jesuits or Jesuit Treasures etc. Threads which are not in a sub forum can and do slide off the bottom of the first page of the Treasure Legends portion, which was another reason to suggest they be collected under one head. Some threads related to the Jesuits have already drifted off to distant pages like this one on page 12 of older threads:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/treasure-legends/30503-jesuit.html

Just my opinion but really the lost mine of the iron door really is another Jesuit story, and could be under the same head.

My apologies again for having caused so much rancor, I hope you all have a very pleasant evening.
Oroblanco

Roy, I don't think you did anything wrong here. What you are suggesting does make a lot of sense, and I am starting to warm up to the idea.

I just think it would be a good idea to retitle the subforum from "Lost gold of Tumacacori" to "Jesuit treasures" or something to that effect, like Mike suggested.

"Jesuit Treasures" is a more inclusive title.

 

[Azquester]

Roy, I don't think you did anything wrong here. What you are suggesting does make a lot of sense, and I am starting to warm up to the idea.

I just think it would be a good idea to retitle the subforum from "Lost gold of Tumacacori" to "Jesuit treasures" or something to that effect, like Mike suggested.

"Jesuit Treasures" is a more inclusive title.

But the Map of Tumacacori has no mention of Jesuit Treasure anywhere on it.


Although the Jesuit Warlocks helped hide the mines and treasures for the most part all treasures / mines belonged to the Hacienda owners and the Kings of Spain.

At that time all men were very religious and the Maps were in religious settings of the Catholic Chruch.

So with that "Jesuit" analogy in mind (They worked for the Catholic Church ) we should put all of them under "King's and Hacienda Presidio Treasures".

Personally I would just leave it as it is.