Finders Keepers USA Dents Run National Press Release

[GoDeep]

Everything I posted is true , I just held back some info and told it in a way that only the FBI knew the answer and only the FBI knew what questions to ask here for info they needed.

That's some nice mansplaining. But that's not at all what you said in your last post where you admitted you were being deceitful in regards to the FBI, and even stated that the FBI was bashing you, not having secret question and answer sessions with you:

So I post info for them to read , some info may be off or twisted just to keep them going. They would like this story to go away so I am sure they bash what I post but we just keep posting .

These two diametrically opposed posts illustrate that you do, as you admitted, post things that are "twisting" facts and are "off" and hence why, once you lose credibility, further twisting facts won't bring the credibility back.

 

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[delnorter]

I appreciate the rules TN has in place to keep the forums from chaos and to promote civil discussion. I’m sure exaggeration and at times lying occurs about finds, methods, locations and whatnot on this site. I also feel lying is most likely uncommon and in general, not harmful to anyone but the liar.

On the other hand, situational confusion, deception and lying are a primary and legal tool of law enforcement, while it is a crime for you to deceive or lie to law enforcement.

I support the rules of Treasurenet and the legal system of our country. I have mixed feelings about the people we hire to protect us lying to us.

Mike

 

[Duckshot]

On the other hand, situational confusion, deception and lying are a primary and legal tool of law enforcement, while it is a crime for you to deceive or lie to law enforcement.

Right on.

So what happens when the perpetrators have the privilege to lie and deliberately withhold information for any arbitrary reason simply by citing an "ongoing investigation"?

 

[GoDeep]

Right on.

So what happens when the perpetrators have the privilege to lie and deliberately withhold information for any arbitrary reason simply by citing an "ongoing investigation"?

True, but in the instant case, the FBI isn't withholding information. That is a common misconception that keeps being repeated in this case. Another misconception is that Law Enforcement can just lie about anything at any time. This is untrue, there is a very narrow scope of instances under which they can lie which usually involves interviewing subjects of a potential crime. Doesn't mean some don't brake the rules, but to paint it as all they do is lie is disingenuous.

-First, the FBI has twice stated that "nothing was found", both at the conclusion of the dig and again just a few weeks ago when questioned by the press. With nothing having been found, there isn't any additional information post dig to ad to the story.

- Second, the FBI has not refused to turn over the records. In point of fact, they encouraged him to narrow down his scope of discovery to speed up the process (he requested the entire file). They said in earlier emails to him that if he narrowed it down, it could be to him as soon as 2 years (which means we'd already have it by now had he narrowed it down) and if not, it could take up to 4 years. Is this purposely delaying? No, according to his attorney (if you watched the entire video), it appears this isn't uncommon and to speed up the process he's going to petition for an expedited release based on the publics "compelling" interest to know.

I guarantee the FBI isn't waiting with bated breath about anything FK or the public is creating drama about. There is no drama, direct evidence supports nothing was found. Private emails seized 2 days after the dig between FBI counsel KT Newton, and PA DCNR counsel Audrey Miner, confirm that they were all disappointed nothing was found. This is the biggest piece of evidence we have to date, and FK has shockingly made absolutely no mention of it and no mention of it was made in their 1 hour "press release". When they say they "twist" facts and say things that are "off", believe them. They want to ignore this compelling piece of evidence exists as it dispels their narrative.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

True, but in the instant case, the FBI isn't withholding information. That is a common misconception that keeps being repeated in this case. Another misconception is that Law Enforcement can just lie about anything at any time. This is untrue, there is a very narrow scope of instances under which they can lie which usually involves interviewing subjects of a potential crime. Doesn't mean some don't brake the rules, but to paint it as all they do is lie is disingenuous.

-First, the FBI has twice stated that "nothing was found", both at the conclusion of the dig and again just a few weeks ago when questioned by the press. With nothing having been found, there isn't any additional information post dig to ad to the story.

