JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

[sailaway]

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS THE LARGEST RESERVES OF GOLD IN THE WORLD ...

Ingots and the largest single holder of ingot / bullion, than any other organization? During the past 1000 years is, and always Has been, the Roman Cult controlling the Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church controls Approximately 60,350 tons of gold, twice the size of the total official gold reserves worldwide, or Approximately 30.2% of all the gold ever mined / produced. At current prices, it is possible to estimate the value of assets, Those that constitute the greatest treasure in the history of humanity is more than 1,245 billion dollars US. Today. The Roman Catholic Church is back in the numbers that are conducted, again to have a dominant position in the field of gold, which has not been witnessed since the fall of the Holy Roman Empire (around 1100) phase, when the church controlled almost 30% of the total gold present in the world.
For most of the past 1000 years, the Catholic Church Has assumed a dominant position that allowed them to control the markets of gold in the world, due to the repute that they owned more than 50% of the whole world's gold, and in a position so dominant, from the fourteenth century until we reach the seventeenth century, to control over 60% of all the gold ever mined.
Such a treasure in its entirety has been divided among several reported reserves and just as many unreported reserves. Only 20% of the reserves's total gold is stored by 'third parties' in official reserves. The largest reserve declared is represented by the Federal Reserve Bank, Followed by the reserves in Italy, Switzerland, Germany and France. The most important private reserves have not been reported and are unknown, but appear to be located in countries of the West and apparently would be associated with the most important private reserves of the oldest private banks and financial companies of Europe.
Here is a spontaneous thought, with all the gold that the Vatican and Italian's have, you would be able to clear the deficit, and with the leftovers could feed the Entire World's need. Why and how is it they accumulated such huge amounts of gold?

Source: Claudio Rendina - book the 'gold of the Vatican
La Chiesa Cattolica Romana ha la riserva di oro più grande al mondo? | Associazione Culturale Il Sicomoro

 

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[doc-d]

And individual parishes hold additional gold, silver and jewels among other treasures……I do not think anybody has a good idea of the total amount held…..
Not exactly sure why the Vatican allowed the Fed Reserve to hold anything, for truly the Fed Reserve is demonic.

 

[sailaway]

doc-d if you research Baphomet you will find it leads back to the fact that the Vatican was built on the original site, and will answer your question.
From the Greek words βαφη μητȢς, baphe metous, to mean Taufe der Weisheit, "Baptism of Wisdom".

 

[monita.secreta]

Hello Roy
If a man, or woman proved what you have just described, he or she would be rich beyond their wildest dreams without ever touching any of this antiquity, and to touch it, would just be unbridled Greed in any true Americans book!
FEMF

which goes to wonder how much of this the archeologists know the whereabouts, more than other people

 

[monita.secreta]

The interior of which lies such splendor as this:

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Not to be outdone by the Church of Saint Ignatius of Loyola at Campus Martius:

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And should you look up to the ceiling, you will see this absolute perspective masterpiece (as the ceiling is curved), painted by a Jesuit lay-brother, Andrea Pozzo. Should you ever get there, look for the marble disk on the floor and stand there for the best view.

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Jesuit treasures...... are they real?

Hmmm...

Gold J
Jesuit Treasure?

 

[doc-d]

The "company" referred to here is the Society of Jesus, the powerful Jesuit order that profoundly influenced religious life in colonial South America. In many cities, Quito included, the local Jesuit church outshone the local cathedral. La Compañía is the most impressive of the capital's 86 churches, with 10 side altars and a high altar plated with gold. The high central nave and the delicacy of its Arab-inspired plasterwork give the church a sumptuous, almost sinfully rich appearance. Indeed, almost half a ton of gold was poured into the ceilings, walls, pulpits, and altars during its 160 years of construction (1605–1765). At the center of the main altar is a statue of the Quiteña saint Mariana de Jesús; her remains are entombed at the foot of the altar.

 

[sailaway]

Are these the copper doors smelted in Tumacacori with large handles and drug by oxen to the site? I see one has fallen over the other and look whats behind them.

Phoenix Star Mine Silver Deposit then the Roy Rodgers Mine in Wickenburg, Copper

One thing I did notice in the figures of the Catholic Church Gold was they went from owning 60% of the worlds gold to 30% after suppression of the Jesuits. Does this mean that if we find the three hidden treasure vaults that the finder would be as rich as the Catholic Church? Just a thought.

