DOC NOSS-Victorio Peak OR The Caballo Mountains

[Not Peralta]

sdcfia, since your curious, how do you know they didn't,ha ha ha , he used his neighbors computer. and we talked . np

 

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[UncleMatt]

I appreciate you sharing that story NP, I just wish there was more we could glean from it

 

[Not Peralta]

UncleMatt, because there could be more sites in the area, and his group is still active in hunting the area. and I am sure now they are not wanting to share with anyone. np

 

[UncleMatt]

Which Pueblo Indians in NM are you referring to exactly? I deal with many NM Pueblos on a monthly basis as part of my job, and I have never heard any such claims about Jesuit or Spanish documents that were preserved by them from the revolt back in the day. That would be news to me and a whole lot of people.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Senior NObody, you are not a nobody to me. I believe that you have cleared up a critical point for me. There still remains the later date on the mine character. I have my own theories, but no bottom to actually fasten to. Perhaps someone else will come to our rescue as you have so magnificently done..

I originally assumed that it was in reference to the actual curved shape of the ineral zone, which it does, but you seem to have locked it in nicely, congrats.

May I use your defination to be included in the book?

Incidentally,in the very first picture of the Crosiers, and the third, definitely show a serpent, The fourth is almost identical to the map..

 

[sdcfia]

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This is KGC stuff, as far as Noss, the dude who whacked him, Willie, and the Reynolds Kid, with Noss' and Willie's info and map very likely coming from the the Reynolds kid, who was probably related to the Reynolds Gang (KGC unit). Now, who the KGC were really working for, what treasure they may have hid and what treasures they may have hunted and to what success, like the Conquistadors before them, is a very large and looming question ...<cut>

The gorilla (pardon the pun) in the room. Noss: Indian sympathizer, buried in a Masonic cemetery, aka Tom Starr from Oklahoma, surfaces in the 1930s where the gold is. Ward: treated in a Masonic hospital following his injury, surfaces in the 1930s where the gold is. Douthit: surfaces in the 1930s where the gold is, an admitted Mason, as can now be seen from the "Willie Douthit" thread, a most intriguing hand. Reynolds: shows up in the 1930s where the gold is, linked by name (family?) to an alleged Colorado gang, which in turn (along with the Starrs) is linked with the Southern "guerrillas" (Quantrill). Ryan: a Mason; shows up in the 1940s where the gold is. FDR allegedly a visitor to the Caballos in 1927 and 1929 and an investor in the Taggert claim there (his picture below on another treasure hunt at Oak Island).

Those large and looming questions? Nothing happening here folks, don't gawk, just keep moving along.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Interesting comparison, no ? Even flames shooting out of the serpents mouth.Almost clinches Tayopa as being the principal source of the metal..

 

[UncleMatt]

Sdcfia, as has already been pointed our by Gollum, you don't have to be a Mason to be buried in a Mason cemetery. I would also ask to see what you are basing your comments on about guerrilla gangs in Colorado and elsewhere.

 

[sdcfia]

Sdcfia, as has already been pointed our by Gollum, you don't have to be a Mason to be buried in a Mason cemetery. I would also ask to see what you are basing your comments on about guerrilla gangs in Colorado and elsewhere.

I don't trust coincidences, and the Noss factoid, while arguably innocuous, is nonetheless a coincidence that seems to tie some of our known actors together, and also provides a link to the guerrilla references. There's nothing proven, but these things remain open questions in the Caballo mysteries, in my opinion. "Nobody" gave you a hint and a link to get started with. However, that road is long and winding with many cans of worms along the way - and not a source of quick and simple answers. Like some guy once said, "History is a puppet show for childish minds," and the Caballo history is probably a good example of this concept.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi sgt, Is IT?? As far as I am concerned the Victorio Peak / Caballo mte thingie is only important to me because of it''s relationship to the Illegal mines in Sonora, Chihuahua (Tayopa) shipping their metal to Rome. They were the holding spot for the Jesuit ships that anchored at irregular times in the vicinity of Matamoros for transshipment to Rome.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

I believe that what ever the K.G.C. left in New mexico is as close to this line as you can get.

