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[bigscoop]

During that time period, Native Americans were referred to as "swarthy".
Also Melungeons, noted for their black hair, black eyes, and darker skin, were considered as "swarthy" (Beale was described in a very similar manner)
Melungeons in Virginia
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The thing I find most fascinating about the proposed theory is the shear amount of mixed blood that existed nearly as soon as Europeans arrived here, and in many cases even before they arrived here. In essence there were actually many free people of color in this country during the period, many of them even arriving here as free people. So the proposed theory isn't without some foundation once everything has been researched and considered. And while it is of a different nature there is also something else that stands out in the Hart papers that is very curious, this having to do with the ciphers, this perhaps relating to that "missing unintelligible piece of paper" that author makes reference to. Perhaps a subject for a different thread.

 

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[ECS]

Then there are reports of UFO's and alien encounters in early United States.
Native Americans had legends of flying object and strange beings. Stephen Decatur had an alien encounter in 1810 while testing a new cannon in south New Jersey.
In a letter, dated July 31,1813 to Thomas Jefferson, Portsmouth, Virginia carpenter, Edward Hansford detailed a Ufo sighting he observed along with John L Clark.
Could the "swarthy" Thomas Beale have been an alien, or a hybrid?
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

 

[bigscoop]

Ah.....make fun, but today you only grasp accurate definition of words like swarthy and complexion because someone else pushed you to it. Not the case not so long ago. i.e., leading men of the country. Mission accomplished!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Ah.....make fun, but today you only grasp accurate definition of words like swarthy and complexion because someone else pushed you to it. Not the case not so long ago. i.e., leading men of the country. Mission accomplished!

If yer "talking" about TJ (a REAL "leading man" of our country)... ALREADY "posted" such; ("Posts" # 551 & 552) . Thomas Beale, Sr. was NOT a "leading man", lived in a house on COURT SQUARE in Fincastle, Va. with his girl-friend & their son, Thomas, Jr., and did NOT have a farm/plantation with slaves, thus "making half-breeds".

 

[bigscoop]

Wasn't referencing either of these men, however, that conflicting info about TB is interesting.

 

[ECS]

... Thomas Beale, Sr. was NOT a "leading man", lived in a house on COURT SQUARE in Fincastle, Va. with his girl-friend & their son, Thomas, Jr., and did NOT have a farm/plantation with slaves, thus "making half-breeds".

Reckon Chloe Delancy and Jr were his "shadow" family.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Wasn't referencing either of these men, however, that conflicting info about TB is interesting.

Eh...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Wasn't referencing either of these men, however, that conflicting info about TB is interesting.

WHAT "conflicting info about TB"...? Inquiring minds wanna KNOW!

 

[bigscoop]

A note about the letter on hold in the Intelligencer:

In reading a few of these post it seems folks are confusing a "Thomas Beall" with the pamphlet's "Thomas J. Beale".......
Notice that the names are spelled differently. Also notice that there is no "J" referenced in regards to the letter on hold.
This logic would seem to make all George Washington's the same man, or all Bill Smith's the same man, etc., etc., etc.
We see this same logic being applied in New Orleans, on the Smyrna, and elsewhere whenever it is convenient to do so.
Sure, there is a small chance that the spelling of names was often confused, Beal, Beall, Beale, etc., but there is also more then good chance that the names are different due to the individuals having been different men.
In 1820 St. Louis was fast becoming the major hub to the newly acquired west so it is quite the assumption to assume that Beall is to mean Beale and that any Thomas Beall must be the Thomas J. Beale of the pamphlet. Again, highly doubtful that Morriss and the pamphlet's author got the spelling of the name wrong.

