Its End Game

Fiction or any semblance of truth in writing can reflect historic or current events , people and conditions to tell a tale..
The authors mind at work can weave what ever pattern with whatever materials to communicate with.
I have no end result for the papers.
Would know more if the author's true objective was known.
 

Fiction or any semblance of truth in writing can reflect historic or current events , people and conditions to tell a tale..
The authors mind at work can weave what ever pattern with whatever materials to communicate with.
I have no end result for the papers.
Would know more if the author's true objective was known.

And for some of us there's the real nudge, having nothing to do with fantasies of fabulous treasure discoveries, but rather our purpose resides in the discovering of the author's true objective and purpose, which to us must absolutely be determined before anything else. :thumbsup:
 

In general summation this new "theory" proposes the very real possibility that Ward knew the TJB of Jackson Ward, Virginia, and that the "arranged interviews" possibly took place at Ward's residence, or something of this comparable nature. An open mind is all that has been asked and when one considers the nature of this new proposal then this proposal certainly completes the TJB, Ward, Morriss circle. What this summation also proposes is that the TJB of Jackson Ward was second generation, as in a "Jr." if you will, this also explaining why the author made two separate references in regards to Richmond, the first being in reference to the home of those who had accompanied the first generation TJB who were narrated to have lived, "near Richmond"....Jackson Ward not yet being part of the Richmond proper. And of course the second reference to Richmond, in 1862 and a full generation later, as being that place where the author held important business affairs, this likely in reference to the second generation TJB who was serving as alderman in Jackson Ward, now a part of the Richmond proper in 1884/85 when the story was likely penned and eventually published. And evidence does exist that supports the notion that J.B.Ward routinely visited Richmond which when considering that all of the people in the Beale papers were indeed real people then it becomes most unlikely that he did not at least know of Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward, Richmond. So this new "theory" is very sound, indeed. :thumbsup:
 

In general summation this new "theory" proposes the very real possibility that Ward knew the TJB of Jackson Ward, Virginia, and that the "arranged interviews" possibly took place at Ward's residence, or something of this comparable nature. An open mind is all that has been asked and when one considers the nature of this new proposal then this proposal certainly completes the TJB, Ward, Morriss circle. What this summation also proposes is that the TJB of Jackson Ward was second generation, as in a "Jr." if you will, this also explaining why the author made two separate references in regards to Richmond, the first being in reference to the home of those who had accompanied the first generation TJB who were narrated to have lived, "near Richmond"....Jackson Ward not yet being part of the Richmond proper. And of course the second reference to Richmond, in 1862 and a full generation later, as being that place where the author held important business affairs, this likely in reference to the second generation TJB who was serving as alderman in Jackson Ward, now a part of the Richmond proper in 1884/85 when the story was likely penned and eventually published. And evidence does exist that supports the notion that J.B.Ward routinely visited Richmond which when considering that all of the people in the Beale papers were indeed real people then it becomes most unlikely that he did not at least know of Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward, Richmond. So this new "theory" is very sound, indeed. :thumbsup:

Without showing your hand.....How noble an enterprise is suggested? Such as a humanitarian objective...
Or was it more whimsical in nature and/ or simply a fundraiser?
Seems too complicated to be simply for entertainment , when so much time elapsed between the goal posts.
 

Alderman Thomas J Beale was born in 1827, in Richmond's 2nd Ward, parents, unknown. Who raised this boy into a man?
This is another mystery to be solved before one can connect this Beale to Morriss, Ward, or to the 1885 Beale Papers.
 

One of the greatest assets in presenting theories to public forums is the access to valuable feedback, both that feedback in support and that feedback that carries contrary evidence and viewpoints. It is from all of this that a theory discovers its true strengths and weaknesses.


Theories are just that, they are summations of possibilities that still lack conclusive outcomes. As it just so happens, and by all of my past experience with this mystery and by what I have seen lately, that I feel this new theory is an extremely strong possibility, if not a most accurate summation. Does this mean that this summation is conclusive? No, it only means that there exist multiple sound reason to make it a very strong possibility, its continued gaining of strength further supported by the total lack of any evidence to the contrary in these forums.


