has montezumas tomb been found ...?

[cactusjumper]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Roy,

That was a terrific post.

It's refreshing to see some real history for a change. I skim through bb's posts, just to see where his fertile imagination will take him next.

He has come a long way since his first post:

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1068 Treasure Hunting / Treasure Legends / the lost Dutchman mine and the Tayopa mine have been found ! on: Nov 21, 2006, 10:05:29 AM
this is not a joke , i am the blindbowman , i have a on going reguest with the tonto nationial forst offices over the treasure trove permits needed to legally clam 3 sites shown on the peralta _ruth map . yes the sites are the jesuit chruch and the tayopa mine and the lost dutchman mine ... no one can request permits on these sites locations untill my reguest have been answerd ...! yes i have found these 3 site in the superstition mt range , and yes i can prove it ....in 1979 i was in flight from orlando fla to huston texas and than to SD calf. after leaveing huston the air plane when into a small thunder storm and when we came out we were to close to weavers needle and as we truned away i saw a bright golden reflection shinning in the window of the plane . after just passing QM training A school for navagationial train at orlando fla . i knew how to look threw the small spaces between my fingers to see when looking into bright light , i saw a funnle shape on the top of one of the mts was makeing the bright reflection . i noted its locateion from weavers needle . and 10 past before i read the book the killer mt's by curt gentry and learn the discription of the dutchman mine and what i had seen was the same thing . after 27 years ,17 years of reseach i have requested treasure trove permits for the 3 locations , few people related these two lost legends but they are in fact one legend with 3 main parts . the facts of history were confuseing to most that went hunting for these sites ...i hope to be able to tell you far more soon ,,,,

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To be honest, I do believe he could spin a pretty good historical novel. It would take small village of proofreaders to make it all readable, but it seems......just possible.

I have seen the post, on another site, where he bragged about the huge joke he was playing on the members of this site. Like many of his posts here.......it has been swept under the rug.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

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[Oroblanco]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Greetings mi amigo Cactusjumper,

Thank you for the kind words. I too have to confess that I have enjoyed our mutual friend Blindbowman's various theories, and as you pointed out it actually does tend to get us to go and do some fact-checking and thus soaking up real history in the process. He has some talent for spinning a tale and I think he could write a very good book - as he has hinted that he is in the process of doing.

I had not read his post on another site that you are referring to, so it is a little surprise - however I have to admit that I came to have suspicions that our friend was in fact playing some kind of game with us here through many posts that were at times almost contradictory. Since he has openly admitted to pulling a prank on us and playing us for fools, (gee I think I recall seeing a thread begun by Blindbowman himself with a title that certainly supports the contention that he was pulling a prank - something like "Your all being played for fools"
{http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,58983.0.html}

...then I hope he has gotten plenty of laughs through the discussion. I know that I have gotten a few myself. To paraphrase an old saying, we will see who has the last laugh!

Blindbowman my friend I do hope that you will write the book as you have promised, I will sure be among the first to buy a copy. I still cannot say that I am a believer in your claims to have found the Lost Dutchman, Peralta, Jesuit, Templar, Last Supper, Tomb of Montezuma, Aztlan, Atlantis etc all in the mysterious and beautiful Superstition Mountains of Arizona, but have confidence that your book will be a great story. As they say in Texas, never let a fact get in the way of a good story!

Good luck and good hunting Joe (and everyone including Blindbowman) I hope that you all find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco

From the moment I picked your book up until I laid it down I was convulsed with laughter. Someday I intend reading it.

---Groucho Marx

 

[Peerless67]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Blindbowman, do you realise how many treasures and legends you have placed in the supers to date?

Joe, Oro, just when I was begining to think I was alone :P

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Perhaps the game is up? I hope that I have not said anything to offend Blindbowman, if so I have no problem with apologizing since nothing was intended to be offensive.

I hope that we can all get together around a campfire some time in the not-distant future, (like at the annual Rendezvous for instance) I think I would very much enjoy listening to the stories and getting to meet some good folks. I can't think of a more interesting bunch of people to spend an evening (or three) with than the fine people I have "met" here on T-net. The way my luck has been running it seems unlikely to be anytime soon though.
Oroblanco

 

[Peerless67]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

One sure fire thing about luck Oro, it changes

 

[Cubfan64]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

the joke was not on you . it was funny the way you all reacted to things you knew nothing about .... you still dont ,.....

