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The only known information on this Beale is his birthdate in 1827 as free man of color, and that he was an Alderman of Jackson Ward, Richmond, in 1884.
That's it!
Not much to connect to the Beale Papers except for "what ifs", "highly probable" or any other speculative phase that one can conjure.

"What ifs" and "possibilities" are the foundation of research. Without these motivations there would be no research and no discoveries. And like the man said, first have to eliminate the possibilities......until one does all else is just blind assumption. :thumbsup:
 

"What ifs" and "possibilities" are the foundation of research. Without these motivations there would be no research and no discoveries. And like the man said, first have to eliminate the possibilities......until one does all else is just blind assumption. :thumbsup:
If you say so... STILL not convinced.
 

LOL! AND! YOU believed it, tho... ROFL.

Now that we have verified the Celeste Beale Diary as a FAKE . Thanks Reb .

Now we can move on to Non Fictional Documents for proof of facts, and I am not referring to newspaper stories .
 

FAKE Just like everything else you post.

ECS, Don't ever give any information to this FAKER. Let him earn it like everyone else.

And as you said you will have to earn your info, for you will not get my documentation .
 

If you say so... STILL not convinced.

Not trying to convince anyone.....just trying to get folks to look in new places instead of continuing to look for answers in all of the same old dirt and places of romance that have been turned over time and time again over the years without resolve. Keep doing the same things and no big surprise that the same old solutions just keep getting reintroduced and reinvented. i.e., Captain Thomas J. Beall. :thumbsup:
 

Jean, sorry, but I think ARRC made a correct reference when he used Swiss cheese as example. Do you really think Thomas Beale was a live and well when his estate was being so highly contested, because make no mistake, Thomas J. Beall was alive and well known during the period. So you can scrap the Smyrna non-sense. Very clearly the TJB of the Smyrna was not "a part" of your Fincastle Beale.

"Excuse me, Supreme Court, but TJB is still alive and well and serving at post." :laughing7:

You just can't keep mixing up "all of the various profiles" of these Bealls/Beals/Beales as if they were the same man when they very-very clearly were not. :thumbsup:

(Captain, 2d Infantry,
in Re-organization of Army, June 1, 1821)

N. Y., 1820‑21; on frontier duty at Sackett's Harbor, N. Y., 1821‑22, — and Sault Ste. Marie, Mich., 1822‑25; on Recruiting service, 1825‑27;
(Bvt. Major, Sep. 26, 1828, for Faithful Service Ten Years in one Grade)
p97 and on frontier duty at Ft. Brady, Mich., 1827‑28, — Ft. Gratiot, Mich.,
(Transferred to 1st Infantry, Jan. 31, 1829)
1828‑29, Ft. Winnebago, Wis., 1829‑30, 1831, and Ft. Armstrong, Ill., 1831‑32, continuing there during the "Black Hawk War" of 1832 against the Sac Indians.

April 17 1816

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Right, and? All of this is just proving that he wasn't your man. Couldn't possibly be your man. You can't take just a tiny portion of it and twist that tiny portion into only what you want to believe.....you have to take that entire information. Not a chance that he's your Fincastle Beale. :thumbsup:
 

Right, and? All of this is just proving that he wasn't your man. Couldn't possibly be your man. You can't take just a tiny portion of it and twist that tiny portion into only what you want to believe.....you have to take that entire information. Not a chance that he's your Fincastle Beale. :thumbsup:

LT Thomas Jones Beall is not my man ! :notworthy:

This is just to prove your dates are wrong that you have said he LT Thomas Beall was going down the river on the Syrna .
The Fact that Captain Thomas J Beale Sr was the man going down the river is what I am looking at .

I know this can be confusing for some of our seasoned arm chair history buffs like ECS, but I am simply looking at ONE name on my list .

Captain Thomas J Beale Sr born in VA Fincastle area moved to New Orleans about 1809 or so and was TJB
 

LT Thomas Jones Beall is not my man ! :notworthy:

This is just to prove your dates are wrong that you have said he LT Thomas Beall was going down the river on the Syrna .
The Fact that Captain Thomas J Beale Sr was the man going down the river is what I am looking at .

I know this can be confusing for some of our seasoned arm chair history buffs like ECS, but I am simply looking at ONE name on my list .

Captain Thomas J Beale Sr born in VA Fincastle area moved to New Orleans about 1809 or so and was TJB

You're missing the point.....it doesn't matter how you go about it....."the extended service dates" of these various Beall's establish that they were all still alive well after the Thomas Beale of Fincastle death, regardless which date of death for him one wishes to select. So VERY CLEARLY these are different individuals. :thumbsup::notworthy:
 

You're missing the point.....it doesn't matter how you go about it....."the extended service dates" of these various Beall's establish that they were all still alive well after the Thomas Beale of Fincastle death, regardless which date of death for him one wishes to select. So VERY CLEARLY these are different individuals. :thumbsup::notworthy:
AND! There is NO documented middle name/initial for THOMAS BEALE, Sr. of Fincastle, Va./New Orleans, La.
 

AND! There is NO documented middle name/initial for THOMAS BEALE, Sr. of Fincastle, Va./New Orleans, La.

Correct. For some reason these newbies fail to realize that all of this is nothing new and that it has all been hashed out time and time again over the years to the same decided and decisive end. A load of variables that they never bother to consider until it's too late - even when that information is staring them squarely in the face. No "j" and Thomas Beale of Fincastle was clearly dead while the others were still living. Obvious conclusion......"Different men." PERIOD! And most of this had been researched and discovered even before there were computers and the internet. :thumbsup:
 

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I know this can be confusing for some of our seasoned arm chair history buffs like ECS, but I am simply looking at ONE name on my list .

Captain Thomas J Beale Sr born in VA Fincastle area moved to New Orleans about 1809 or so and was TJB
What is confusing is how you have added a "J" to the name of Thomas Beale when there never was one.
 

You're missing the point.....it doesn't matter how you go about it....."the extended service dates" of these various Beall's establish that they were all still alive well after the Thomas Beale of Fincastle death, regardless which date of death for him one wishes to select. So VERY CLEARLY these are different individuals. :thumbsup::notworthy:

Thomas Beale of Fincastle death, this is the problem there is no death of this beale . I can not find it and no one here can prove it .

Sorry guy's the death of Thomas J Beale Sr is not proven and remains open no matter how much you wish him dead in 1820 . Just looking for the hard evidence that no one has . No one has proof just what someone said and that is not good evidence . You have been bewitched into thinking this man is dead .

I have documentation of Thomas Beale and his wife Celeste Beale at a christening in 1822 after his last daughter was born .

Were is the evidence that this man is dead to trump this evidence he was alive ?????????????
 

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Thomas Beale of Fincastle death, this is the problem there is no death of this beale . I can not find it and no one here can prove it .

Sorry guy's the death of Thomas J Beale Sr is not proven and remains open no matter how much you wish him dead in 1820 . Just looking for the hard evidence that no one has . No one has proof just what someone said and that is not good evidence . You have been bewitched into thinking this man is dead .

I have documentation of Thomas Beale and his wife Celeste Beale at a christening in 1822 after his last daughter was born .

Were is the evidence that this man is dead to trump this evidence he was alive ?????????????
There was/is NO Thomas J. Beale, Sr.; ONLY Thomas Beale, Sr.! Show Documentation "of Christening"...
 

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