Finders Keepers USA Dents Run National Press Release

[delnorter]

I too am skeptical at this point if gold was found at this dig site. However, it is very true, lying and deception is an integral part of all LE training and practical procedures regarding investigations, crime scenes and suspects.

Actually the window of not deceiving and or outright lying is what’s narrow. The rules of LE lying are very lax and liberal. Look it up if you like.

For the record I’m very LE friendly, but I’m more fond of the truth.

Mike

 

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[Honest Samuel]

What’s next ? What can be done ?

Leave the lawsuits to your expense lawyer and go seek more treasures to pay them.

 

[Honest Samuel]

Everything I posted is true , I just held back some info and told it in a way that only the FBI knew the answer and only the FBI knew what questions to ask here for info they needed.

Relax, leave the many many lawsuits to your many expenses lawyers and seek many treasures to pay them off.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I didn't post political comments nor make political statements, I referenced the FBI has been caught lying multiple times in the recent past and gave 2 recent examples of 2 federal court cases against FBI.

If it will make you feel better I went back and deleted the parts explaining what the court cases were about and what they were caught lying about.

It’s trigger words...I’ve had posts randomly deleted for simply having the work “tyranny” in it.
No purposely baited or political purpose. Just reality.

In a fair world it’s a two way street...that’s in another dimension.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Dang it...ranted again when I shouldn’t have...thank goodness for the delete function. Having nothing to do with you t-hunter. I suppose if your subscribed to the thread you get the unfiltered opinions.

 

[FinderKeeper]

FinderKeeper,

You are obviously active on this thread, please do not ghost me. I would like to ask you directly why you think the FBI hid the gold from YOU? What was their reason?

Please, help me understand.

As always, I respectfully appreciate all opinions and theories.

OK lets try this again, The FBI were only allowed to dig up this site if we could prove to them Union Gold or Silver was there. Anything non Union they could not keep and would have to return to DCNR and Finders Keepers. Now the state of Pa, has not updated the law on found treasure. The 1860's law , is called Finders Keepers. If a treasure was found the land owner gets 50% and the Finder gets 50%. or if the original owner is located the owner gets 50% and the finder gets 50%. If its abandon treasure the original owner gets nothing.
So the army got rid of everything about the lost gold story, every thing about the lost gold was ordered to be hidden by orders of President Lincon because he did not want people looking for it, and he did not want the public to know it went missing. and there was no reward for it. So is it abandon treasure ?
Only can the courts answer these questions . Now does the FBI have a right to keep it ? and what about the non Union Gold and Silver ? The State of Pa. must give us 50% of anything they get . Now I said many times there was 7 1/2 tons of Silver at the Dents Run Cave site with 2 1/2 tons of Gold. The Silver I think came from Emporium Pa. from a Indian Village were in 1812, 7 1/2 tons of Spanish Silver went missing. So if I was right who is the original owner of the Silver. Spain or the Indians. Spain took the Silver from the South America people so they think they own it. But the Indians took it from them and it was abandon by the Spanish. So should the Indians own the Silver if the FBI found it. Then what about the Union Wagon Train Gold, was it abandon or hidden, if the KGC took it from the Union then it belongs to the KGC. Then what about everything not Union , jewelry, paper money , coins. If that money came from banks, trains , etc. how would it get returned but did insurance pay the owners back. There is a lot to a hunt like this.
When Finders Keepers and the FBI thought there was only 2 1/2 tons of Union Gold at this site everything was good. But when Enviroscan said there was 7 to 9 tons at this site , that's when the FBI turned against us.

We think this is one BIG MESS that could end with the FBI having to give us and DCNR a BIG CHUNK of what they dug up. So if they stay quiet they can keep it all. If they melt it down they will lose a big % of its value , its worth more as coins and bars to collectors.
I hope this helps answer your question.

O Ya, How did all that gold and silver get to Dents Run and go from 26 bars to 52 bars to 7 to 9 tons, it was the KGC Depositary.

 

[GoDeep]

OK lets try this again, The FBI were only allowed to dig up this site if we could prove to them Union Gold or Silver was there.

Two points:

1st: This statement is a contradiction as you have previously testified that you do not have the FBI warrant authorizing the dig, hence why your attorney brought suit on your behalf arguing in part that his client (you) had a right to know what reasons were laid out in the warrant to authorize the dig. This was a suit you just recently lost and the court refused to order the warrant turned over to you.

2nd: There is no way for you to definitively prove it was Union Gold (or gold at all) without first digging it up and having it forensically and historically analyzed.