 

[monita.secreta]

How logical is it to find spanish, jesuit, mayan carvings on a mountain in the same place?

 

[monita.secreta]

I don't know why... But Daniel 11:43 comes to mind when I see this...

Ed T

does this make you wonder how much of that gold came from the southwest?

 

[monita.secreta]

Another question arises... since the Jesuits mined that gold years ago and have it in secret location throughout the world. Does the Catholic Church know the whereabout of all these locations for further future use?

 

[Oroblanco]

Another question arises... since the Jesuits mined that gold years ago and have it in secret location throughout the world. Does the Catholic Church know the whereabout of all these locations for further future use?

The Jesuits did not apparently share their massive wealth in Mexico with the Catholic Church prior to being expelled, so I very much doubt that the Catholic Church has any knowledge of where the padres were storing their bullion. In fact I would say that there is every reason to think the Church (big C) has not known much about the financial activities of the Jesuits throughout their entire history. It is notable that it was a Catholic study that showed just how extensive the Jesuit holdings were in Mexico, which certainly suggests that the officials of the Church were not being kept informed at any point along the way. Note also that bishop Palafox had brought the information about Jesuits amassing wealth in Mexico (including "very rich silver mines") to the attention of the Pope, which certainly supports the contention that the Pope was not in possession of information about those holdings of the Jesuits or that letter would have been un-needed.

 

[deducer]

The Jesuits did not apparently share their massive wealth in Mexico with the Catholic Church prior to being expelled, so I very much doubt that the Catholic Church has any knowledge of where the padres were storing their bullion. In fact I would say that there is every reason to think the Church (big C) has not known much about the financial activities of the Jesuits throughout their entire history. It is notable that it was a Catholic study that showed just how extensive the Jesuit holdings were in Mexico, which certainly suggests that the officials of the Church were not being kept informed at any point along the way. Note also that bishop Palafox had brought the information about Jesuits amassing wealth in Mexico (including "very rich silver mines") to the attention of the Pope, which certainly supports the contention that the Pope was not in possession of information about those holdings of the Jesuits or that letter would have been un-needed.

Why do you think this is so?

In that the Jesuits spearheaded the counter-reformation movement, they were surely staunch proponents of papal infallibility.

But to entertain the idea that they may have actually concealed information or resources from their mother church raises the controversial possibility that they, as hardliners, may actually have diverged from the position of the Catholic church. Perhaps they viewed the Catholic church as being 'soft' or too infested with politics, and hence, not to be trusted.

Were they then only loyal to their own organization? The answer would seem to be yes. The Jesuits saw themselves as the ultimate faith, but the Catholic church saw them only as one of the many sects competing for attention or financial backing (Dominicans, Franciscans, etc.) and the Jesuits were very likely aware of that.

 

[Oroblanco]

Why do you think this is so?

In that the Jesuits spearheaded the counter-reformation movement, they were surely staunch proponents of papal infallibility.

But to entertain the idea that they may have actually concealed information or resources from their mother church raises the controversial possibility that they, as hardliners, may actually have diverged from the position of the Catholic church. Perhaps they viewed the Catholic church as being 'soft' or too infested with politics, and hence, not to be trusted.

Were they then only loyal to their own organization? The answer would seem to be yes. The Jesuits saw themselves as the ultimate faith, but the Catholic church saw them only as one of the many sects competing for attention or financial backing (Dominicans, Franciscans, etc.) and the Jesuits were very likely aware of that.

Boy you seem to hit that nail right on the head way too often amigo!

The 'why' the Jesuits felt entitled to amass their own fortune is a good question, and you have posted the answer. While they vocally supported the Pope as the infallible head of the Church, in reality they had no scruples about openly disobeying the Pope even when given repeated direct orders (an example in the Chinese Rites scandal) and seem to have felt they had immunities from the power of the Pope in their many written "privileges" granted from the very beginning of the Order and at least up til their suppression in 1773, of which we find a good example in Palafox's tour of Mexico, when the Jesuits refused to show the mission books (financial records) and claimed they had been granted immunity on that point.