The one downfall to putting anything to the test in these forums is the huge misunderstanding that exist between theory and conclusive fact that exist within the forum membership, this and the unrelenting nature of some to respond in total and pure defense of other theories that they currently support. But these type of responses have always existed so one simply has to tolerate and separate these expected disturbances and remain focused on the objectives at hand. Having said all of this, this new theory, or possibility, is still standing pretty darn strong and its certainly earning further consideration. :thumbsup:
 

Alderman Thomas J Beale was born in 1827, in Richmond's 2nd Ward, parents, unknown. Who raised this boy into a man?
This is another mystery to be solved before one can connect this Beale to Morriss, Ward, or to the 1885 Beale Papers.

Another area one needs to explore is that of J.B. Ward and his possible interactions with/in the Richmond area? For instance, did he have family there, and if so who were they and where exactly did they reside? Did he conduct business in Richmond, and if so, what type? It is extremely unlikely that he wasn't aware that a TJB existed in Richmond, nor is it very likely that this TJB wasn't aware that his name and general description was being used in a story about a fabulous treasure, this publication being just 90 miles down the road and in a city where residents of Richmond and that city frequently exchanged business and traffic. :thumbsup:

PS: All of the other names in the Beale papers represent real identities, so why not Thomas J. Beale? Not very likely that he wasn't a real identity as well.
 

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Alderman Thomas J Beale was born in 1827, in Richmond's 2nd Ward, parents, unknown. Who raised this boy into a man?
This is another mystery to be solved before one can connect this Beale to Morriss, Ward, or to the 1885 Beale Papers.

There is reason why I posted a link to the Sally Hemmings information a while back. This wasn't to confuse, though I'm sure it did confuse many. The point in posting that information was in the displaying of something that was all too common back in the day.....this being in regard to her last bloodline, history, and last name, Hemmings. As was common back in the day, when "slaves" gave birth to the children of their masters, and even their husbands, these children often maintained the last names of their mothers. Also you will note that many of them were given their freedom. Perhaps in this we might begin to form theory around the possible parents of, "Thomas J. Beale." This perhaps also offering some curious possibilities in regards to who the Harts had come to identify so many years prior as a, Thomas jefferson Beale?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Hemings
 

There exist some very intriguing history in regards to racially mixed families and their treatment during the period;

In 1773, the year after Jefferson married the young widow Martha Wayles Skelton, her father died. She and Jefferson inherited his estate, including 11,000 acres, 135 slaves, and £4,000 of debt. With this inheritance, Jefferson became deeply involved with interracial families and financial burden. As a widower, his father-in-law John Wayles had taken his mulatto slave Betty Hemings as a concubine and had six children with her during his last 12 years.[SUP][22][/SUP] The Wayles-Hemings children were three-quarters English and one-quarter African in ancestry; they were half-siblings to Martha Wayles Jefferson and her sister. Betty Hemings and her 10 mixed-race children (as she had four children before being with Wayles), were among the slaves who were moved to Monticello. Betty's youngest child, Sally Hemings, was an infant in 1773. The Betty Hemings descendants were trained and assigned to domestic service and highly skilled artisan positions at Monticello; none worked in the fields. Over the years, some served Jefferson directly for decades as personal valets and butlers.

But what about those salves that were not moved to Monticello? And of all the slaves Jefferson inherited did any of them maintain the sir name, Beale? This new theory presents many intriguing possibilities as to Thomas J. Beale and just exactly how the Harts may have arrived at Thomas Jefferson Beale?

PS: Bear in mind that with his inheritance that Jefferson assumed control over a lot of slaves that were already of mixed races, this including Sally Hemmings who was already 3/4 European, which explains her white features and lighter complexion.
 

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Back in the day they were called, shadow families, and their existence was actually quite common among many slave/plantation owners. What's interesting here is that many remained totally detached from these shadow families while others actively provided education and training. On several different occasions Jefferson cites the need to educate and train slaves so they can function in society before their being given their freedom.