- Second, the FBI has not refused to turn over the records. In point of fact, they encouraged him to narrow down his scope of discovery to speed up the process (he requested the entire file). They said in earlier emails to him that if he narrowed it down, it could be to him as soon as 2 years (which means we'd already have it by now had he narrowed it down) and if not, it could take up to 4 years. Is this purposely delaying? No, according to his attorney (if you watched the entire video), it appears this isn't uncommon and to speed up the process he's going to petition for an expedited release based on the publics "compelling" interest to know.

I guarantee the FBI isn't waiting with bated breath about anything FK or the public is creating drama about. There is no drama, direct evidence supports nothing was found. Private emails seized 2 days after the dig between FBI counsel KT Newton, and PA DCNR counsel Audrey Miner, confirm that they were all disappointed nothing was found. This is the biggest piece of evidence we have to date, and FK has shockingly made absolutely no mention of it and no mention of it was made in their 1 hour "press release". When they say they "twist" facts and say things that are "off", believe them. They want to ignore this compelling piece of evidence exists as it dispels their narrative.

How do you know they are not with holding information? The FBI does not have have the stellar reputation they once had either. Google FBI caught lying and see what comes up. Government agencies lie, that is a fact, I worked Air Force Intelligence when I was in, I saw many times multiple government agencies lie to the public. I knew they were lying because I knew the truth. CIA, NSA, White House all were lying...James Comey, former head of the FBI was caught lying several times.

Just couple examples....


Ex-FBI lawyer to plead guilty to falsifying Russia probe doc (nypost.com)



VIDEO: FBI CAUGHT LYING IN FEDERAL COURT! 30 PAGES OF DOCS JUST “FOUND” | 360NewsLasVegas.com

 

[GoDeep]

How do you know they are not with holding information?

We don't, and that is why we look to evidence to test the validity of their claims, just as we look to the evidence to test the validity of FK's claims. The evidence we have so far, does not support any gold being found and removed.

The two most compelling pieces of direct evidence we have so far post dig does not support gold being found and removed:

1. FK previously indicated they had remote camera's at the site taking pictures during the night and even posted a picture at night to back up his claim. Yet, he had provided no pictures in any of his court filings that show gold being removed. This would be the proverbial smoking gun of all evidence and it would win him any case against the PA DCNR or FBI outright. Fk's associate takes it even one step further in the press release, and says no pictures at night exist what so ever.

2. Private emails seized 2 days after the dig between FBI counsel KT Newton, and PA DCNR counsel Audrey Miner, confirm that they were all disappointed nothing was found. This is the biggest piece of direct evidence we have to date, and FK has shockingly made absolutely no mention of it and no mention of it was made in their 1 hour "press release".

By the way, so compelling and credible are the private communications of individuals, it's how Comey, Struck and Hillary were caught in their public lies, by seizing their private communications and here they did just that, seized some of their private communications!

 

[GoDeep]

The FBI does not have have the stellar reputation they once had either. Google FBI caught lying and see what comes up. Government agencies lie, that is a fact, I worked Air Force Intelligence when I was in, I saw many times multiple government agencies lie to the public. I knew they were lying because I knew the truth. CIA, NSA, White House all were lying...James Comey, former head of the FBI was caught lying several times.

Also to ad, no one here is denying that Law Enforcement lies. I would routinely separate subjects while questioning them and would at times lie to them about what their buddy just said to get them to talk. Or i'd lie when questioning them and tell them we had them on video committing the crime when it was just a bluff. No ones saying LE doesn't lie, but that doesn't mean they dug up 9 tons of gold, if that were the case, then every case ever brought would be thrown out and the guilty walk free because "LE lies".

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Also to ad, no one here is denying that Law Enforcement lies. I would routinely separate subjects while questioning them and would at times lie to them about what their buddy just said to get them to talk. Or i'd lie when questioning them and tell them we had them on video committing the crime when it was just a bluff. No ones saying LE doesn't lie, but that doesn't mean they dug up 9 tons of gold.

Also doesnt mean they didnt lie about what they found.

You said...

"First, the FBI has twice stated that "nothing was found", both at the conclusion of the dig and again just a few weeks ago when questioned by the press. With nothing having been found, there isn't any additional information post dig to ad to the story."

Implies what ever FBI says is the truth and the gospel.

 

[GoDeep]

Also doesnt mean they didnt lie about what they found.