At this point, since the dig has already occurred, the additional back story your just provided is past tense and irrelevant to providing evidence whether they dug up anything and becomes nothing more then a convoluted, diversionary story of intertwined tales of Spain, Indians, Lincoln and the KGC. You continuing to ignore the most relevant piece of direct evidence seized so far speaks volumes.

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

 

[KANACKI]

Hola amigo

Did I recall right you used Enviroscan survey the site?

And you would of have or still have copies of the original scan? Well if you have. Scan the site again with Enviroscan at least you will have the before and after scans of the site? You can show extensive changes to image by ground penetrating radar. It might serve you better than wasting time making allegations based on hearsay.

However me personally I not so trusting of these high tech surveys. In the mining industry ultimately what scans say and what they turn out to be turn out to be very different. That is why they still employ drillers to drill truth holes? Geologists and archeologists know it helps in giving a indication what is there but it cannot be relied upon solely.

However that said if you have before and after scans which gives an indication of gold silver or compacted dense metal in a small area. Its going to be more believable than unfounded claims.

Kanacki

 

[GoDeep]

Good points Kanacki.

I'll add too, scans after the fact may indeed reveal different readings, but that doesn't mean Gold was found. Scan readings changing after a dig are not uncommon when the ground has been dug up (it was reported they dug as deep as 20 feet!) and filled back in. It changes the density of the soil, as well as creates new unfilled air pockets (and destroys old pockets that may have been there) and redeposits at different depths and locations larger rocks, boulders and debris all of which can change the readings, even if nothing was found and removed.

One thing i read about the Enviroscan gravimeter is that its readings can be affected by dome structures, compacted soil and crystalline structures. Not so ironically, the scan site was an old road bed, over a cavern! It's also been incorrectly reported the the gravimeter tells the mineral type, it does not, it only reads the density which can be affected by several factors, including those listed above. It's a great tool, but far from infallible.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Can you clarify what you mean by this? We know you were "at the site" as in the general area, but Do you mean you were actually at the hole watching them as they dug out bucketful's of dirt or did they just lead you up to the dig site at the end of the day?

Finder Keeper
At 2PM the FBI let us go up the hill on Tue 1 day of dig. It was when they started digging at our gold site. From 9 am to 2 PM the FBI dug at the 2 other spots that Enviroscan located metal objects to the right of the underground drain pipe. We were on site watching the dig but had to stay away from the hole about 10'. I had to stop the dig because the Excavator was about to bury one of my trail cams . I got it and handed it to the FBI agent and he was holding it when it was still taking pictures of him . He gave it back to me and said Thats Fuxxen Genius , how I hid it. He did not ask if it was a real or fake cam . So my lawyer said as long as I gave it to him and he did not ask for the sid card, we can use all the pictures on it. The FBI dug down 6' to 7' and stopped ( the gold was at 8' to 10' ) and called it quits for the day. DCNR was at the dig site from 10am until 3:45 pm .
On Day 2 we and DCNR had to stay in our cars for 5 1/2 hrs. NO ONE could get even close to the green tent , and I mean NO ONE went close to it , all day .
On day 2 we left the site at 3pm after they showed us the empty hole , then the 2nd armored truck convoy left at 4:45pm from Sheetz and joined the armored truck at Valley Farms at 5:15pm. We told the news media many times that there was 4 armored trucks and 4 military hummers and 1 crain truck at Sheetz. We told the media SP was on site recording many people about the armored truck at Valley Farms Market at Weedsville . It was there for 5hrs and FBI SUV's were in and out all day. So Yes the FBI had a total of 5 armored trucks in the area. Ya armored trucks can be used for many things but the FBI shut down the roads into Dents Run at 5:45PM ( 12 hrs after the night dig ) and made people stay in their homes while the armored trucks were at the green tent. I don't think they were there for Indian bones and who uses a excavator to dig up Indian Bones. No everything they did after the night dig proves they removed something so major they had to dig at night time . O Ya each armored truck can carry 2 tons and the FBI said they were after 9 tons . 5 trucks X 2tons = 10 tons , do the math, it works.

The FBI did not shut down the roads and make people stay in their homes when they came to Dents Run Mon and Tue . So why shut the roads down on Tue night when they dug at night time until morning and Wed night. It does not add up when they say NOTHING WAS FOUND. we have many people recorded on tape by the SP so we have the proof we need.

The FBI has 17 DVD in their files.

New age said mini excavator ... I didn't go search the entire thread, but you say 8-10 feet. What size (model) was the equipment and it's depth capability?

 

[KANACKI]

Hola Amigo

Enviroscan’s geophysics team can do a combination of geophysical techniques to determine a better picture. They can perform four different surveys — microgravity, spontaneous potential, seismic refraction, and ground penetrating radar. With those 4 different techniques they can build up a better picture of what was there.

