Is the Pit Mine really the Lost Dutchman mine?

Matthew Roberts said:
Hello Old,

Not to worry about, "picking on me". I always respect and encourage other's opinions and ideas even if they do not agree with mine. I cant really answer the question you asked me because what you describe is not what I saw when I was at the mine site.
I don't believe I ever said that no one visited the mine site after the 1979-1980 time period, I just disagreed that the mining that is said to have gone on there in the 1990's time period actually happened, in my opinion. The site and area is well known to the mining community at Globe, Miami and Superior and has been for decades. The "Pit Mine" is not the only mine in that area, numerous other mines are within walking distance of the Pit Mine. The mine is a stones throw from one of the heaviest used hiking trails in the Eastern Superstitions. I'm certain a lot of people have been in and out of those old mines over the past 36 years.

Bill Riley,

I can't account for photos of ore samples from the Pit Mine. That is someone else's story and I let them tell it without my interference. Dave Leach is one of the most knowledgeable mining men I know in the Dutchman community. If he is convinced the Pit Mine is the LDM, it is with good reason. I have not discussed the issue with Dave.

Best,

Matthew
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Matthew, I want to go to this pit mine and see for myself. It seems a lot of people would prefer I stay away from it. My eye has healed today and my other ailments seem to be in check I think I may be in shape for it. I know it's hot this time of year but if an early departure and an over night stay is in order so be it.

If it had a tunnel 200 feet in and someone buried it in the bottom of the pit as long as someone knows the direction of the tunnel you may be able to pick up the vein away from the mine. If, and that's a big "IF" the mine had gold values as claimed like the Dutchman told there would be some samples nearby because no one can clean up everything in that rough environment. Placer gold would also be present in abundance. Gold in roots around it gold in clay etc..

Do you have the Longitude and Latitude of the pit?


Thx,

Bill
 

nobodie said:
Has anyone asked Clay Worst what he thought about the pit mine? About 2 years ago he had said that he has people looking for the LDM back in the mountains.
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Howdy nobodie,

Whoever believes that the "pit mine" is the LDM, would no longer look for the LDM. So anyone who is still looking for the LDM knows that it is still out there.

Homar
 

Since he has people still looking for the LDM, he probably does not believe it has been found. I was just wondering if anyone had talked to him about the pit.
 

I told you where it was Bill

frenchy
 

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Bill Riley said:
Matthew, I want to go to this pit mine and see for myself. It seems a lot of people would prefer I stay away from it. My eye has healed today and my other ailments seem to be in check I think I may be in shape for it. I know it's hot this time of year but if an early departure and an over night stay is in order so be it.

If it had a tunnel 200 feet in and someone buried it in the bottom of the pit as long as someone knows the direction of the tunnel you may be able to pick up the vein away from the mine. If, and that's a big "IF" the mine had gold values as claimed like the Dutchman told there would be some samples nearby because no one can clean up everything in that rough environment. Placer gold would also be present in abundance. Gold in roots around it gold in clay etc..

Do you have the Longitude and Latitude of the pit?


Thx,

Bill
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N 33 26.040
W111 11.735

Follow the Silver Chief trail in from the road. When you are near Rodgers trail on the road you will need to make a very sharp right turn. At that spot you back up then line up to get up the hill. At the top of that hill is the start of the trail. Room to park one or two vehicles only.
 

sgtfda said:
N 33 26.040
W111 11.735

Follow the Silver Chief trail in from the road. When you are near Rodgers trail on the road you will need to make a very sharp right turn. At that spot you back up then line up to get up the hill. At the top of that hill is the start of the trail. Room to park one or two vehicles only.
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I see the well worn trail that goes to the pit. Many other prospects near there all over the mountain following a quartz vein right to the Pit with visble trails going to those as well. The trail path is very obvious and starts down at the road goes up the mountain ridge line and drops down right to it a little past the mine below. A trick in the trail you might say. It looks to have been used for quite some time and not that hard to see even on the latest GE images. I went back to 1992 on GE and you could still see the trail. The satellite image from 2011 shows it real clear. Climbing Mountains is not the real problem here the brush looks bad. All the way down the canyon towards Rogers Trail it looks awful but you can see other prospects going up the canyon towards the mine. They were following a large quartz vein that's very visible along the mountain side. Looks fairly easy to reach and also looks fairly easy to see from the trails around it. The one main trail to it dead ends right at it but you have to drop down from the ridge and go back up when done. The hike back once you get back up on the ridge looks easy as it's all down hill.


