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Since you bring up Thomas Jefferson and since this thread is directed at the possibility that Beale was part of a Jefferson shadow family, what do you know about Poplar Forest and how the author of the pamphlet may have been trying to direct his readers there? Let me explain....
In the pamphlet the author, when describing Beale, takes guess that Beale was "from some western portion of the state." Well here's the kicker in this...in 1862, or at the time of his interview with Morriss, Poplar Forest was southwest of Lynchburg, or, "in the western portion of the state." But wait, because there is even more....
In 1773 Jefferson inherited the estate of 4,800 acres (1,900 ha) from his father-in-law, John Wayles. He supervised the laying of the foundations for a new octagonal house in 1806, when President."
Wayles was a slave trader and this is also how Jefferson gained possession of the slave Sally Hemings who was already 3/4 European. Poplar Forest was built with "skilled slave labor" and this structure served as a retreat and a place of escape for Jefferson who was known to take comfort with slave women, just as he did with Sally Hemings. When Jefferson inherited the estate of his father-in-law, Wayles, he also inherited 125/126 slaves that were part of that estate. Beale is described as being of "dark and swarthy complexion with jet black hair and eyes". On top of this, and for some yet to be determined reason, the Hart's had reason to conclude, "Thomas Jefferson Beale."
So it is "extremely possible" that the author of the Beale Papers was playing the role of tattletale to something that was highly sensitive. And if the author was Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward, who was still alive in 1884 just year prior to the publication, then it would only stand to reason his explanation that the secret had been confined to a tight circle of family and one close and trusted friend, this then possibly suggesting that this second generation Thomas J. Beale held knowledge of the first.
It is new and entirely possible and exciting proposals like this that draw 11'000 views in such short order. All of the same old stuff having run aground and been exhausted long ago.
In the pamphlet the author, when describing Beale, takes guess that Beale was "from some western portion of the state." Well here's the kicker in this...in 1862, or at the time of his interview with Morriss, Poplar Forest was southwest of Lynchburg, or, "in the western portion of the state." But wait, because there is even more....
In 1773 Jefferson inherited the estate of 4,800 acres (1,900 ha) from his father-in-law, John Wayles. He supervised the laying of the foundations for a new octagonal house in 1806, when President."
Wayles was a slave trader and this is also how Jefferson gained possession of the slave Sally Hemings who was already 3/4 European. Poplar Forest was built with "skilled slave labor" and this structure served as a retreat and a place of escape for Jefferson who was known to take comfort with slave women, just as he did with Sally Hemings. When Jefferson inherited the estate of his father-in-law, Wayles, he also inherited 125/126 slaves that were part of that estate. Beale is described as being of "dark and swarthy complexion with jet black hair and eyes". On top of this, and for some yet to be determined reason, the Hart's had reason to conclude, "Thomas Jefferson Beale."
So it is "extremely possible" that the author of the Beale Papers was playing the role of tattletale to something that was highly sensitive. And if the author was Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward, who was still alive in 1884 just year prior to the publication, then it would only stand to reason his explanation that the secret had been confined to a tight circle of family and one close and trusted friend, this then possibly suggesting that this second generation Thomas J. Beale held knowledge of the first.

It is new and entirely possible and exciting proposals like this that draw 11'000 views in such short order. All of the same old stuff having run aground and been exhausted long ago.

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