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Helix · Apr 8, 2014

Like I said read the last paragraph in the article " The oddly aggressive enforcement of artifact laws".. Bottom line Votes, they would sell the shirt of there grandmothers back if it counted.

roadrunner · Apr 8, 2014

Goes to show that if you want to have skulls and skeletons in your house you better be a gov employee, a curator for a museum, or a permit or license to have them.
Period.
Other wise, throw them out with the trash, or sell them inconspicuously. Or put them on a proper door step in the middle of the night with no traces back to you.

gollum · Apr 8, 2014

...and anyway, what the H does re-repatriation mean? Did someone take his artifacts and repatriate them a long time ago, then this guy got them back, so now they have to be re-repatriated?

jeff of pa · Apr 9, 2014

gollum said:
...and anyway, what the H does re-repatriation mean? Did someone take his artifacts and repatriate them a long time ago, then this guy got them back, so now they have to be re-repatriated?

"re-repatriated ?" my guess if not a Typo, they were given back, the owner sold them,
& Now they will be given back to be resold again ? :dontknow:

Nice Racket if you can be in on it :unhappysmiley:

diggummup · Apr 9, 2014

gollum said:
Diggummup:

Look at the video of the guys collection. A BUNCH of skulls and at least one complete skeleton.

Indiana Jones? FBI finds thousands of artifacts in 91-year-old's home - latimes.com

The fact remains, there were no laws against this. NAGPRA didn't come into effect until around 25 years ago.

findingwaters · Apr 9, 2014

Will have to read up on this one. Interesting but I'm a bit behind with the news!

Guest 1551 · Apr 9, 2014

Wow! Is it just me or did he have the most bada$$ collection ever!! (the tunnel itself makes me jealous!)

Jeremy S · Apr 9, 2014

Here is a recent update: The Shelbyville News > News > FBI leaves scene of artifacts investigation, mum on details

diggummup · Apr 10, 2014

Jeremy S said:
Here is a recent update: The Shelbyville News > News > FBI leaves scene of artifacts investigation, mum on details

This quote is the one i'm interested in...

"Northern said that some statutes and treaties are retroactive."

I think that one needs a more in depth explanation.

I can't wait to see how this fiasco turns out.

BTW- The 1906 Antiquities Act only applies to federal land as far as I know. The burden of proof as to whether or not his artifacts came from such, lies on the Feds.

Guest 1551 · Apr 10, 2014

My Dad, an attorney, believes that he knew his time was coming, didn't want to get caught and go to prison, so he confessed, made a deal so he wouldn't have to go to prison then turned his collection over and is ratting out other black market antiquity dealers.

Treasure_Hunter · Apr 10, 2014

Donneybrook said:
My Dad, an attorney, believes that he knew his time was coming, didn't want to get caught and go to prison, so he confessed, made a deal so he wouldn't have to go to prison then turned his collection over and is ratting out other black market antiquity dealers.

Speculation. ....

American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

Guest 1551 · Apr 10, 2014

Treasure_Hunter said:
Speculation. ....

American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

What makes you say that? Criminals think in very similar ways. My dad has seen their ways for 20+ years.

Treasure_Hunter · Apr 10, 2014

Donneybrook said:
What makes you say that? Criminals think in very similar ways. My dad has seen their ways for 20+ years.

Unless your father personally knows him or the FBI agents conducting investigation it is speculation.....

spec·u·la·tion

ˌspekyəˈlāSHən/

noun

1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

"there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit"

2.
investment in stocks, property, or other ventures in the hope of gain but with the risk of loss.

"the company's move into property speculation"

American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

Guest 1551 · Apr 10, 2014

Treasure_Hunter said:
Unless your father personally knows him or the FBI agents conducting investigation it is speculation.....

spec·u·la·tion

ˌspekyəˈlāSHən/

noun

1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

"there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit"

2.
investment in stocks, property, or other ventures in the hope of gain but with the risk of loss.

"the company's move into property speculation"

True, but the way you say makes me believe that you think we are completely wrong. Technically you're speculating that we're wrong

lol

Treasure_Hunter · Apr 10, 2014

Donneybrook said:
True, but the way you say makes me believe that you think we are completely wrong. Technically you're speculating that we're wrong lol

I simply said it was speculation.......

Same thing a lawyer would say in court if statement was made from witness chair by someone who had no contact or involement with either side...

American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

diggummup · Apr 11, 2014

Donneybrook said:
What makes you say that? Criminals think in very similar ways. My dad has seen their ways for 20+ years.

So you and your dad already have him convicted huh? I mean you just called him a criminal without even knowing whether or not he did anything illegal yet. Not too smart. Unless you're privy to some inside information we don't know about?

Helix · Apr 11, 2014

diggummup said:
So you and your dad already have him convicted huh? I mean you just called him a criminal without even knowing whether or not he did anything illegal yet. Not too smart. Unless you're privy to some inside information we don't know about?

What movie is that oh yeah Office Space were the guy invents the "Jump to Conclusions Mat". Sound's like someone's father is a prosecutor, I believe that's there way of thinking.

diggummup · Apr 11, 2014

Helix said:
What movie is that oh yeah Office Space were the guy invents the "Jump to Conclusions Mat". Sound's like someone's father is a prosecutor, I believe that's there way of thinking.

Yeah, guilty until proven innocent.

Guest 1551 · Apr 11, 2014

diggummup said:
So you and your dad already have him convicted huh? I mean you just called him a criminal without even knowing whether or not he did anything illegal yet. Not too smart. Unless you're privy to some inside information we don't know about?

Haha that's just the way I write. Though keep in mind, that being the government, if they are able to prove just one little scraper was illegally obtained, there goes his whole collection.

Helix · Apr 11, 2014

I would not doubt one bit... Comments like this and other's seem to reason someone is trying to undermine us. Seriously you think we are that stupid?

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