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[bigscoop]

There are more Beale's than you can count for the time we are looking at . I am taking a closer look at a few misspellings of the name . One is how in some of the books of the 1820's have Captain Beale of the Battle of New Orleans with his last name spelled BEAL .

There is the fact that we have a letter in St Louis at the same time that Mr Morriss read he would be there . The name used there was Beall . I have looked at some of the signatures Beale used that make the E in the last part of his name look like a L .

Than there is the Captain Thomas J Beall going to New Orleans . There was no Captain Thomas Beall, Beal or Beell at the year of 1816 . The only Captain Thomas Beale was from New Orleans about and he was a famous person at the time . He married Royalty of that area the child of Carlos de GrandPre, Governor of Spanish West Florida .

Well you keep at it as all of these same dead ends have been traveled many times before over the years by some of the best in the business with no resolve for all of the very reasons you face now......

 

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[ECS]

Was it ECS ?

You have not explained what you meant by that previous remark.
What was it all about, Laf?

 

[bigscoop]

Without turning yet another thread into the pointless swinging of swords and the tossing of insults in frustration, there are also more problems to be encountered with the T.J. Beall of the Smyrna.

On top of everything else, let us assume that he was indeed the captain of the famous New Orleans sharp shooters....so what? If he was then he certainly wasn't the Thomas Beale of Fincastle so how does New Orleans now figure into the Beale tale? In fact, how did New Orleans even become a part of the original source/narration? Clearly New Orleans only figures into the tale due to the romance that surrounded the duel between Thomas Beale & Risque, this Beale then having left for New Orleans. In either case neither of the Beales/Bealls add up to being the Beale in the narration and this is still clearly the case even when one wishes to make then the same man, which they clearly were not. All of this has been hashed out and rehashed endless times over the years to the same conclusions. Not likely that it's going to spawn any new provenance no matter how many times the same old info gets tossed back and forth.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Without turning yet another thread into the pointless swinging of swords and the tossing of insults in frustration, there are also more problems to be encountered with the T.J. Beall of the Smyrna.

On top of everything else, let us assume that he was indeed the captain of the famous New Orleans sharp shooters....so what? If he was then he certainly wasn't the Thomas Beale of Fincastle so how does New Orleans now figure into the Beale tale? In fact, how did New Orleans even become a part of the original source/narration? Clearly New Orleans only figures into the tale due to the romance that surrounded the duel between Thomas Beale & Risque, this Beale then having left for New Orleans. In either case neither of the Beales/Bealls add up to being the Beale in the narration and this is still clearly the case even when one wishes to make then the same man, which they clearly were not. All of this has been hashed out and rehashed endless times over the years to the same conclusions. Not likely that it's going to spawn any new provenance no matter how many times the same old info gets tossed back and forth.

Use of the "BEALE" name, ONLY.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

You have not explained what you meant by that previous remark.
What was it all about, Laf?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Avoidance Behavior...

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Without turning yet another thread into the pointless swinging of swords and the tossing of insults in frustration, there are also more problems to be encountered with the T.J. Beall of the Smyrna.

On top of everything else, let us assume that he was indeed the captain of the famous New Orleans sharp shooters....so what? If he was then he certainly wasn't the Thomas Beale of Fincastle so how does New Orleans now figure into the Beale tale? In fact, how did New Orleans even become a part of the original source/narration? Clearly New Orleans only figures into the tale due to the romance that surrounded the duel between Thomas Beale & Risque, this Beale then having left for New Orleans. In either case neither of the Beales/Bealls add up to being the Beale in the narration and this is still clearly the case even when one wishes to make then the same man, which they clearly were not. All of this has been hashed out and rehashed endless times over the years to the same conclusions. Not likely that it's going to spawn any new provenance no matter how many times the same old info gets tossed back and forth.

Well, now that we have you on the same page, the Beale of the Battle of New Orleans has been missing that elusive J for his name . This is just what we have been looking for to link a J to a Beale that had a history in the area of Bedford . In this case about 10 miles from Bufords Tavern is Fincastle . If its all about the J as you guys have been ranting all along, Here's your proof of J .

