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[Rebel - KGC]

If you say so. Just pick one then, as it's pretty obvious that's exactly what you're doing out of pure convenience. But in the end it all comes down to this...

The Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward "is the only" Thomas J. Beale of description and record during the era of the Beale papers and it is with great certainty, at the very least, that he held some amount of knowledge/awareness about that publication. All of these other proposed Beale/Beall/Beal connections just represent wishful thinking in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence. So if there is an alternate solution behind the Beale papers it's best we stick to the possible instead of repeatedly romancing the impossible.

Tell us MORE about "Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward"... INQUIRING MINDS wanna KNOW! SUNNY out!

 

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[ECS]

I'm still waiting on you from questions from last year you would not answer .

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the disparaging remarks that you made.
Still waiting, Laf, for your explanation.

 

[ECS]

It all comes down to this in the end.....

The Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward "is the only" Thomas J. Beale of description during the era of the Beale papers and it is with great certainty, at the very least, that he held some amount of knowledge/awareness about that publication...

So you have found a description of Alderman Thomas J Beale that states he was six feet in height, wore his hair longer than most of that time, had black eyes, and was symmetrical and extremely strong- "a model of manly beauty favored by the ladies and envied by men" that read the 1885 Beale Papers?
Where did you fnd this information, or is this more unbridled speculation?

 

[bigscoop]

So you have found a description of Alderman Thomas J Beale that states he was six feet in height, wore his hair longer than most of that time, had black eyes, and was symmetrical and extremely strong- "a model of manly beauty favored by the ladies and envied by men" that read the 1885 Beale Papers?
Where did you fnd this information, or is this more unbridled speculation?

Put down your war sword before you poke yourself in the eye with it, do that and you'll never get it upgraded from rubber to shiny plastic come next Christmas.
What, you're not gaining any ground with your war with Jean so you decided to renew your battlefront with me again?
Boy, noway could I have anticipated that this was coming.

 

[bigscoop]

So you have found a description of Alderman Thomas J Beale that states he was six feet in height, wore his hair longer than most of that time, had black eyes, and was symmetrical and extremely strong- "a model of manly beauty favored by the ladies and envied by men" that read the 1885 Beale Papers?
Where did you fnd this information, or is this more unbridled speculation?

But seriously, you're just not catching on at all, are you? Now before you draw that sword really consider how the following might actually serve to make your fiction theory MUCH-MUCH stronger.

The only known Thomas J. Beale of the Beale papers era was in Jackson Ward, Richmond, serving as an alderman in 1884, this being just one year prior to the pamphlet's publication. Now what might this do for your theory if you can establish that Ward knew of him? HELLO!

You see, if Ward knew him, and if not a shadow family thing or something of that nature, then what is the only other possible scenario that remains? Geeeezzzzz.....you're so geared up for war that can't see the forest for the trees! Maybe you should put that sword down and come to realize that my goal is to actually introduce and eliminate all other possibilities, no matter how improbable, before "I" quote Sir Author Doyle.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

BIG "If", tho... isn't it...? "IF" DON'T COUNT... show PROOF that Ward "knew him"...

 

[bigscoop]

BIG "If", tho... isn't it...? "IF" DON'T COUNT... show PROOF that Ward "knew him"...

Not really that big of an "if" at all. Lynchburg and Richmond were only about 90 miles apart and the amount of traffic between the two destinations was heavy. Also, Beale was an alderman, which means that he was a representative of his ward within that city so he was clearly well connected in that city and that ward. In 1884 Beale would have only been 57 years old and just 35 in 1862 which is in line with his having been "young enough" to pursue the matter. So remember, in 1862 we still have just this same Thomas J. Beale as being the only Thomas J. Beale of record during the era and it is "extremely" doubtful that he wasn't, at the very least, aware that his name and general likeness was being used in a heavily advertised tale of treasure just 90 miles down the road. So I think there is more then enough to turn the "if" into a "very likely probability." After all of the advertising and all of the traffic that was going back and forth between the two destinations it is extremely doubtful that he wasn't aware of the situation.

 

[bigscoop]

Also, let us not forget that the author even made it point to express his important business affairs in Richmond, the very city where in 1884, our only Thomas j. Beale of record resided. So with all of this I think it is, perhaps, a bit naive to assume that he wasn't aware of the Beale pamphlet. I don't see any way that he couldn't have, at the very least, been made aware of it.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, at age 35, he coulda fought in the CONFEDERATE WAR... did he...?

 

[bigscoop]

Pretty certain that the narration has nothing to do with the Civil War, KGC, Freemasons, or any of that other highly romanticized stuff. Did he take active service in the war? Could be, but not very likely that any record of that service will be found with so many having already searched for such details, which makes if doubtful.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Pretty certain that the narration has nothing to do with the Civil War, KGC, Freemasons, or any of that other highly romanticized stuff. Did he take active service in the war? Could be, but not very likely that any record of that service will be found with so many having already searched for such details, which makes if doubtful.

Hmmm... Richmond, Va. NOTHING in O.R. (Official Records), eh...?

 

[ECS]

... So remember, in 1862 we still have just this same Thomas J. Beale as being the only Thomas J. Beale of record during the era and it is "extremely" doubtful that he wasn't, at the very least, aware that his name and general likeness was being used in a heavily advertised tale of treasure just 90 miles down the road...

Are you claiming that the future Alderman Beale met with Morriss during the 2nd year of the Confederate War?
This theory by your "unknown author" gets more fantastic by the posting.
A couple of hard solid facts would be a nice compliment to this pure speculation.

 

[ECS]

...
What, you're not gaining any ground with your war with Jean...

What war with Laf?
All I requested is for him to explain his two comments, a rather simple task for a man with his credentials.

 

[ECS]

...

The only known Thomas J. Beale of the Beale papers era was in Jackson Ward, Richmond, serving as an alderman in 1884, this being just one year prior to the pamphlet's publication...

The only known information on this Beale is his birthdate in 1827 as free man of color, and that he was an Alderman of Jackson Ward, Richmond, in 1884.
That's it!
Not much to connect to the Beale Papers except for "what ifs", "highly probable" or any other speculative phase that one can conjure.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the disparaging remarks that you made.
Still waiting, Laf, for your explanation.

Many shall seek and few shall find.

But I did find this !

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Pretty certain that the narration has nothing to do with the Civil War, KGC, Freemasons, or any of that other highly romanticized stuff. Did he take active service in the war? Could be, but not very likely that any record of that service will be found with so many having already searched for such details, which makes if doubtful.

WRONG! 1862... 2nd Year of the CONFEDERATE WAR... THE SECRET was being REVEALED... BUT! Author was CALLED TO RICHMOND!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"THE PLOT" THICKENS...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Many shall seek and few shall find.

But I did find this !

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So much for "creds", eh... a FAKE!

 

[TN_Guest1523]

So much for "creds", eh... a FAKE!

LOL, Yes the Celeste Beale Diary is a FAKE !

Right ECS

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL, Yes the Celeste Beale Diary is a FAKE !

Right ECS

LOL! AND! YOU believed it, tho... ROFL.