Dutchman & government conspiracy Request
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Gentlemen,
There are a number of tunnel systems in the Superstitions that connect to surface mining operations. Many have been destroyed by a group Mr. Ribaudo is familiar with. Some have not. I believe I know where you are but could be mistaken. If you are then about 40 feet below where you are you should enter a tunnel system that may run for a great distance. You may encounter obvious signs of destruction if you are near something sensitive.
The majority of these systems are in the NW portion of the range.
If this system has not been destroyed you will encounter a number of different languages enscribed on the walls of the tunnels. Most of these languages will not make sense and reflect a culture that was destroyed.
Mr. Ribaudo this maybe the beginning of the proof you have always wanted. Enjoy the ride.
I am not who you suspect.
I have already said enough.
Gentlemen,
There are a number of tunnel systems in the Superstitions that connect to surface mining operations. Many have been destroyed by a group Mr. Ribaudo is familiar with. Some have not. I believe I know where you are but could be mistaken. If you are then about 40 feet below where you are you should enter a tunnel system that may run for a great distance. You may encounter obvious signs of destruction if you are near something sensitive.
The majority of these systems are in the NW portion of the range.
If this system has not been destroyed you will encounter a number of different languages enscribed on the walls of the tunnels. Most of these languages will not make sense and reflect a culture that was destroyed.
Mr. Ribaudo this maybe the beginning of the proof you have always wanted. Enjoy the ride.
I am not who you suspect.
I have already said enough.
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ELBAYO
Just don't mind them' keep those photo's comeing, its pretty cool stuff, adds alittle more awesomeness to this forum,
Joe's just mad because his heart shaped rock photo was just a poorly heart shaped rock. ( I'm gonna get that mother nature)
Take Care Wrmickel1
Just don't mind them' keep those photo's comeing, its pretty cool stuff, adds alittle more awesomeness to this forum,
Joe's just mad because his heart shaped rock photo was just a poorly heart shaped rock. ( I'm gonna get that mother nature)
Take Care Wrmickel1
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El Bayo:
Well.........
Is it ?
"Double-Jack Inc. is going to begin excavation on the spiral staircase project this weekend...To lose our tail, we are flying in and getting dropped off from the inside..."
Or is it ?
"This is all old news to us my friend....These photos are from a while ago, we already know the results of this location..."
But I suppose if I was "smarter"....like youse guys.... I'd already know .
Right ?
Regards:SH.
Well.........
Is it ?
"Double-Jack Inc. is going to begin excavation on the spiral staircase project this weekend...To lose our tail, we are flying in and getting dropped off from the inside..."
Or is it ?
"This is all old news to us my friend....These photos are from a while ago, we already know the results of this location..."
But I suppose if I was "smarter"....like youse guys.... I'd already know .
Right ?
Regards:SH.
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Wayne,
Sounds like they are chasing their tail, rather than losing it. I think Kurt would be better off just finishing the book, and movie, and then try selling his story to the public. By posting all the pictures and giving us a preview of what's to come, he is just digging a bigger and less convincing hole.
Take care,
Joe
Sounds like they are chasing their tail, rather than losing it. I think Kurt would be better off just finishing the book, and movie, and then try selling his story to the public. By posting all the pictures and giving us a preview of what's to come, he is just digging a bigger and less convincing hole.
Take care,
Joe
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Joe:
I think the efforts required in chasing history does often result in finding one's own tail out front, and Kurt and friends seem to be working on several different projects simultaneously. They have already stated a purpose of finding old mines in the wilderness, and there are many resources available with books and the old maps which exist that show where to search for them. Old wells, rock corrals, ruins and even the old furnaces are shown on them, as well as most of the claims which we known at the time these maps were made, leaving plenty of clues to work with. Jim Hatt had amassed a large collection, not exclusively as many others have as well, which he happened to share when so inclined. DJ has said that they are continuing Jim's quest, within his areas of interest, based on the information which he shared with Kurt. It may take a while.
So far as I can tell, the old nazi dagger part came from one of the old mines which they found and re-opened, whereas the photos of the man-made staircase were taken in a cave, formed by a natural fault. Some of the mines out there are located at such faults, as are many of the deeper caves. Some have served as shelters, or have ruins within them which sometime have sets of such steps as well, Perhaps this is what they have found, but at least they can share their photos of what is unquestionably a man-made staircase, unlike these purple stones people who seem to have forgotten the "pictures" part of what is necessary to gain credibility for their claim to be working such a place.