We do not have a published manifesto from the Jesuits explaining this seeming paradox about their behavior, claiming to be sworn to obedience and yet fearlessly disobeying openly and repeatedly, claiming to be the staunch counter-reformation militant "arm" of the Church, yet secretly amassing a huge fortune that was unmatched in Mexico and likely in many other places. Why were these funds not simply transferred to Rome? They did send some tithes but only in a few cases, for in many places they had obtained some kind of privilege or exemption that allowed them to ignore the standard practice for monies collected and forwarded to Rome, often based on some rather questionable excuse like the poor starving missions of the frontier. Even there we find more deceptive practices, for those missions were supposed to be exempt from normal Spanish rule and taxation for only ten years, yet in some cases we find Jesuit missions that remained exempt for a century or more!

Oroblanco

 

[UncleMatt]

Wouldn't the Catholic Church have planted spies in the midst of the Jesuits to keep tabs on them and what they were hoarding and doing politically? I imagine such intrigue was common then, as now.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

oro, The mission segment, while important, were expendable, Especially in North America. The normal M.O.D. is represemted in South America. The kings 'council of the Indies' in North America Were apparently aware of the
Jesuit method of operation, but were either too weak, or carried out their own orders in a lackadaisical fashion
because of a latent religious Belief that possibly ------ ?? helped along by the notable ability and willingness
to share funds to certain political powerful persons.

Unk Matt. of course they did,. but remember the Ordained Jesuit was proven loyal, even to the point of death. so it most likely was the lay brothers or coadjutors. Then again perhaps they alowed some of the ordained Jeuits to apparently leak vital information to the vatican or the Kings spies.

This old game is still being player out today.

The courts were such a fantastic play of plots and counter plots,
that even today they are not fully known. Hence so much confusion as who did what to whom

 

[rangler]

one thing comes to mind, the Jessies were n0t requried to paY TAX ON CHURCH VESTMENTS AND ARTIFACTS so they had intensives to go all out...plus they controlled the mines thru front men adjunts or seculars,add egos and completion and these churches became treasuries...all on the backs of slave labor-most worked to death!!The Jesuits had spys jn all the Kings courts of Europe so they knew "what was up"on a daily basis...proof is no "code book" or large treasures was ever confiscated!!!
auriferiously,

rangler

 

[sailaway]

One must remember how remote the missions of Sonora were in the early 1700's. Think of it this way, even today with our air conditioned automobiles we do not care to go to the remote creek beds that the missions are on and most can be accessed by interstate highways. Think if you had to walk along in the heat of the desert guiding a mule to get there, most of us would not go. Some of the locations of the missions make me wonder why they were even built in the chosen spot.

 

[cactusjumper]

one thing comes to mind, the Jessies were n0t requried to paY TAX ON CHURCH VESTMENTS AND ARTIFACTS so they had intensives to go all out...plus they controlled the mines thru front men adjunts or seculars,add egos and completion and these churches became treasuries...all on the backs of slave labor-most worked to death!!The Jesuits had spys jn all the Kings courts of Europe so they knew "what was up"on a daily basis...proof is no "code book" or large treasures was ever confiscated!!!
auriferiously,

rangler

rangler,

You could be right, but can you put a name on the priest who worked his people to death? Was it only one Jesuit who did it, or were all/most guilty? Can you name your source for this information?

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[cactusjumper]

One must remember how remote the missions of Sonora were in the early 1700's. Think of it this way, even today with our air conditioned automobiles we do not care to go to the remote creek beds that the missions are on and most can be accessed by interstate highways. Think if you had to walk along in the heat of the desert guiding a mule to get there, most of us would not go. Some of the locations of the missions make me wonder why they were even built in the chosen spot.

sailaway,

I believe all of the missions were built near plentiful water, a native population and an environment that fostered self sufficiency of the mission.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[deducer]

Wouldn't the Catholic Church have planted spies in the midst of the Jesuits to keep tabs on them and what they were hoarding and doing politically? I imagine such intrigue was common then, as now.

I think this would be extremely difficult to do so. Due to their advanced education and training, it would be fairly easy for one Jesuit to know another Jesuit, and for a non-Jesuit to be smoked out.

How long would you be able to hold a conversation with someone who has around 20 years worth of theological training and went through a rigorous program such as the ratio studiorum?