Kace
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Hey Reb...As far as Dalton thinking that...He was told to say that by Houk/ Jesse James lll /Jesse Lee James. It started as Kentuck said by JOHN James when he tried to convince the world HE was JWJ. HOUK et al used and gave to Dalton the majority of the same stories made up and told by John James as well most of the same signed affidavits attesting John James and J.Frank Dalton were Jesse Woodson James.
If you can...read James Vs Turilli. Also read the JFD papers and read all the stuff from Minnesota that Kentuck posted. There's some great stuff in there that explains a lot. Then read Houks letters. I'll post some other stuff soon.
The JWJ family won multiple lawsuits against these guys who claimed to be JWJ. The judgements were not paid because Turilli appealed then lost the appeal and then died. Stella James decided not to go after his estate. It's extremely hard and expensive to collect on civil judgements. The fact that she won multiple times and proved Dalton was Not JWJ in a court of law on more than one occasion was more important to her than money.
Turilli had a lot to lose and did lose a lot of business at Meremac Caverns due to the court rulings proclaiming Dalton was a fraud... But that didn't stop him, they have a wax museum of Dalton as JWJ and his supposed gang that rivals Madam Trousseau's and Still bills it as Jesse James Hideout. That place is a Road Side carnival type attraction...
Those that signed the affidavits attesting John James and JFD were JWJ were Never charged with giving false statements because the JWJ family didn't go after them. They Won the cases which nullified any false affidavits. It should be mentioned that those who signed the affidavits had either died before or recounted their claims.
Google doesn't research everyone involved in stories like this. It makes it hard for researchers, like you know, to get to the facts. It's extremely time consuming to go so far back especially on this topic when so many authors just repeat what others before them have said. It makes it even harder if the researcher doesn't live close or travel to all these locations.
I'd love to spend time researching my family out your way in Virginia to see and walk where they did instead of just hearing or reading about it, but so far I haven't had the sufficient amount time to devote to that....That's why I really enjoy hearing you and franklin describe and talk about those areas. I've learned a lot.
Charley Bigelow Did Not Exist...Like Baker said, its great to make up a name for a corpse when you're hiding something... Who back then could of imagined all the research tools and easy travel available now to prove or disprove claims?
IF Charley Bigelow did exist and Was A Pinkerton Agent that disappeared, was attacked or killed... Anyone could find that information as All Pinkerton Agents that died or were involved in Pinkerton activities that went sideways have been extremely well documented.
The town of Bigelow that's often repeatedly referred to when talking about Charlie Bigelow is a actually called a Village that's 0.09 in size with maybe 20-30 people living there and located in Holt Co, Missouri. I've been through there quite a few times. I've also been to the cemeteries there and in that area and spent more time than I care to admit looking for Any proof of Bigelows existence for several decades, even before the net...Tax,Birth,Marriage, Military, Census,Property, Talking to people up there, who laugh when that name is mentioned...Even using other given names thinking Charley could be a nickname...Nothing. There's Many researchers who have done this and all come up with zip. I agree that's Not JWJ in that casket photo, I don't know who it is, but I do know it's not Charley Bigelow a Non Existent Man. John James just made it up. He was obsessed with JWJ, spent a year in prison studying everything he could about him and concocted these stories...He, like Dalton was in mental hospitals and Houk was diagnosed as being mentally ill.
Kace
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