DO TREASURES HAVE REAL SPIRITS

[Rebel - KGC]

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Not sure anything like Kensington Rune Stone, or any other rune, etc.
Interesting similarities in rock work. Maybe Celestial, Archeoastronomy ?...
Phoenicians? Celts? (carvers of not only small animals)?; KT?, SJ?, JJ? Campground? View attachment 1010369
Altar? Possible Newport Tower alignment? Significant difference in winterView attachment 1010357 ~ summer S/S ... View attachment 1010299View attachment 1010328

THAT "site" reminds me of MYSTERY HILL in New England states...

 

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[Oroblanco]

Crosse de Sign, are you sure that is a cave, and not a mine or tunnel? It looks like a man-made tunnel to me, which is even more interesting than a cave!

Ever spent a night camped there?

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Rebel, I'll google Mystery Hill? New England States when I get the chance, Thanks...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

~Never have camped, would probably be interesting, he he,
considering the previous campers, LOL! :

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

I agree with Oro on the tunnel. Approx what size is it ? Nature can duplicate mans work easily.

Don Jose de La Manha

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Originally Natural, Then Modified?

I agree with Oro on the tunnel. Approx what size is it ? Nature can duplicate mans work easily.

Don Jose de La Manha

~ I do agree, there could have been various mods done to the original space...

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

With more pictures shown I now tend to believe that nature made the tunnel'. Man possibly utilized it later but Nature made it.

An example of Nature mimicking man go to the Amaru site

Jose

 

[Oroblanco]

Crosse de Sign - a mine may be something other than gold; remember, silver often is found intruded into limestone deposits, or even into sandstones, which are very poor types of rock to find gold in. Silver also is usually not found in the native state (as pure silver) but as a mineral, usually a soft mineral at that, so relatively easy to mine out with simple hand tools; I don't have a photo handy to post but I can assure you that I have seen old silver mines that look very much as your cave appears. Look at the scratches and gouges on the sides and roof of the tunnel, this is not in keeping with a cave but is in keeping with a mine tunnel; a cave more often has nice smooth surfaces complete with stalactites and stalagmites, of which I see none in your example. If I had to place a bet on it, my money would be that you have a mine there, possibly an old silver or lead mine (these two metals are very often linked in nature, so that finding one means you find the other as well, at varying degrees of mixture) or possibly something even more unexpected like a gemstone mine!

Kimberlite, the mineral host which produces diamonds, when aged and weathered, looks like a nasty sticky clay, or a soft clay stone; I am not proposing that is a diamond mine, just explaining that many mines which are not gold mines, may not look like what one expects to see.

Thank you for sharing it, that is a most interesting, intriguing spot; I hope you will keep us posted and my apologies for drifting so far off topic.
Oroblanco

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Oro, where are your favorite indicators - Tailings? it is too clean. Mom nature sculptures well with a bit of flowing and time tme,

Hesh oro get bk to making sock coffee

Don Jose de La Mancha

P;ts. your limestone theory is quite correct.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Sure is oro

Don Jose de La ancha

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Thanks Oro, Rebel and Don Jose,
I reckon I was thinking about no known minerals reported in this area,
other than Rose rocks and Geodes, iron making it hard to detect, that's mostly it.

I also know that the Comanche among others, considered all of this territory to
be their sacred hunting grounds. When the noisy palefaces came through, they
were more than happy to ambush them, and take their goods.
They were eventually successful in routing the invaders, and they buried who
knows what all that they captured, though in part they succeeded with help
from other European competitors, then unknown to them.

They fought for over two centuries to provide their homeland security, while
also fighting off surprise attacks from such raiders as the Osage, Arapaho,
and Apache, as well as competing also with other plains tribes like the
Sioux and Cheyenne, that had migrated to the vast grasslands,
full of game and other food resources, in the seasons.

Interesting, Thanks... Crosse

 

[Oroblanco]

Oro, where are your favorite indicators - Tailings? it is too clean. Mom nature sculptures well with a bit of flowing and time tme,

Hesh oro get bk to making sock coffee

Don Jose de La Mancha

P;ts. your limestone theory is quite correct.