Regards:Wayne
I think the efforts required in chasing history does often result in finding one's own tail out front, and Kurt and friends seem to be working on several different projects simultaneously. They have already stated a purpose of finding old mines in the wilderness, and there are many resources available with books and the old maps which exist that show where to search for them. Old wells, rock corrals, ruins and even the old furnaces are shown on them, as well as most of the claims which we known at the time these maps were made, leaving plenty of clues to work with. Jim Hatt had amassed a large collection, not exclusively as many others have as well, which he happened to share when so inclined. DJ has said that they are continuing Jim's quest, within his areas of interest, based on the information which he shared with Kurt. It may take a while.
So far as I can tell, the old nazi dagger part came from one of the old mines which they found and re-opened, whereas the photos of the man-made staircase were taken in a cave, formed by a natural fault. Some of the mines out there are located at such faults, as are many of the deeper caves. Some have served as shelters, or have ruins within them which sometime have sets of such steps as well, Perhaps this is what they have found, but at least they can share their photos of what is unquestionably a man-made staircase, unlike these purple stones people who seem to have forgotten the "pictures" part of what is necessary to gain credibility for their claim to be working such a place.
Regards:Wayne
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-----------------5th---------------------- Ladies & Gentlemen, to a limited extent I possibly am guilty of the same thingie. I have posted pictures and stories of my search, things which I should have kept for the book, but then, let's face it, sides being inherently lazy and a bit mature (89 ?) I probably will never see the book published,
So I have shared with my friends today, not tomorrow, when many of us will no longer be in a condition to read about Tayopa. Incidentally, I have a team working up there right now, but not on the Tayopa mine itself, but on one of the main deposits - for the included documents and maps that are listed as being inside. Remember, it is in the heart of the narco country, so no monetary values can possibly be brought out without a bloody confrontation. Is it worth that when I am comfortable as it is?
Can we actually find the entrance key ? That is the present goal. Tayopa is positively located, so it no longer is a priority. So after finishing this project, will prob go help ya'all on the LDM project.
Don Jose de La Mancha (who has absorbed too much of Mexico's past, including Manana. Today it is indistinguishable from say Tucson or Phoenix, go go go )
So I have shared with my friends today, not tomorrow, when many of us will no longer be in a condition to read about Tayopa. Incidentally, I have a team working up there right now, but not on the Tayopa mine itself, but on one of the main deposits - for the included documents and maps that are listed as being inside. Remember, it is in the heart of the narco country, so no monetary values can possibly be brought out without a bloody confrontation. Is it worth that when I am comfortable as it is?
Can we actually find the entrance key ? That is the present goal. Tayopa is positively located, so it no longer is a priority. So after finishing this project, will prob go help ya'all on the LDM project.
Don Jose de La Mancha (who has absorbed too much of Mexico's past, including Manana. Today it is indistinguishable from say Tucson or Phoenix, go go go )
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Wayne,
I'm no fan of Jim Hatt's legacy, but I do have a lot of respect for the time he spent in the mountains. That being said, I have serious doubts about anyone following in his foot prints.
Kurt may have the mother of all treasure troves at one of his locations, and I will be happy to give him his due, if and when, he provides credible evidence of treasure or valuable ore at any of his finds. Pictures of natural geological features are not proof of treasure, much like your picture of the bat cave. They are interesting, but not conclusive. I have been in many caves and quite a few old mines. Never made the effort to make them anything more than they are.
Take care,
Joe
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Joe:
I don't think Kurt and crew have claimed to have found treasure or valuable ore in any appreciable amount at the location where these steps were found. Nor have I claimed that the bat cave did indeed contain either treasure or ore of any kind. Both places however, have evidence which is undeniable as man-made.But we haven't just talked about seeing these things...we have supplied photos so that other interested parties can see what we saw.
I don't think the ladder and scaffolding were built at the bat cave, or that the stairway was constructed within Kurt's fault cave "just because it was there". You may see it differently, as is your prerogative.
Although the originators of this topic have made claims to be working a shaft or cave with "the" circular staircase, which has been said to exist in the mountains, it is only the DJ group who have shown photos of anything similar to what was described. In my opinion this fact at least shows more "been there and done that" than what many such claimants can ante-up.