Sarcasm on...

My goodness, it must be a heavy burden to carry to always be right and to know and understand so much more than we humble little amoeba's of the sad and pathetic human race.

Ok - sarcasm off again...

I've seen the same general location you pointed out for Atlantis in at least 1 other source but I'll have to search my memory banks for it.

i just dont have the time to answer all the question ..its a little much like being questioned , i got things to do ...

You really confuse me in that you seem to be an intelligent person intent on using your logic to solve puzzles - and yet you continue to miss the point of so many questions and comments regarding your theories.

It's NOT your theories and ideas that most of us are in disagreement with, it's your determined statements that your theories are FACT before they've been confirmed or ruled out and the condescending tone in which you imply that the rest of us are fools if we don't agree with you.

What really confuses me the most is that someone such as yourself has surely been exposed to the Scientific method of studying problems and how to confirm or rule out a hypothesis - in fact in many ways you seem to follow the guidelines quite well right up to the point where you end up making this mistake (that admittedly many of us make)...

...the scientific method attempts to minimize the influence of the scientist's bias on the outcome of an experiment. That is, when testing an hypothesis or a theory, the scientist may have a preference for one outcome or another, and it is important that this preference not bias the results or their interpretation. The most fundamental error is to mistake the hypothesis for an explanation of a phenomenon, without performing experimental tests. Sometimes "common sense" and "logic" tempt us into believing that no test is needed...

It is clearly not unreasonable for people to question theories, in fact it forces the "experimenter" to confirm or rule out his theory by testing it. You may feel that your theories are fact, but until you can convince others, you've proven nothing - unless of course you're comfortable just convincing yourself - in which case you wouldn't even bother to try to convince others.

That said, I'm looking forward to trying to find what you call site #1 - with any luck I'll have an opportunity to see first-hand what you believe you've found - although I'm not altogether confident since you mentioned more than once that unless I know what I'm looking for, I likely won't see it - and you haven't exactly said what I should be looking for

Ahhh, this is indeed a fun game at times though isn't it

 

[the blindbowman]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

what is ,is

 

[the blindbowman]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

maybe you didnt know this :

"Venus in human culture

[edit] Historic understanding

The Maya Dresden Codex, which calculates Venus's appearancesAs one of the brightest objects in the sky, Venus has been known since prehistoric times and as such has gained an entrenched position in human culture. It is described in Babylonian cuneiformic texts such as the Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, which relates observations that possibly date from 1600 BC.[70] The Babylonians named the planet Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna), the personification of womanhood, and goddess of love. The Ancient Egyptians believed Venus to be two separate bodies and knew the morning star as Tioumoutiri and the evening star as Ouaiti. Likewise believing Venus to be two bodies, the Ancient Greeks called the morning star Φωσφόρος, Phosphoros (Latinized Phosphorus), the "Bringer of Light" or Ἐωσφόρος, Eosphoros (Latinized Eosphorus), the "Bringer of Dawn". The evening star they called Hesperos (Latinized Hesperus) (Ἓσπερος, the "star of the evening"), but by Hellenistic times, they realized the two were the same planet. Hesperos would be translated into Latin as Vesper and Phosphoros as Lucifer ("Light Bearer"), a poetic term later used to refer to the fallen angel cast out of heaven.[71] The Romans would later name the planet in honor of their goddess of love, Venus, whereas the Greeks used the name of her Greek counterpart, Aphrodite (Phoenician Astarte).

To the Hebrews it was known as Noga ("shining"), Helel ("bright"), Ayeleth-ha-Shakhar ("deer of the dawn") and Kochav-ha-'Erev ("star of the evening").

Venus was important to the Maya civilization, who developed a religious calendar based in part upon its motions, and held the motions of Venus to determine the propitious time for events such as war.