Every once in a while, you find a mine that has NO tailings. We found one like that a couple of years ago, not a single piece of waste rock, just a really neat tunnel, with the roof nicely arched just like in these photos. I would also point out that a mine that could be thousands of years old, will not look like one that is 100 years old, nature helps to "blend" it back into the surroundings surprisingly well.

Cross de Sign, look for any iron staining on the rock, discoloration etc and outside the tunnel too. It could be a cave, but my money is on an old mine. The signs and symbols may be religious in nature, for the benefit of the mine workers, rather than some kind of hidden 'key' to mislead or lead concerning the mine or its output. Spanish miners would often put a small cross over the entrance of their mines, ancient Hebrews enslaved in Egyptian mines wrote graffiti begging for God to help them, Punic and Phoenician prospectors likewise had their religious beliefs which were quite different from Christianity or Judaism, involving sacrifices of animals, food and even human beings for special favor. Remember too that the Comanches and for that matter all Amerindians prior to 1492, had NO horses, so were considerably less formidable as enemies than later. IF that was an ancient visitor site, any natives living around there may have simply avoided them, or even been on friendly relations. Phoenicians were quite able to befriend rather wild barbarian peoples, even managing to trade with some people that they could not meet with face-to-face; they would leave a pile of goods on the ground and build a smoky fire to raise a column of smoke, then retreat; the natives would come and look at the goods, place some gold or other trade items, and do the same process, and this was repeated until the natives would take the goods (leaving their gold as payment) with perfect honesty on both sides, which surprised the historian Herodotus.

I would definitely investigate that place further if it were me, and I hope you will keep us posted with your discoveries.
Oroblanco

 

[Crosse De Sign]

The entrance has obviously taken quite a beating through the centuries,
from the water, temperature, storms, and wind, which would not be the
right conditions for the beautiful, but delicate mineral growths.

If you could give me more info about the ancient travelers, the marks
they used, practices, and meanings that they may have left behind,
that would be most interesting, and possibly helpful.
Thanks again for your valued input...

 

[Oroblanco]

Hola amigo and my apologies for heading off into the weeds this time but to try to answer your request, I ask your indulgence.

You already saw the Tanit symbol, which is Carthaginian absolutely; it was used by other peoples within their sphere of influence but is linked to Carthage as their patron goddess of the city.

A palm tree is also the symbol of 'home' for all Phoenicians, and a palm tree with horse head is Carthage's trade symbol. They also used just a horse head, besides the palm alone, a play on their origin legend (the founding queen Dido/Elyssayat supposedly saw in a dream that they would found a city at a spot where a horse head would be found, and on top of the hill that dominated the city, her men found a horse skull).

A swan is the symbol of Tyre, as you know the city state of king Hiram, friend of kings David and Solomon;

A strange dwarf with feather headdress is the symbol of Ebusus, a Phoenician colony in the Balaeric islands;

A fish is the symbol of Sidon, which name (in Phoenician) means "fish"; Sidon was another powerful and rich city state of Phoenicia:

The Caduceus, a sign usually associated with medicine and doctors today, originates in Carthage and was another symbol frequently seen on their monuments; the meaning is not 100% clear but may be linked to their god of healing, Eshmun

The long cross, usually tilted to one side, is associated with Tyre (usually) and linked to the goddess Astarte; some have theorized that this cross really means the cross-staff, a tool used by ancient mariners to find their latitude when navigating.

Each letter of the Phoenician alphabet is also a word, so that "g" or "gimel" also means "camel"; "b" or "beth" means "house"etc. A simple message could be composed of just single letters.

There are many more symbols and numbers involved, too much to list in a single post, but just something to consider; the Phoenicians were very much prospectors and miners, and like the Spanish later, amassed great treasures. When their homelands were conquered, many of those treasures were never found.

<Treasure of Carambolo>
Treasure of El Carambolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Phoenician alphabet
Phoenician Alphabet Origin


<Punic alphabet is slightly different but very similar, and all of these are written right to left not left to right>

Good luck and good hunting amigos I hope I have not bored you with this, not sure how to tie in to the topic.
Oroblanco

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Oro, how often do you see 2 posts at the same time, 8:18 LOL

I don't know where the Comanche's ancestors were around the time that De Soto,
in the early 1500's, sailed into the Gulf Of Mexico, and trekked inland, perhaps as
far as into Colorado, and beyond.