The will of John Wayles is interesting as it leaves certain properties to his wife and daughters, this including certain amounts of slaves, but his will also cites that certain members of his family and shadow family be inherited/administered by Jefferson and wife. What I have yet been able to find is a list of names of all those effected slaves, some 125/126 of them depending on which account one references.
 

Back in the day they were called, shadow families, and their existence was actually quite common among many slave/plantation owners. What's interesting here is that many remained totally detached from these shadow families while others actively provided education and training. On several different occasions Jefferson cites the need to educate and train slaves so they can function in society before their being given their freedom.

The will of John Wayles is interesting as it leaves certain properties to his wife and daughters, this including certain amounts of slaves, but his will also cites that certain members of his family and shadow family be inherited/administered by Jefferson and wife. What I have yet been able to find is a list of names of all those effected slaves, some 125/126 of them depending on which account one references.
HA! I have ALREADY posted info about Thomas Jefferson & Sally Hemings; TJ's wife Martha, & "slave", Sally... were SISTERS, having the SAME FATHER, JW. Sally was BEAUTIFUL! WHEE DOGGIE! Sally's first son was BEVERLY, who "passed for WHITE"... father...? TJ! Beverly left Monticello in 1822, lived in "white society", and fought for the Yanks (ALL WHITES Unit) during the CONFEDERATE WAR. Two more sons, fathered by TJ, "passed for WHITE", lived in "white society"; one died before the CW, the other fought in a ALL WHITES unit... YANKS. THAT is one HECK of a FAMILY SECRET... TJ's boys fought for the DANG YANKS... during the Confederate War! HA!
 

For MORE R & I on this, "google" Th. Jefferson Monticello - Appendix H: Sally Hemings & her Children. HH! Good Luck!
 

There is reason why I posted a link to the Sally Hemmings information a while back. This wasn't to confuse, though I'm sure it did confuse many. The point in posting that information was in the displaying of something that was all too common back in the day.....this being in regard to her last bloodline, history, and last name, Hemmings. As was common back in the day, when "slaves" gave birth to the children of their masters, and even their husbands, these children often maintained the last names of their mothers. Also you will note that many of them were given their freedom. Perhaps in this we might begin to form theory around the possible parents of, "Thomas J. Beale." This perhaps also offering some curious possibilities in regards to who the Harts had come to identify so many years prior as a, Thomas jefferson Beale?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Hemings

Hmmm.
"Harts had come to identify so many years prior as a Thomas Jefferson Beale."
Almost reads kinda like Thomas Jefferson's Beale , yet not a possession or one retained at any time ;but more like a decendent?.
 

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HA! I have ALREADY posted info about Thomas Jefferson & Sally Hemings; TJ's wife Martha, & "slave", Sally... were SISTERS, having the SAME FATHER, JW. Sally was BEAUTIFUL! WHEE DOGGIE! Sally's first son was BEVERLY, who "passed for WHITE"... father...? TJ! Beverly left Monticello in 1822, lived in "white society", and fought for the Yanks (ALL WHITES Unit) during the CONFEDERATE WAR. Two more sons, fathered by TJ, "passed for WHITE", lived in "white society"; one died before the CW, the other fought in a ALL WHITES unit... YANKS. THAT is one HECK of a FAMILY SECRET... TJ's boys fought for the DANG YANKS... during the Confederate War! HA!

Now Reb..don't be dang Yankin us nawthin folks now.:laughing7:
 

I think the proposed "shadow family" theory is worth further research in regards to both Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Beale of Fincastle.
 

I think the proposed "shadow family" theory is worth further research in regards to both Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Beale of Fincastle.

Thomas Beale of Fincastle was the half son of an Indian not a slave.
 

Thomas Beale of Fincastle was the half son of an Indian not a slave.

Not exactly the direction of thought here....according to records Thomas Beale of Fincastle was a slave owner so did he have a shadow family?
 

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