The Maasai people named the planet Kileken, and have an oral tradition about it called The Orphan Boy.[72]

Venus is important in many Australian aboriginal cultures, such as that of the Yolngu people in Northern Australia. The Yolngu gather after sunset to await the rising of Venus, which they call Barnumbirr. As she approaches, in the early hours before dawn, she draws behind her a rope of light attached to the Earth, and along this rope, with the aid of a richly decorated "Morning Star Pole", the people are able to communicate with their dead loved ones, showing that they still love and remember them. Barnumbirr is also an important creator-spirit in the Dreaming, and "sang" much of the country into life.

In western astrology, derived from its historical connotation with goddesses of femininity and love, Venus is held to influence those aspects of human life. In Indian Vedic astrology, Venus is known as Shukra, meaning "clear, pure" or "brightness, clearness" in Sanskrit. One of the nine Navagraha, it is held to affect wealth, pleasure and reproduction; it was the son of Bhrgu and Ushana, preceptor of the Daityas, and guru of the Asuras. Early Chinese astronomers called the planet Tai-pe, or the "beautiful white one". Modern Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese cultures refer to the planet literally as the gold star (Chinese: 金星), based on the Five elements. Lakotan spirituality refers to Venus as the daybreak star, and associates it with the last stage of life and wisdom.

The astronomical symbol for Venus is the same as that used in biology for the female sex: a circle with a small cross beneath.[73] The Venus symbol also represents femininity, and in Western alchemy stood for the metal copper.[73] Polished copper has been used for mirrors from antiquity, and the symbol for Venus has sometimes been understood to stand for the mirror of the goddess.[73][74]

Perhaps the strangest appearance of Venus in literature is as the harbinger of destruction in Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950). In this intensely controversial book, Velikovsky argued that ancient references to Venus indicated that the planet had played a role in catastrophic events in the solar system within the past few thousand years. Scientists rightly rejected Velikovsky's wild hypothesis, though his books were popular for a number of years.

 

[the blindbowman]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

dont kill the messenger ,save your self if you can ...LOL

 

[the blindbowman]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

you can learn alot from a little data . if that is true and that is where the equator was back before Atlantis sank into the sea . i got to tell what i will say now will not be very funny.. takeing the messurement scales and useing them to locate the old north pole at 2,642.10 miles at 168degrees west put the old north pole at 51degrees 59'17.63"N by 168degrees 02'18.21"W

i charted the old south pole as well but it no longer matters , its the new equator that matters now .. it will place the new north pole at 52degrees 09'25.86"N by 11 degrees 53'29.97" E . just east of Megdeburg Germany ..

i hope you hear me and under stand what i am saying now . with a 1600 mile Arctic circle around the new north pole . the human race will have lost almost all of Europe to the new north pole ,....and all of New Zealand to the new south pole...that if anyone makes it past the main event ....

no more pictures .. i think you get the main idea ...

 

[Peerless67]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

QUOTE Blindbowman "i got it now . you guys dont under stand what i am saying to you .. "




BINGO

 

[Old Dog]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Is every one ready! get set! change the story again.
Go for it BB,

Very entertaining.

Thom

 

[Peerless67]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

BB, could this be your calling? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=144702.msg914980;boardseen#new


I thought the last sentence of the first paragraph was perfect.

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Aah Blindbowman mi amigo I thought for a moment that you had quit the game. Glad to see that you are hanging in there. You have covered a tremendous amount of ground in those posts, literally the Earth. So where to begin? My apologies for not breaking this down into concise statements and replies, my excuse is that I am just too lazy to fool with it tonight. So let me address your points in no particular order.

BB you are saying that the Earth has rotated off it's normal rotation, that is it wobbled in a very massive manner resulting in a huge pole-shift and/or pole movement. This is partially supported by science, in that the magnetic poles have shifted and moved, and reversed - in fact our magnetic poles are in the process of collapsing and reversing at this very moment. The resulting change in magnetic poles has not resulted in the destruction of any species that science has been able to detect. As for the entire globe flipping around off the normal axis of rotation, science does not support this. However, brace yourself, because I am convinced this already has happened and will happen again, so I am partially in agreement with you. Herodotus recorded his discussions with ancient Egyptian priests who informed him that twice in history the Sun had "reversed its course" which can most easily be explained only with the idea that the entire world actually flipped over end-for-end. The very idea seems outlandish to most folks, but if you think about it the actual physics of this are not outlandish at all, and the results of such an incident might have surprisingly little effect on human civilizations that might exist at the moment - for the Egyptian priests added that "...no damage was done in Egypt" due to the strange incident. The powerful gravity of Earth might act as a "damper" to help prevent the oceans from washing over the land masses etc - however it is implied in that same sentence I am referring to that damage probably did occur in other lands due to the Sun reversing its course.