But alas we do not know what was done during the first survey.

Kanacki

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

The Enviroscan equipment cannot actually determine what metal was there (explained previously in the thread).

And now the story evolves yet again implicating Indians and the Knights of the Golden Circle.....is that because someone here pointed out that the Union Army never paid soldiers with gold?

And I do not believe the fbi ordered people to stay in their homes. That would have been on every news outlet.

The odds of a cable tv show continue to diminish...

 

[FinderKeeper]

Hola amigo

Did I recall right you used Enviroscan survey the site?

And you would of have or still have copies of the original scan? Well if you have. Scan the site again with Enviroscan at least you will have the before and after scans of the site? You can show extensive changes to image by ground penetrating radar. It might serve you better than wasting time making allegations based on hearsay.

However me personally I not so trusting of these high tech surveys. In the mining industry ultimately what scans say and what they turn out to be turn out to be very different. That is why they still employ drillers to drill truth holes? Geologists and archeologists know it helps in giving a indication what is there but it cannot be relied upon solely.

However that said if you have before and after scans which gives an indication of gold silver or compacted dense metal in a small area. Its going to be more believable than unfounded claims.

Kanacki

The FBI would not let us see the original scan, they said it was sealed for their eyes only. This is something we been fighting for from day 1. It cost the FBI $5,000 for Enviroscan to do the area and Enviroscan will not talk to anyone about this . Enviroscan will not go back on the site unless DCNR OK's it and at this point I have DCNR in court for the last 2yrs. The FBI showed us a drawing of what the scan showed but who knows what was really on the original scan. The scan is in the FBI files or in the warrant and thats what we been trying to get.
Ya scans for minerals can be off but this was 7 to 9 tons of gold at 7' and Enviroscan and other companys that were on site stand by the readings they got. Large mass of metal, and 7 to 9 tons of gold.

 

[FinderKeeper]

The hole they showed us on day 2 of the dig was around 13' deep.

New age said mini excavator ... I didn't go search the entire thread, but you say 8-10 feet. What size (model) was the equipment and it's depth capability?

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

The FBI would not let us see the original scan, they said it was sealed for their eyes only. This is something we been fighting for from day 1. It cost the FBI $5,000 for Enviroscan to do the area and Enviroscan will not talk to anyone about this . Enviroscan will not go back on the site unless DCNR OK's it and at this point I have DCNR in court for the last 2yrs. The FBI showed us a drawing of what the scan showed but who knows what was really on the original scan. The scan is in the FBI files or in the warrant and thats what we been trying to get.
Ya scans for minerals can be off but this was 7 to 9 tons of gold at 7' and Enviroscan and other companys that were on site stand by the readings they got. Large mass of metal, and 7 to 9 tons of gold.

You state that it was actually 7-9 tons of gold at 7' but as previously shown, the enviroscan cannot confirm the presence of any specific metals. Who were the "other companies" on site and what equipment did they use?

 

[ECS]

...We think this is one BIG MESS that could end with the FBI having to give us and DCNR a BIG CHUNK of what they dug up...

What would you do with all that dirt?

 

[GoDeep]

and Enviroscan and other companys that were on site stand by the readings they got. .

Say what? I'll have to go back and research the record, but i do not recall you ever mentioning other scan companies were also on site. Is this another "twisting" of the facts you admitted you have been doing all along?

 

[tinpan]

Hi , Why for God,s Sake would anyone create problems and controversy for the very Authorities that allow us to engage in this activity. PROBLEMS quickly end by a vote and a signature. No treasure hunting .

The lure of gold makes blind men throw more wood onto the fire of controversy. The biggest fire is what the dubious opportunist wants . Controversy sells . Right or Wrong does not matter

TP

 

[GoDeep]

The FBI showed us a drawing of what the scan showed but who knows what was really on the original scan.

Read this again FK, here you are admitting you actually have no idea what was actually on the scan. Enviroscan may have told you it was a large metallic mass, consistent with gold, but without seeing the scan, they too could be dishonest.

Again, this is more circumstantial evidence, from your own mouth, that supports you don't actually know for sure what was in the ground and by default, also supports the ever growing pile of evidence that no gold was found and dug up.

 

[RTR]

Hi , Why for God,s Sake would anyone create problems and controversy for the very Authorities that allow us to engage in this activity. PROBLEMS quickly end by a vote and a signature. No treasure hunting .

The lure of gold makes blind men throw more wood onto the fire of controversy. The biggest fire is what the dubious opportunist wants . Controversy sells . Right or Wrong does not matter

TP

Speaking of "blind men" why are all their eyes blacked out in post 174 ? I think we know why