Regards:Wayne
I don't think Kurt and crew have claimed to have found treasure or valuable ore in any appreciable amount at the location where these steps were found. Nor have I claimed that the bat cave did indeed contain either treasure or ore of any kind. Both places however, have evidence which is undeniable as man-made.But we haven't just talked about seeing these things...we have supplied photos so that other interested parties can see what we saw.
I don't think the ladder and scaffolding were built at the bat cave, or that the stairway was constructed within Kurt's fault cave "just because it was there". You may see it differently, as is your prerogative.
Although the originators of this topic have made claims to be working a shaft or cave with "the" circular staircase, which has been said to exist in the mountains, it is only the DJ group who have shown photos of anything similar to what was described. In my opinion this fact at least shows more "been there and done that" than what many such claimants can ante-up.
Regards:Wayne
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cactusjumper
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Wayne,
"I don't think Kurt and crew have claimed to have found treasure or valuable ore in any appreciable amount at the location where these steps were found. Nor have I claimed that the bat cave did indeed contain either treasure or ore of any kind."
I believe that's true. Since this topic is about the "Dutchman", it would seem the proper place to bring such things into the discussion. So do you think they just stumble blindly onto this cave, as well as the other sites they have written about? If not, were they following some story or legend to these locations?
I never felt they found these sites by blind luck, based on the way they have presented them to us. I have followed Kurt's posts from the start, both here and on DUSA. I will be the first to say I may not have understood what he was trying to say.
For me, the implication was that they had something to do with treasure, ore or something of value. Even the LDM.
"Pictures of natural geological features are not proof of treasure, much like your picture of the bat cave. They are interesting, but not conclusive."
I should have added what I have called a heart formation. Others don't feel it's that much of a match.
Take care,
Joe
"I don't think Kurt and crew have claimed to have found treasure or valuable ore in any appreciable amount at the location where these steps were found. Nor have I claimed that the bat cave did indeed contain either treasure or ore of any kind."
I believe that's true. Since this topic is about the "Dutchman", it would seem the proper place to bring such things into the discussion. So do you think they just stumble blindly onto this cave, as well as the other sites they have written about? If not, were they following some story or legend to these locations?
I never felt they found these sites by blind luck, based on the way they have presented them to us. I have followed Kurt's posts from the start, both here and on DUSA. I will be the first to say I may not have understood what he was trying to say.
For me, the implication was that they had something to do with treasure, ore or something of value. Even the LDM.
"Pictures of natural geological features are not proof of treasure, much like your picture of the bat cave. They are interesting, but not conclusive."
I should have added what I have called a heart formation. Others don't feel it's that much of a match.
Take care,
Joe
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No one has ever proved any of the marks on the Peralta stone's are in the the superstitions, They use unclear zoomed pictures and see alot of stuff thats just not there. Then claim mother nature rotted them away. 2 3 hundred years is not a long time for stone. Show me well carved deep marks and perfect hearts then I'll believe.
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No one has ever proved any of the marks on the Peralta stone's are in the the superstitions, They use unclear zoomed pictures and see alot of stuff thats just not there. Then claim mother nature rotted them away. 2 3 hundred years is not a long time for stone. Show me well carved deep marks and perfect hearts then I'll believe.
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Wrm.,
Why does the heart have to be perfect? What's wrong with finding something very close to what is drawn on the Stone Maps?
Like this:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj268/cactus_jumper/Expedition2004069.jpg
The trail coming out of West Boulder is there, and it ends in the center of the heart.
Take care,
Joe
MoonGod finds 1847 mine
Tenderfoot
The Peralta Mine/lost Dutchmen Mine found by MoonGod
In 2001, my Father and I travel from the Peralta’s Priest rock formation (1) that faces East South, I traveled in this direction than I climb over a boulder that’s on the trail that curves to the right, (I can’t go around the boulder because of the rocky terrain on the right side that drop at a shape angle and full of bushes which make it a very dangerous terrain) and continues to travel down at a right flank angle to the face of the rock you can see were the stairway where and since they been chiseled off you now have to climb on you (my) belly up to the entrance of the Cave/ Peralta Aztec treasure storage house I been there 3 times 2001,03,05).
I JMM, been sharing w/Phil Reinhardt since Jan or Feb 2012 by phone and email the location to the peralta 1847 mine and my notes to the meaning of the stone maps. since 10/1/12 he's been looking for the mine, than on 12/4/12 He has confirmed my location to the site of the 1847 mine.