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is highly likely that this railway was used by the O.A.K. to make later deposits or remove what was left there by the K.G.C.

L.C.
coincidence?

1846 - U.S. army fort built.[3]
1850 - Town becomes part of U.S. New Mexico Territory.
1862 - Town occupied by U.S. Confederate troops.[4]
1867 - Military post closes.[3]
1871 - Menaul School established.[5]
1873 - Jesuit College established.[6]
1879 - Albuquerque Academy established.
1880
Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway depot built near town.

Paul Morton would eventually rise to become president of the Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Railroad.
American President: Paul Morton (1904?1905)

 

[sdcfia]

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I believe that what ever the K.G.C. left in New mexico is as close to this line as you can get.

L.C.

That line goes right through Glorieta Pass.

 

[bobinsd]

Mike....or anyone,
Do you have any info on the indian tribe that had "European" features reported by the early Spanish in San Diego and
perhaps in AZ and NM? I believe I read where they might have been descendants of the Vikings that explored the Sea of Cortez
much prior to Ubilla. Perhaps it goes further back, to the KT, who, if they visited via the Rio Grande, certainly would not have had a way of getting back, nor the desire. If so, they would certainly have tried to pass on their knowledge (and genes) of the world to the natives (or they were killed first). Or perhaps they were the first to visit the Aztecs, taught them how to find/mine gold, and then headed north to the Rio Grande. This would explain Montezuma's acceptance of Cortez's "return". Bob

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HMMM The Aztecs, were from the Sinai Penn, They were possibly the lost tribe, They migrated across the Med Basin, to the remains of Atlantis, off of the coast of Spain, crossed the Atlantic to North America, gradually worked their way across to Ariz, then turned to the south where they established their empire.

They thought that Cortez was the promised one because of tradition laid down.. even today in the US and in Mexico their path is strewn with Hebrew pictures and words.

 

[UncleMatt]

I find that scenario intriguing to consider, but if a pre-Columbian contact had been made with SW native cultures, I think we would see more evidence of that. For example, if a European culture well versed in mining and metallurgy had made such contact, and had passed that knowledge onto the natives, wouldn't we have seen that change the weapon technology of those cultures in a permanent way? If they were shown how to switch from stone based tools and weapons to metal based versions, such items would have been evident when the Spanish first encountered them. As far as I know no accounts exist that would speak to the existence of such pre-Columbian contact.

 

[TexAu]

Found a video about willie's treasure

Hello everyone,

I found this video talking about the search for willies cave. This video was taken in 1992. It is long, over an hour. You want to skip to 24.45
I am not sure I am allowed to post link directly to video, but it is easy to find when I did a search.

search you tube for...... Jim's New Mexico adventure Part 1

Points i found interesting add any thought you have-
1 village ruins almost look like parapets.
2 cart trail to where?
3 the red obelisk
4 the eye
5 the iron rod and bailing wire( looks newer then 1930's)
6 possible cross in cliff face center frame at 34.07

add it to your willie info.
texau

 

[UncleMatt]

I enjoyed the part of the video about the eye and the red obelisk, and also the long cart road made of rock.

I have to say, it occurred to me that the rock cart road they found resembled another that I saw in that story posted here on T-net called Secrets of An Ancient Map. They too found a cart road leading up to an area they thought a large cache had been left. And they have the rock map and story to prove it. I find it fascinating that carts were being used in such a way, as that would have required tremendous effort to build roads suitable to allow their passage loaded down very heavy with gold and/or silver.

 

[UncleMatt]

I took the liberty of pasting the video link

 

[kanabite]

ths lil map


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oh oh i like the pretty pictures with the "churches" on
em!

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