It is likely, that they the Comanche ancestors, were
one of the mound builder cultures of the period...

This is also evident, but they the fearsome Comanche, got horses when they
rebelled against the Spanish slavery, and murdered as many as they could
with a bloodthirsty vengeance, and destroyed all signs of them ever being
here that they could. Oftentimes they prevailed, but when they buried their
spoils, they didn't use signs or symbols, so did they ever remember where
it was that they cached it? More treasure out there, needles in the jungle.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Hola amigo and my apologies for heading off into the weeds this time but to try to answer your request, I ask your indulgence.

You already saw the Tanit symbol, which is Carthaginian absolutely; it was used by other peoples within their sphere of influence but is linked to Carthage as their patron goddess of the city.

A palm tree is also the symbol of 'home' for all Phoenicians, and a palm tree with horse head is Carthage's trade symbol. They also used just a horse head, besides the palm alone, a play on their origin legend (the founding queen Dido/Elyssayat supposedly saw in a dream that they would found a city at a spot where a horse head would be found, and on top of the hill that dominated the city, her men found a horse skull).

A swan is the symbol of Tyre, as you know the city state of king Hiram, friend of kings David and Solomon;

A strange dwarf with feather headdress is the symbol of Ebusus, a Phoenician colony in the Balaeric islands;

A fish is the symbol of Sidon, which name (in Phoenician) means "fish"; Sidon was another powerful and rich city state of Phoenicia:

The Caduceus, a sign usually associated with medicine and doctors today, originates in Carthage and was another symbol frequently seen on their monuments; the meaning is not 100% clear but may be linked to their god of healing, Eshmun

The long cross, usually tilted to one side, is associated with Tyre (usually) and linked to the goddess Astarte; some have theorized that this cross really means the cross-staff, a tool used by ancient mariners to find their latitude when navigating.

Each letter of the Phoenician alphabet is also a word, so that "g" or "gimel" also means "camel"; "b" or "beth" means "house"etc. A simple message could be composed of just single letters.

There are many more symbols and numbers involved, too much to list in a single post, but just something to consider; the Phoenicians were very much prospectors and miners, and like the Spanish later, amassed great treasures. When their homelands were conquered, many of those treasures were never found.
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<Treasure of Carambolo>
Treasure of El Carambolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Phoenician alphabet
Phoenician Alphabet Origin
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<Punic alphabet is slightly different but very similar, and all of these are written right to left not left to right>

Good luck and good hunting amigos I hope I have not bored you with this, not sure how to tie in to the topic.
Oroblanco

Looks like they really liked to work silver. I can study this subject tirelessly.
Oro, Thank You Kindly Amigo, ~: Crosse De Sign :~

 

[Crosse De Sign]

With more pictures shown I now tend to believe that nature made the tunnel'. Man possibly utilized it later but Nature made it.

An example of Nature mimicking man go to the Amaru site

Jose

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Nice pic and comments Don Jose, Thanks Amigo

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Has anyone ever seen anything like this? Wagon hardware?
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[Oroblanco]

Well the ring with a hole in one side, is used for chain swivels, and for attaching chain snaps; same basic design has been in use for at least 2000 years so is tough to pin down. The other artifact I can not guess. Thank you for posting the pix!

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Well the ring with a hole in one side, is used for chain swivels, and for attaching chain snaps; same basic design has been in use for at least 2000 years so is tough to pin down. The other artifact I can not guess. Thank you for posting the pix!

Oro, Thanks for commenting on the iron pieces.

The stirrup shaped one with the hole on the flat end, was found about 4" deep,
atop a creek bank, where I found (detected) the round ring (wagon wheel?)
buried down in the rock and gravel creek bed by a small spring,
a previous hunting story I told.

I know there was early settler activity there, but never dug the flat ring up.
How long ago do you think chains were used?

The first two strap item, with 2 rivets and a small piece wire wrapped
around the end rivet, and worn looking holes on the other end, I spotted
laying aside a hole that had previously been dug by someone,
on top of where the hole in the wall entrance is.

Don't have a clue why that would have been left or been buried there,
other than maybe left by some visitor long ago, but who?
What was it used for? Can only speculate. Thanks.