You said...

"First, the FBI has twice stated that "nothing was found", both at the conclusion of the dig and again just a few weeks ago when questioned by the press. With nothing having been found, there isn't any additional information post dig to ad to the story."

Implies what ever FBI says is the truth and the gospel.

I think we have a misunderstanding, that post of mine wasn't to imply that what the FBI says is truth or gospel, if you reference back to it, you'll see it was in reply to a claim that the FBI isn't cooperating or communicating. I was making no endorsement as to whether it was true or not, for that, i look to the evidence to test the validity of their claims.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Also doesnt mean they didnt lie about what they found.

You said...

"First, the FBI has twice stated that "nothing was found", both at the conclusion of the dig and again just a few weeks ago when questioned by the press. With nothing having been found, there isn't any additional information post dig to ad to the story."

Implies what ever FBI says is the truth and the gospel.

The same could be said for others here who have made fantastical claims in the past such as “Templar vault and graves found”, but never provided any factual evidence. The story then died when no cable tv show producer or book publisher displayed any interest in promoting the story line.

If the claims were true, that would have been an archeological find of great importance and academia as well as the archeology communities would have poured in unlimited support in bring the story and artifacts forth while giving the finder full credit for the discovery. With that level of recognition, cable tv show producers as well as publishers would have been fighting over the rights to cover the story.

The same could be said for dents run. The fact that no major media outlet has continued following thru with the story and some find it necessary to keep the story alive with a limited YouTube video is very telling.

 

[ECS]

Yes, there been several claims made that will "change history" but NEVER is there a actual legitimate academic acknowledgement of these history changing finds, and when asked a simple question, these posters get very bellicose in their response while NEVER producing any proof to support their claim.

 

[lookin4coins]

I am sorry if I missed the explanation associated with this never ending thread over the years, but exactly what benefit does the FBI/US Government gain by denying the gold was ever recovered?


• A small percentage finders fee? Not likely as this would be small in comparison to even the latest round of stimulus checks. Let me first say that there are quite a few people that need the extra bump during this virus time.

• Hiding a historical recovery of US government owned 1800's gold? Not likely. Would this amount of gold even put a dent in the budget deficit? No.


So again, what is the net gain of hiding the truth of finding the gold, if they found it?

As always, I respectfully appreciate all opinions and theories.

 

[GoDeep]

I am sorry if I missed the explanation associated with this never ending thread over the years, but exactly what benefit does the FBI/US Government gain by denying the gold was ever recovered?


• A small percentage finders fee? Not likely as this would be small in comparison to even the latest round of stimulus checks. Let me first say that there are quite a few people that need the extra bump during this virus time.

• Hiding a historical recovery of US government owned 1800's gold? Not likely. Would this amount of gold even put a dent in the budget deficit? No.


So again, what is the net gain of hiding the truth of finding the gold, if they found it?

As always, I respectfully appreciate all opinions and theories.

You're dead on. You're speaking to what would be their motive to deny they found anything if they had. In LE, its one of the earliest things they try to establish, a motive.

-The finders "fee"? It'd be so miniscule as a percentage of the US gov't's budget and i haven't seen any statutory US code that guarantees any finders fee anyway and if it was stolen US gov't loot, there may not be any finders fee period. No, i think we can safely discount finders fee as a motive.

-So they can sell the gold and supplement their budget? First, i calculated it in one of my previous posts and it would be one weeks operating budget for the FBI. Plus, i argued they could make much more money displaying it at museums then they'd ever get selling it and blowing through the proceeds in ONE week. Our great grand kids would be viewing it in museums 200 years from now. No, i think we can safely discount financial gain as a motive.

-Ego? They just didn't like the FK group and wanted to take credit for the find themselves, oh wait, they deny anything was found. No, i think we can safely discount some sort of Ego/ Stolen Glory motive.

-Because nothing was found? Yeah, that could just well be the most plausible reason and motive to deny anything was found, because nothing was found. Day time and Night time on site cameras confirm this motive. Seized private communications of the FBI Counsel and PA Counsel confirm it too. Yeah, we may just have a winner here and it doesn't involve any need to twist the facts or promote conspiracy theories!