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Bill, she's of the age where she should be taught to never point a firearm at anything she doesn't intend to shoot. as for the other, well some things happen, you were lucky. Eyes are NOT expendable, nor are grand daughters.

From your descripton, you will have trouble with that eye later, take care of it promptly..
 

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Watch your step Bill, come in hot from the wrong direction and you could be in that hole before you know its there. Back filed or not, those things have a way of keeping on settling.

Other thing interesting about the difference between the 1992 aerials and the 2005 aerials is there doesn't appear to be any vegetation disturbance at THIS site in 1992. Sure is ground disturbance in 2005 which is still showing 11 years later (2016). Not proof positive, but lends credence to the reopening was later than the 1970/1980 date Matthew proposed. My bet is on the 1997-1999 dates for the grand reopening as is generally considered accurate. To each his own.
 

Lynda,

I believe you are correct on this. Those date were determined by trash that was left at the site. Matthew has told us he believes Dave is one of the most knowledgeable men, on mining, that he knows. I trust Dave's determination of the dates the Pit Mine was worked. I have quoted his work many, many times. Anyone who hears the story of how he found the mine and explored it, should also have confidence in his conclusions.

Take care,

Joe
 

cactusjumper said:
Anyone who hears the story of how he found the mine and explored it, should also have confidence in his conclusions.<<<<

I do Joe. Completely.

Hope all is well with you.

Lynda
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Don't go back there if there is a threat of rain. Don't drive off the mountain after dark unless you have good roof top lights. Oh off road tires with at least 2 spares!
 

Hello, since I have never set foot in / on the supers, I really shouldn't post on it, but for some reason , useing my instincts as I did on Tayopa, for some indescribable reason I don't consider the Pit to be the LDM, doesn't fit all of the basic data.:laughing7:
 

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cactusjumper said:
Anyone who hears the story of how he found the mine and explored it, should also have confidence in his conclusions.<<<<

I do Joe. Completely.

Hope all is well with you.

Lynda
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Lynda,

I am doing better, thank you.

Dave and I became friends many years ago. He helped us pre-run the first Rendezvous and told me the story of the Pit Mine, I believe, the following year when we visited him at his home in New Mexico. At that time, he gave me all of the pictures of the Pit Mine that I have posted over the years. I had his permission to post them on the old LDM Forum, but did not get his permission to post them here. That's why I removed most of that information.

I trust him completely. Always have.

Hope all is well with you and yours,

Joe
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Matthew Roberts said:
cactusjumper,

Yes, Dave has had lots of hands on experience with different ores and where and how they formed. He and John Wilburn are from the same school of geology and I put both those men at the top of my list of men who know geology inside out and why deposits ended up where they were found. When Dave talks about ore, I listen.

Matthew
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Matthew,

Just to make it clear to everyone here, when I talk about the Pit Mine, I am not talking about azdave35, who I do believe is one of the most knowledgeable mining men in the Dutch Hunting Community. I consider Dave L. one of the most knowledgeable men on the terrain of the Superstitions and the legends that go along with its history. On the other hand, I count both men as good friends.

I believe you may have the two Dave's confused.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo
 

"There is an ancient proverb that says a man can never forgive you for a wrong he has done you." From a wise friend.

That wise friend is Roy Decker, who seldom posts here these days. Roy is recovering from a medical misfortune, and I really miss our exchanges. I hope our friend is doing better and learning all he can about The Battle of the Little Big Horn. I learn something new every day, and stand ready to pass along what I can, even though I doubt I know much that he hasn't seen.

Best to all,

Joe Ribaudo
 

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