If in fact we can say that Captain Thomas J Beale Sr is the only one to have all of the profile of TJB covered, as I have been trying for 1 year to prove HE IS NOT THE ONE AND ONLY !

The facts are all there He moved freely around the Orleans territory as the transportation of the time would allow .

First sight by Morriss was in 1820, We know that the story by TJB was not 100% truth yet to cover some covert action by him and the 30 . We know he did not mine the gold yet it was a RECOVERY plan that the details are now just coming out .

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, now that we have you on the same page, the Beale of the Battle of New Orleans has been missing that elusive J for his name . This is just what we have been looking for to link a J to a Beale that had a history in the area of Bedford . In this case about 10 miles from Bufords Tavern is Fincastle . If its all about the J as you guys have been ranting all along, Here's your proof of J .

If in fact we can say that Captain Thomas J Beale Sr is the only one to have all of the profile of TJB covered, as I have been trying for 1 year to prove HE IS NOT THE ONE AND ONLY !

The facts are all there He moved freely around the Orleans territory as the transportation of the time would allow .

First sight by Morriss was in 1820, We know that the story by TJB was not 100% truth yet to cover some covert action by him and the 30 . We know he did not mine the gold yet it was a RECOVERY plan that the details are now just coming out .

Eh...?

 

[franklin]

Well, now that we have you on the same page, the Beale of the Battle of New Orleans has been missing that elusive J for his name . This is just what we have been looking for to link a J to a Beale that had a history in the area of Bedford . In this case about 10 miles from Bufords Tavern is Fincastle . If its all about the J as you guys have been ranting all along, Here's your proof of J .

If in fact we can say that Captain Thomas J Beale Sr is the only one to have all of the profile of TJB covered, as I have been trying for 1 year to prove HE IS NOT THE ONE AND ONLY !

The facts are all there He moved freely around the Orleans territory as the transportation of the time would allow .

First sight by Morriss was in 1820, We know that the story by TJB was not 100% truth yet to cover some covert action by him and the 30 . We know he did not mine the gold yet it was a RECOVERY plan that the details are now just coming out .

What Recovery Plan? What proof have you? Only speculation about a lost gold mine that had no connection to TJB or his men. Where is the documented proof of TJB and his men recovering any gold out West?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Avoidance Behavior...

You just need more Coffee !

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You just need more Coffee !

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Nah;. YOU just need to answer ECS's questions... I drink DECAF, ANYWAY! PFFFFTH!

 

[bigscoop]

Well, now that we have you on the same page, the Beale of the Battle of New Orleans has been missing that elusive J for his name . This is just what we have been looking for to link a J to a Beale that had a history in the area of Bedford . In this case about 10 miles from Bufords Tavern is Fincastle . If its all about the J as you guys have been ranting all along, Here's your proof of J .

If in fact we can say that Captain Thomas J Beale Sr is the only one to have all of the profile of TJB covered, as I have been trying for 1 year to prove HE IS NOT THE ONE AND ONLY !

The facts are all there He moved freely around the Orleans territory as the transportation of the time would allow .

First sight by Morriss was in 1820, We know that the story by TJB was not 100% truth yet to cover some covert action by him and the 30 . We know he did not mine the gold yet it was a RECOVERY plan that the details are now just coming out .

Jean, sorry, but I think ARRC made a correct reference when he used Swiss cheese as example. Do you really think Thomas Beale was a live and well when his estate was being so highly contested, because make no mistake, Thomas J. Beall was alive and well known during the period. So you can scrap the Smyrna non-sense. Very clearly the TJB of the Smyrna was not "a part" of your Fincastle Beale.

"Excuse me, Supreme Court, but TJB is still alive and well and serving at post."

You just can't keep mixing up "all of the various profiles" of these Bealls/Beals/Beales as if they were the same man when they very-very clearly were not.

