Its End Game

[GOLDandSilver]

Open minds lead to new questions and eventually new answers, and I can't tell how important those open minds and new questions are. For instance, isn't anyone even the least bit curious as to why Thomas Beale departed for New Orleans after his famous duel over "family insult?" Why not some other city or destination, why New Orleans? This new notion might be of special interest to folks like Jean Laf, and others. Perhaps one might ask this new question and then possibly generate potentially new leads towards accurate answers? There are some interesting and intriguing possibilities in that link concerning free people of color and New Orleans that I posted.

Ok...

Thomas Jefferson's mother was rumored to have been a quadroon. Thomas Jefferson had five? kids with Sally Hemmings. One of the sons had a daughter who married a Beale? New Orleans could be about the secret of Thomas Jefferson's mother? who was rumored to be not all white?

I found a great straightforward bit on the intermarriages, the laws etc. and that people just kept doing IT anyway and having kids. Very informative!

Were My Ancestors in an Interracial Love Triangle? - The Root

Edited to add: Seriously? I read this whole 34 pages of promises and there's NOTHING? PFft. Spill. Wait, Moriss had a negro or Indian love child?

 

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[bigscoop]

Probably the most important thing to grasp is that, generally speaking, most assume "free people of color" to be exclusive to those of African descent, which as a whole clearly was never the case. So in this the description of "dark and swarthy complexion" could be used to identity many different cultures/nationalities who's natural skin tones were considered to be typically darker then that of the white man.

 

[ECS]

If that is the case, why do you assume that Alderman Thomas J Beale must be connected to he Beale Papers because the word "swarthy" appears in the text?

 

[ECS]

... I've hopefully gotten that out of the way and avoided the usual jumping to conclusions, there is a distinct theme that exist with or Thomas Beale of Fincastle and our Thomas J. Beale of Richmond.

We know Thomas J. Beale of Richmond was a man of color who resided in a location that was culturally diverse (Jackson Ward). And likewise, after his famous duel with Risque the Thomas Beale of Fincastle curiously hastened to a city that was also culturally diverse in much the same way.

Our pamphlet story exhibits two very distinct eras, 1817-1822 being the years of the main events, and 1863-1885 representing the era in which our author was involved with the lingering mystery. Forty-one years have passed between these two eras, roughly 1 1/2 generations depending on which generation scale one uses.

Will this lead up to another 5th Generation theory?

 

[ECS]

... Nearly everything in the BP is accurate other then what had to be narrated around...

How can everything in the Beale Papers be "accurate" and still conceal this "secret history" of Alderman Thomas J Beale of 1884 Jackson Ward, Richmond?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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So... WALK AWAY!

 

[TN_Guest1523]

So... WALK AWAY!

 

[bigscoop]

“Alderman.” By simple definition it means; older man. But when this title is attached to a specific individual within a city ward then it is defining the presence of an individual within that ward who bears a measure of influence as to how that ward might be better governed by city officials. So whenever an individual is singled out as being an alderman within a city ward then that individual is likewise being singled out as "someone who maintains a level of influence within that ward and with the acting city government."

When we consider Thomas J. Beale, a free person of color and a listed alderman of Jackson Ward within the city of Richmond it then becomes most unlikely that he was not aware that his name and his general description and his place of residence was being used in a mysterious treasure story and publication just 90 miles down the road. Too many people in the Lynchburg region routinely conducted business in Richmond for him not to be made aware of this most curious circumstance.

 

[Cryptography]

So... WALK AWAY!

RUN AWAY! BS, has gone off the deep end with this forum topic.

 

[bigscoop]

RUN AWAY! BS, has gone off the deep end with this forum topic.

You think..........perhaps, but it sure beats spending all of my time rehashing all of the same old dirt that has been turned over and rehashed a million times since the beginning of this mystery without so much as clear grain of dirt to show for it. If different results are to be found then it isn't going to come from plowing of all of that some old dirt. Very clearly, new seeds need to be planted if anything new is ever going to take sprout.

 

[GOLDandSilver]

You think..........perhaps, but it sure beats spending all of my time rehashing all of the same old dirt that has been turned over and rehashed a million times since the beginning of this mystery without so much as clear grain of dirt to show for it. If different results are to be found then it isn't going to come from plowing of all of that some old dirt. Very clearly, new seeds need to be planted if anything new is ever going to take sprout.

Well thanks for answering my questions!

 

[ECS]

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When we consider Thomas J. Beale, a free person of color and a listed alderman of Jackson Ward within the city of Richmond it then becomes most unlikely that he was not aware that his name and his general description and his place of residence was being used in a mysterious treasure story and publication just 90 miles down the road. Too many people in the Lynchburg region routinely conducted business in Richmond for him not to be made aware of this most curious circumstance.

The Thomas Beale/TJB event portion in the job pamphlet occurred in the 1820's, and the presumption of his none return is that he was dead. By the 2nd year of the Confederate War he would be considered long gone and in 1885, if the Alderman saw a copy would consider it a strange coincidence.
When the job pamphlet was published for sale in Lynchburg in 1885, did the buyers believe this a was a real authentic treasure story or just a localized dime novel with ciphers added as a parlor entertainment?
The Beale treasure hunt actually began with Hazelwood having Clayton Hart make copies of the ciphers, and he and brother George went on the hunt.
The whole thing would have been forgotten except for the publication of the Hart Papers, and then Pauline Innis's book, "Gold In The Blue Ridge"

 

[ECS]

... If different results are to be found then it isn't going to come from plowing of all of that some old dirt. Very clearly, new seeds need to be planted if anything new is ever going to take sprout.

When cultivating new dirt for new seeds, plowing will most likely bring forth many clods.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

You think..........perhaps, but it sure beats spending all of my time rehashing all of the same old dirt that has been turned over and rehashed a million times since the beginning of this mystery without so much as clear grain of dirt to show for it. If different results are to be found then it isn't going to come from plowing of all of that some old dirt. Very clearly, new seeds need to be planted if anything new is ever going to take sprout.

 

[bigscoop]

Beale/Beal/Beall......with just a little research in the correct places you can quickly determine that they were not the same men. There is a time capsule for the Thomas J. Beale of the Smyrna and he was clearly on post in different locations then what you wish to believe and he was clearly on post somewhere else during the grand adventure. Conclusion, obvious conclusion......"Not Thomas J. Beale of the Beale papers."

You will find this same type of information/histories for all of your usual suspects. Old dogs don't survive on tricks, they survive on facts.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Beale/Beal/Beall......with just a little research in the correct places you can quickly determine that they were not the same men. There is a time capsule for the Thomas J. Beale of the Smyrna and he was clearly on post in different locations then what you wish to believe and he was clearly on post somewhere else during the grand adventure. Conclusion, obvious conclusion......"Not Thomas J. Beale of the Beale papers."

You will find this same type of information/histories for all of your usual suspects. Old dogs don't survive on tricks, they survive on facts.

That would be Captain Thomas J Beall and what I have makes him the real Captain Thomas J Beale of New Orleans

 

[TN_Guest1523]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/beale-codes/321228-thomas-j-beall.html

The original thread !

 

[bigscoop]

That would be Captain Thomas J Beall and what I have makes him the real Captain Thomas J Beale of New Orleans
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Well, good luck with all of that. I'm sure there's more information out there to be found that will help cast further light.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Well, good luck with all of that. I'm sure there's more information out there to be found that will help cast further light.

That's the name of the game ! Keep on researching till all the facts are in reach .