 

[pepperj]

How do you know they are not with holding information? The FBI does not have have the stellar reputation they once had either. Google FBI caught lying and see what comes up. Government agencies lie, that is a fact, I worked Air Force Intelligence when I was in, I saw many times multiple government agencies lie to the public. I knew they were lying because I knew the truth. CIA, NSA, White House all were lying...James Comey, former head of the FBI was caught lying several times.

Just couple examples....

"An ex-FBI lawyer will plead guilty to doctoring an email that led his agency to wiretap a former Trump campaign adviser, officials said Friday — which the president claimed is clear proof he has been “spied on.”Kevin Clinesmith will cop to lying, which helped lead to a renewed wiretap of Carter Page, his lawyer confirmed — in what will be the first guilty plea produced by special prosecutor John Durham’s probe of the Russia investigation."
Ex-FBI lawyer to plead guilty to falsifying Russia probe doc (nypost.com)


[FONT=&quot]"(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch was informed yesterday by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) that the FBI has located 30 pages of documents related to the June 27, 2016, tarmac meeting between former Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Bill Clinton, and proposes non-exempt material be produced no later than November 30, 2017 (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Justice (No. 1:16-cv-02046)).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The new documents are being sent to Judicial Watch in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit filed after the Justice Department failed to comply with a July 7, 2016, FOIA request seeking the following:[/FONT]

• All FD-302 forms prepared pursuant to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server during her tenure.
• All records of communications between any agent, employee, or representative of the Federal Bureau of Investigation regarding, concerning, or related to the aforementioned investigation. This request includes, but is not limited to, any related communications with any official, employee, or representative of the Department of Justice, the Executive Office of the President, the Democratic National Committee, and/or the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton.
• All records related to the meeting between Attorney General Lynch and former President Bill Clinton on June 27, 2016.

[FONT=&quot]The FBI originally informed Judicial Watch they did not locate any records related to the tarmac meeting. However, in a related case, the Justice Department located emails in which Justice Department officials communicated with the FBI and wrote that they had communicated with the FBI. As a result, by letter dated August 10, 2017, from the FBI stated, “Upon further review, we subsequently determined potentially responsive documents may exist. As a result, your [FOIA] request has been reopened…”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](Surprisingly, the Trump Justice Department refuses to disclose the talking points developed by the Obama Justice Department to help it respond to press inquiries about the controversial June 27, 2016, tarmac meeting between Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On June 27, 2016, Attorney General Loretta Lynch met privately with former President Bill Clinton on board a parked private plane at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix, Arizona. The meeting occurred during the then-ongoing investigation of Mrs. Clinton’s email server, and mere hours before the Benghazi report was released publicly involving both Mrs. Clinton and the Obama administration. Judicial Watch filed a request on June 30 that the U.S. Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General investigate that meeting.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“The FBI is out of control. It is stunning that the FBI ‘found’ these Clinton-Lynch tarmac records only after we caught the agency hiding them in another lawsuit,” stated Judicial Watch Tom Fitton. “Judicial Watch will continue to press for answers about the FBI’s document games in court. In the meantime, the FBI should stop the stonewall and release these new records immediately.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This case has also forced the FBI to release to the public the FBI’s Clinton investigative file, although more than half of the records remain withheld. The FBI has also told Judicial Watch that it anticipates completing the processing of these materials by July 2018.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There is significant controversy about whether the FBI and Obama Justice Department investigation gave Clinton and other witnesses and potential targets preferential treatment.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Obama administration extended numerous immunity agreements, including: Clinton’s former Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills; John Bentel, former director of the State Department’s Office of Information Resources Management; Heather Samuelson, Clinton’s executive assistant; Brian Pagliano, an IT employee at the State Department who serviced the Clinton non-government server; and an employee at Platt River Networks, the company that maintained it. It is not clear whether Hillary Clinton received some type of immunity.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In 2015, a political action committee run by McAuliffe, a close friend and political supporter of Bill and Hillary Clinton, donated nearly $500,000 to Jill McCabe, wife of McCabe, who was then running for the Virginia State Senate. Also, the Virginia Democratic Party, over which McAuliffe had significant influence, donated an additional $207,788 to the Jill McCabe campaign. In July 2015, Andrew McCabe was in charge of the FBI’s Washington, DC, field office, which provided personnel resources to the Clinton email probe. Judicial Watch has several lawsuits about this McCabe/FBI/Clinton scandal."