As to what could possibly cause the whole globe to flip over, one easy answer is a massive melt-off of the polar ice caps - which were MUCH larger at the height of the Ice Age than they are today. Most scientists today are saying that the last Ice Age ended quite suddenly, not incredibly slowly as we have been taught in our schools. With the sea levels suddenly rising over 500 feet and the huge mass/weight change from having those gigantic ice deposits covering much of the Northern hemisphere and Southern as well, it should not be a surprise to find that the globe might make a sudden rotation end-over-end before the effect of the seas would correct the normal rotation of the Earth.

Now as to when it might "flip" again, I would say that again I am in partial agreement with you, that it might be soon - but my bet would be after all the polar ice caps have melted, not before. With the huge masses of ice that we still have at both poles, they act as "stabilizers" to prevent such a "flip" of the Earth - however the moment we have the complete melting of the polar ice, I would say go climb the highest mountain you can find, then dig a hole into the rocks to hide in. The un-even distribution of land masses over the Earth means that it might take a couple of flips before the sea waters would tend to balance out against the lighter land masses. (If you now think that I believe in "Global Warming" you are correct, and I am basing my opinion of this on the data, not politicks. This does not mean that I now want to move into a house made of old tires and sing "Coom-baya" around a beeswax candle, but I think we human beings need to start taking steps to survive the probable climatic changes we are going to see.)

If I lived directly on the coast of a major sea or ocean (or Great Lake) I would sure be thinking of selling out and moving inland, but otherwise I don't see an "End of the World" type of scenario, not in our lifetimes.

Blindbowman you have again made reference to the book Revelation from the Bible. May I ask, do you believe that the events prophesied in Revelation are yet to occur, or are only beginning to occur? My reason for asking this is that a fair case can be made to show that all of the prophecies in Revelation have already come to pass, most of them hundreds to over a thousand years ago. I won't bore everyone here with a complete breakdown but just choose any of the predictions and I will offer you an incident (or more) that "fits" to show that it has already occurred.

His disciples said to him, "When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?"

He said to them, "What you are looking forward to has come, but you don't know it."

(Gospel of Thomas, 51)

Now you are saying that Atlantis was (is) on the "old" Equator, well now this is speculation on your part isn't it? We have zero evidence to show that Atlantis was/is located in the site you have posted. You have also said that the Atlantians mapped the whole of the Earth, may I ask on what source(s) you are basing that statement? (I am convinced that an ancient culture did map the Earth with great accuracy, but want to hear the sources you are using to make that proposition.)


Blindbowman wrote:

IMHO , you are looking at how the earth expanding and contracting

Is this your own theory? I have to partially agree, that the tectonic plates making up the surface of the Earth do in fact lift and sink, but to phrase it as 'expanding and contracting' is not the way I would describe what is occurring.

Blindbomwan also wrote:

i can predict where and when the next equator shft will happen and where .. . some time between now and 2010..... where the next north pole will be just east of Megdeburg Germany...

Well heck I am no psychic and I will go and predict that the next pole shift will occur some time between now and 3008! I am tempted to ask how you arrived at this conclusion and feel comfortable in making such a prediction, but will write it off to your use of Shamanistic/remote viewing methods?

Blindbowman also wrote:

IMHO this tell me that the gases traped in the ocean floor are what is causeing the globle warming , mankind has very little effect on this ..

Hmm, well the masses of frozen methane gas under our seas would have a massive warming effect, but what evidence do we have that these frozen masses are somehow rising through the waters to melt?

Blindbowman also wrote:

ask your self what gets hotter a rock or water ...?

My self answers that it would depend heavily upon what type of rock, what type of heat (radiant, convection, etc) and whether the water is frozen or not etc. I have missed your point on this one.

Blindbowman also wrote:

i guess this tells us why .Atlantis was lost in one day , wasnt their Atlantis on this same equator ... sure was ...