So the letter in reference establishes nothing other then the same old sidebar that has been floating about within the mystery for many years for all the same reasons.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

A note about the letter on hold in the Intelligencer:

In reading a few of these post it seems folks are confusing a "Thomas Beall" with the pamphlet's "Thomas J. Beale".......
Notice that the names are spelled differently. Also notice that there is no "J" referenced in regards to the letter on hold.
This logic would seem to make all George Washington's the same man, or all Bill Smith's the same man, etc., etc., etc.
We see this same logic being applied in New Orleans, on the Smyrna, and elsewhere whenever it is convenient to do so.
Sure, there is a small chance that the spelling of names was often confused, Beal, Beall, Beale, etc., but there is also more then good chance that the names are different due to the individuals having been different men.
In 1820 St. Louis was fast becoming the major hub to the newly acquired west so it is quite the assumption to assume that Beall is to mean Beale and that any Thomas Beall must be the Thomas J. Beale of the pamphlet. Again, highly doubtful that Morriss and the pamphlet's author got the spelling of the name wrong.

So the letter in reference establishes nothing other then the same old sidebar that has been floating about within the mystery for many years for all the same reasons.

I hear the wind blowing hot air with this thread . The connection I have with the decoded text has lead me to look at New Orleans as a starting point of the Beale Papers . With the links that have been found way before me on this topic it would seem that if you were to take a step back and look at all the evidence that has come forth over the last 100 years you too can see why I am looking at this big picture the way I am . Old evidence has been tampered with, time to reevaluate some of the old items that were manipulated by people selling books . The truth will come out and the lies will be exposed .

 

[bigscoop]

I hear the wind blowing hot air with this thread . The connection I have with the decoded text has lead me to look at New Orleans as a starting point of the Beale Papers . With the links that have been found way before me on this topic it would seem that if you were to take a step back and look at all the evidence that has come forth over the last 100 years you too can see why I am looking at this big picture the way I am . Old evidence has been tampered with, time to reevaluate some of the old items that were manipulated by people selling books . The truth will come out and the lies will be exposed .

If you believe so. Burt at some point you're going to have to establish that all of these various Beall/Beal/Beale were indeed the same man, which ain't going to happen for all of the same reasons. Hot air, perhaps, but far better then ice cold.

 

[ECS]

I hear the wind blowing hot air with this thread ...The truth will come out and the lies will be exposed.

Will that include Reine Lister and Perter Fitch? They were once a MAJOR part of your "solved" cipher.
...or is that answer just blowin' in the wind?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Will that include Reine Lister and Perter Fitch? They were once a MAJOR part of your "solved" cipher.
...or is that answer just blowin' in the wind?

In the final draft of that part Reme was my error, but Peter Fitch is solid Bro . I know you treat all Christians like this right ?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Will that include Reine Lister and Perter Fitch? They were once a MAJOR part of your "solved" cipher.
...or is that answer just blowin' in the wind?

Was The Celeste Beale diary your error ?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

If you believe so. Burt at some point you're going to have to establish that all of these various Beall/Beal/Beale were indeed the same man, which ain't going to happen for all of the same reasons. Hot air, perhaps, but far better then ice cold.

There are more Beale's than you can count for the time we are looking at . I am taking a closer look at a few misspellings of the name . One is how in some of the books of the 1820's have Captain Beale of the Battle of New Orleans with his last name spelled BEAL .

There is the fact that we have a letter in St Louis at the same time that Mr Morriss read he would be there . The name used there was Beall . I have looked at some of the signatures Beale used that make the E in the last part of his name look like a L .

Than there is the Captain Thomas J Beall going to New Orleans . There was no Captain Thomas Beall, Beal or Beell at the year of 1816 . The only Captain Thomas Beale was from New Orleans about and he was a famous person at the time . He married Royalty of that area the child of Carlos de GrandPre, Governor of Spanish West Florida .

 

[ECS]

... I know you treat all Christians like this right ?

Where did that come from?
...and what do you mean by that remark?

 

[bigscoop]

Well, that should serve to stir up the mods, unless he has discovered documentation that makes his Beall's/Beale's/Beal's all Christians?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Well, that should serve to stir up the mods, unless he has discovered documentation that makes his Beall's/Beale's/Beal's all Christians?

Captain Beale was !

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Was The Celeste Beale diary your error ?

Was it ECS ?

 

[bigscoop]

Captain Beale was !

Which one?