VIDEO: FBI CAUGHT LYING IN FEDERAL COURT! 30 PAGES OF DOCS JUST “FOUND” | 360NewsLasVegas.com[/FONT]

I guess it is ok because you are a charter member and a moderator to reference political issues.
Interesting

 

[lookin4coins]

-Because nothing was found? Yeah, that could just well be the most plausible reason and motive to deny anything was found, because nothing was found. Day time and Night time on site cameras confirm this motive. Seized private communications of the FBI Counsel and PA Counsel confirm it too. Yeah, we may just have a winner here and it doesn't involve any need to twist the facts or promote conspiracy theories!

You are correct GD. Occam's Razor theory comes to mind. This has served me very well over the years.

Keep up the good fight GD, you are the voice of reason in this thread.

 

[Honest Samuel]

It is against the rules to lie about a find, he never said he lied, he said "some info may be off or twisted ", that can encompass a lot of things that would not violate our rules. Example saying you found a gold ring on Miami beach when you actually found it on Daytona beach would not be grounds for any mod action. Saying you found a ring you instead bought would be. Calling a member a liar will get a member banned much faster than a member misleading where he found a ring or treasure.

From personnal experience, I know calling members liars will get us banned.

 

[lookin4coins]

FinderKeeper,

You are obviously active on this thread, please do not ghost me. I would like to ask you directly why you think the FBI hid the gold from YOU? What was their reason?

Please, help me understand.

As always, I respectfully appreciate all opinions and theories.

 

[Duckshot]

Let's not confuse the FBI with persons who work for the FBI. If this crime occurred it probably wasn't carried out as any government enterprise.

 

[GoDeep]

You are correct GD. Occam's Razor theory comes to mind. This has served me very well over the years.

Keep up the good fight GD, you are the voice of reason in this thread.

Thank you. I just follow the evidence. If evidence were to be uncovered that shows Gold was dug up, i'd be championing that too.

But when the biggest smoking gun piece of evidence post dig to date is uncovered and the FK group refuses to even once acknowledge it and fails to mention in it in their over 1 hour long "press release", you know their goal isn't to seek the truth or to seek justice, their goal is to promote a movie or a book and those don't happen if the evidence shows no Gold was dug up.

On March 16th, 2018, two days after the dig ended, seized private communications between FBI Counsel Kt Newton and PA DCNR counsel Audrey Miner, reveal that they were all disappointed nothing was found at the dig.

Private communications (emails, text messages and online search histories) have grown into one of LE's largest and most accurate tools to ascertain the truth and put criminals behind bars. Private communications are considered some of the most reliable pieces of evidence as they are written by the perpetrators themselves, in their own words and out of the public view. FK's group knows this and its why they had their attorney pursue the private communications, but now that they have some of them and they aren't favorable, they bury them. It makes one wonder if they don't have even further evidence they're burying that supports no gold being found.



K.T. Newton is an Assistant United States Attorney with the United States Attorney’s Office for the
Eastern District of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia). She is the dedicated prosecutor working with the
Philadelphia-based FBI Art Crime Team agents, and also prosecutes financial crimes and large
scale drug trafficking rings. She has received the Director’s Award from the Department of Justice,
has twice been named as the Prosecutor of the Year by the Delaware Valley Chapter of the
International Association of Financial Crimes Investigators, and has received several citations from
the United States Secret Service and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Audrey Feinman Miner was appointed Chief Counsel to the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources during June 2015.
Prior to that appointment, Miner was senior counsel with the Department of Health

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I guess it is ok because you are a charter member and a moderator to reference political issues.
Interesting

I didn't post political comments nor make political statements, I referenced the FBI has been caught lying multiple times in the recent past and gave 2 recent examples of 2 federal court cases against FBI.

If it will make you feel better I went back and deleted the parts explaining what the court cases were about and what they were caught lying about.