Actually I fail to understand what event(s) resulted in the loss of Atlantis in one day through your theories/logic. I have my own "pet" theory that it was a massive island shelf subsidence, which is a known geologic event and this results in mega-tsunamis - and yep there are several proven such incidents in the Atlantic ocean, such as La Palma in the Canary islands. This is what I believe destroyed Atlantis, an earthquake that caused a massive island shelf to suddenly subside beneath the sea, and causing a massive mega-tsunami that swept the coastlines of virtually any trace of mankind.

I am sure you can find many historians who would refute almost my every word here in this post, with all sorts of sheepskins to add credence to their views, so keep in mind this is MY OPINION ONLY. It is a part of what I have been working on in a book project for years now so Blindbowman I thank you for venturing into "familiar waters" a subject that I enjoy discussing. My apologies for another extra-long-winded post to those who hate having to wade through long posts.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope that you find the treasures that you seek.
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

One more bit here amigo, but this one I missed in my LONG post:

Blindbowman wrote:

you can not stop Revelations ....or i should i say Revolutions, i guess thats a matter of translation .....LOL

Now why would you say that the title of the book Revelations is a "matter of translation"? The earliest versions of this book were titled "the Apocalypse of John" and this was rendered into "Revelation" when translated into English, but in original Greek the literal meaning was "UNVEILING". How can we take this to mean "Revolutions"? It is only an oblique and imperfect similarity in my opinion. Have I missed yet another point here amigo?
Oroblanco

 

[Cubfan64]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

One more bit here amigo, but this one I missed in my LONG post:

Blindbowman wrote:

you can not stop Revelations ....or i should i say Revolutions, i guess thats a matter of translation .....LOL

Now why would you say that the title of the book Revelations is a "matter of translation"? The earliest versions of this book were titled "the Apocalypse of John" and this was rendered into "Revelation" when translated into English, but in original Greek the literal meaning was "UNVEILING". How can we take this to mean "Revolutions"? It is only an oblique and imperfect similarity in my opinion. Have I missed yet another point here amigo?
Oroblanco

I fear most of us are missing alot of the points...

 

[Peerless67]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

As much as I am enjoying this thread is there any plan to getback to the title
HAS MONTEZUMA'S TOMB BEEN FOUND ...?

I do not know yet as I have seen zero evidence if you disreguard the out of focus photograph from an earlier post. Are we to expect to see any evidence to help decide wether or not it has been found?

Gary

 

[Cubfan64]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

As much as I am enjoying this thread is there any plan to getback to the title
HAS MONTEZUMA'S TOMB BEEN FOUND ...?

I do not know yet as I have seen zero evidence if you disreguard the out of focus photograph from an earlier post. Are we to expect to see any evidence to help decide wether or not it has been found?

Gary

Actually that's probably a good idea to try to get back to the thread title. The onus is on BB here I'm afraid - I hope to get a chance to see what he believes he saw at his "site #1," but unless I'm mistaken, site #1 is NOT what he is referring to as the tomb of Montezuma.

I should probably go back and re-read the early parts of this thread - dang, we really did drift didn't we!

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Peerless67 wrote:

As much as I am enjoying this thread is there any plan to getback to the title
HAS MONTEZUMA'S TOMB BEEN FOUND ...?

I do not know yet as I have seen zero evidence if you disreguard the out of focus photograph from an earlier post. Are we to expect to see any evidence to help decide wether or not it has been found?

Mea culpa, it is largely my fault for going so far off-topic in this thread. I would expect that our amigo Blindbowman does indeed plan on returning to the topic at hand...HAS MONTEZUMA'S TOMB BEEN FOUND...? As to whether he plans on posting/sharing any further evidence, only Blindbowman can say.
Oroblanco

 

[Peerless67]

Re: has montezuma's tomb been found ...?

Oro, if that turns out to be the case, and he is not going to provide any further evidence, then my answer to the question is simple.
No I can not believe its been found, for such a claim would require far more evidence than a grainy old photograph.

I also noted bowmans other photos, seems he was real unlucky with that one as the rest are of excelent quality.

Gary

Ps it was not a problem that the post went off topic, I would just like to see what is availiable to support the claim that montezumas tomb may have been found.