I am the Guide to the Peralta mine do u want to go there?
In 2001, my Father and I travel from the Peralta’s Priest rock formation (1) that faces East South, I traveled in this direction than I climb over a boulder that’s on the trail that curves to the right, (I can’t go around the boulder because of the rocky terrain on the right side that drop at a shape angle and full of bushes which make it a very dangerous terrain) and continues to travel down at a right flank angle to the face of the rock you can see were the stairway where and since they been chiseled off you now have to climb on you (my) belly up to the entrance of the Cave/ Peralta Aztec treasure storage house I been there 3 times 2001,03,05).
I JMM, been sharing w/Phil Reinhardt since Jan or Feb 2012 by phone and email the location to the peralta 1847 mine and my notes to the meaning of the stone maps. since 10/1/12 he's been looking for the mine, than on 12/4/12 He has confirmed my location to the site of the 1847 mine.
I am the Guide to the Peralta mine do u want to go there?
MoonGod finds 1847 mine
Tenderfoot
In 2001, my Father and I travel from the Peralta’s Priest rock formation (1) that faces East South, I traveled in this direction than I climb over a boulder that’s on the trail that curves to the right, (I can’t go around the boulder because of the rocky terrain on the right side that drop at a shape angle and full of bushes which make it a very dangerous terrain) and continues to travel down at a right flank angle to the face of the rock you can see were the stairway where and since they been chiseled off you now have to climb on you (my) belly up to the entrance of the Cave. you must be able to stand in front of the stone cap mine and look out the window and see the Priest formation 2 know that ur in the Peralta 1847 mine and in the north cornner is the graving of the 1847, which is also one of the Aztec treasure storage house I been there 3 times 2001,03,05).
I JMM, been sharing w/Phil Reinhardt since Jan or Feb 2012 by phone and email the location to the peralta 1847 mine and my notes to the meaning of the 5 stone maps. Since 10/1/12 he's been looking for the mine, than on 12/4/12 He has confirmed my location to the Peralta 1847 mine. I didn’t know anything about the Peralta stones until 2010. in fact phil and rick have being going there since 11/15/12.
Phil says he wants to work with me, if u want to go let me know, its best for many people to know now for Safety reasons, u know what i mean,
I JMM, been sharing w/Phil Reinhardt since Jan or Feb 2012 by phone and email the location to the peralta 1847 mine and my notes to the meaning of the 5 stone maps. Since 10/1/12 he's been looking for the mine, than on 12/4/12 He has confirmed my location to the Peralta 1847 mine. I didn’t know anything about the Peralta stones until 2010. in fact phil and rick have being going there since 11/15/12.
Phil says he wants to work with me, if u want to go let me know, its best for many people to know now for Safety reasons, u know what i mean,
cactusjumper
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MoonGod finds 1847 mine,
Personally, I would love to go with you. Problem is, I am doing well to walk on level ground these days. If possible, could you just send me a chunk of the ore, around the size of my head......It's large. I would like to have it for a door stop to my war room.
Right now, I am stuck with using this piece of trash rock and it scratches up the door.
I would very much appreciate the kindness.
Good luck,
Joe Ribaudo
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It takes this kind of determination to complete a search.....Do you have it? Would you like to search with the best? We are adding 1 new member in 2012....Double-Jack also donates time to Pinal county Search and Rescue when called upon to do so....If you have skills and time to search for the lost, Double-Jack is looking for you...In the photo is founding member Eric Glover ( The Badger )......
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Moongod:
Does this mean that Phil has to change the script for his Stone Map documentary again......??
And ya might take a look back down the trail. There's a hermit gainin on ya.
Might be ok though, cause he don't know nothin about them aztecs.... or the dangerous bushes.
I've heard them things can chew ya up and spit you out somethin awful.
Regards:SH.
Does this mean that Phil has to change the script for his Stone Map documentary again......??
And ya might take a look back down the trail. There's a hermit gainin on ya.
Might be ok though, cause he don't know nothin about them aztecs.... or the dangerous bushes.
I've heard them things can chew ya up and spit you out somethin awful.
Regards:SH.
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coazon de oro
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Hell O Joe,
The trail in the PSM's does indeed end in the center of the heart, and not the point. Are you claiming that there could be something of value worthy of the creation of the PSM's in the center of the heart you posted?
Have you ever tried chipping into the center of that heart?
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