(Captain, 2d Infantry,
in Re-organization of Army, June 1, 1821)

N. Y., 1820‑21; on frontier duty at Sackett's Harbor, N. Y., 1821‑22, — and Sault Ste. Marie, Mich., 1822‑25; on Recruiting service, 1825‑27;
(Bvt. Major, Sep. 26, 1828, for Faithful Service Ten Years in one Grade)
p97 and on frontier duty at Ft. Brady, Mich., 1827‑28, — Ft. Gratiot, Mich.,
(Transferred to 1st Infantry, Jan. 31, 1829)
1828‑29, Ft. Winnebago, Wis., 1829‑30, 1831, and Ft. Armstrong, Ill., 1831‑32, continuing there during the "Black Hawk War" of 1832 against the Sac Indians.

 

[ECS]

... YOU just need to answer ECS's questions...

Waiting, Laf.
PS: While you are at it, you can also explain that "Darwin award" photo remark.

 

[bigscoop]

It all comes down to this in the end.....

The Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward "is the only" Thomas J. Beale of description during the era of the Beale papers and it is with great certainty, at the very least, that he held some amount of knowledge/awareness about that publication. All of these other proposed Beale/Beall/Beal connections just represent wishful thinking in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence. So if there is an alternate solution behind the Beale papers it's best we stick to the possible instead of repeatedly romancing the impossible.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Jean, sorry, but I think ARRC made a correct reference when he used Swiss cheese as example. Do you really think Thomas Beale was a live and well when his estate was being so highly contested, because make no mistake, Thomas J. Beall was alive and well known during the period. So you can scrap the Smyrna non-sense. Very clearly the TJB of the Smyrna was not "a part" of your Fincastle Beale.

"Excuse me, Supreme Court, but TJB is still alive and well and serving at post."

You just can't keep mixing up "all of the various profiles" of these Bealls/Beals/Beales as if they were the same man when they very-very clearly were not.

(Captain, 2d Infantry,
in Re-organization of Army, June 1, 1821)

N. Y., 1820‑21; on frontier duty at Sackett's Harbor, N. Y., 1821‑22, — and Sault Ste. Marie, Mich., 1822‑25; on Recruiting service, 1825‑27;
(Bvt. Major, Sep. 26, 1828, for Faithful Service Ten Years in one Grade)
p97 and on frontier duty at Ft. Brady, Mich., 1827‑28, — Ft. Gratiot, Mich.,
(Transferred to 1st Infantry, Jan. 31, 1829)
1828‑29, Ft. Winnebago, Wis., 1829‑30, 1831, and Ft. Armstrong, Ill., 1831‑32, continuing there during the "Black Hawk War" of 1832 against the Sac Indians.

Wrong Beale there Bro ! LOL

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Waiting, Laf.
PS: While you are at it, you can also explain that "Darwin award" photo remark.

I'm still waiting on you from questions from last year you would not answer .

 

[TN_Guest1523]

What Recovery Plan? What proof have you? Only speculation about a lost gold mine that had no connection to TJB or his men. Where is the documented proof of TJB and his men recovering any gold out West?

What proof do you have that Captain Thomas J Beale Sr died . Only Speculation !

 

[Rebel - KGC]

HA! There IS NO Capt. Thomas J. Beale... ONLY in YOUR mind. ONLY Thomas Beale, Sr. that went down to N.O. and became CAPTAIN of his "BAR-HOPPERS" at his Tavern in the French Quarters... NO "J"! Capt. Thomas Beale, Sr.'s RIFLES (VOLUNTEERS) did fight in the Battle of New Orleans... (singing Battle of New Orleans by Johnny Horton... thought it was J.D.). DANG! Now gotta fix a Jimmy Dean Sausage Sandwich... DYK...? J.D. has a home on the James River, below Richmond, Va.? Eagles on the JR were EVERYWHERE! Went on the Anabelle Lee Riverboat tour... wife & I LOVED IT! HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

 

[bigscoop]

Wrong Beale there Bro ! LOL

If you say so. Just pick one then, as it's pretty obvious that's exactly what you're doing out of pure convenience. But in the end it all comes down to this...

The Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward "is the only" Thomas J. Beale of description and record during the era of the Beale papers and it is with great certainty, at the very least, that he held some amount of knowledge/awareness about that publication. All of these other proposed Beale/Beall/Beal connections just represent wishful thinking in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence. So if there is an alternate solution behind the Beale papers it's best we stick to the possible instead of repeatedly romancing the impossible.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

J.D., RIP!