Do the Stone Tablets lead to somewhere OTHER than the Superstition Mtns?

[sailaway]

roadrunner posted:
What does the Cobollo de Sante Fe look like?

I thought everyone who would be here on this thread would know being as they are the subject of conversation. The Mountain across from the Cliff Dwellings in Rogers Canyon have the shape of horses all over the Mountain in a east to west line, which I suspect goes all the way down to the Microscopic level. Any Geologist want to prove such a theory? How ever that being said what does the Sombrero look like?
the photo is from the other side but still shows the lines
That is the Clifff Dwellings in Rogers Canyon across from the stone horse that make up the Sombrero, The whole hillside looks like many Sombreros in a north to south line and I suspect that it is the same thing for this mountain and the Horse side. Need Geological proof from the Microscopic level. They both cross right where the Mina Virgon marker is on the south side of the mountain. Where the Sombrero and the Heart meets is the RIO del ORO ( River of Gold). I can remember seeing a old Black and white photo of the RIO del Oro (which looks exactly like mine only B-W) can anyone elaborate on the old investigation of the area?

 

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[UncleMatt]

I'm curious, were the none GE photos taken with a film camera and then scanned to digital form, or were they taken with a digital camera to begin with?

 

[UncleMatt]

I know how tough that burden can be deducer, so please feel free to call on me to remove any pesky, troublesome gold that finds its way into your clutches. After all, that's what friends are for! No need to thank me now.

Not all of us are after gold, especially in that a big find these days only leads to a lot of trouble and legal tussling, unless you have shady connections like Mike does!

Some of us just love the stories themselves, as they spark the imagination, and some of us, like myself, are history detectives trying to reconstruct what really happened, and that's a lot more interesting and intriguing.

 

[deducer]

I know how tough that burden can be deducer, so please feel free to call on me to remove any pesky, troublesome gold that finds its way into your clutches. After all, that's what friends are for! No need to thank me now.

I will gladly do so, not that there's any gold where I'm looking right now, though.

 

[sailaway]

UncleMatt posted:
I'm curious, were the none GE photos taken with a film camera and then scanned to digital form, or were they taken with a digital camera to begin with?

The actual photos were taken on a digital phone camera while I was on the Trail there in Rogers Canyon. Most of them are cropped to show the feature of the topic. Wish I had better quality Photos of the area but hope some of you will take an interest in that region and get some better quality photos as I am showing where to aim your camera. If you become a zillionair just remember who pointed the way. Here is the non Cropped photo:

 

[UncleMatt]

something is screwy with the new post notifications on this thread. It keeps indicating there are new posts, but when I come check there aren't...

 

[sailaway]

This is what a Geologist had to say about the area I have been showing you.

Angel Basin is a spectacular area that is traversed by Roger's Creek. Normally dry, the creek this year was a rushing torrent and John and I actually went swimming in the creek. I interpreted the rocks seen here as being part of a vent complex in the Superstition Mountain volcanic field. These rocks had dominant vertical orientations and the many dikes that we crossed along the way here were all oriented towards this center.

In a nearby alcove is the Roger's Canyon ruin, a Salado culture habitation site that was formally excavated in the 1920's and 1941. Although build well within an overhanging alcove, the ruin still had an enclosed roof from 700 years ago.

I have hiked down this stretch of canyon many times on previous trips. Note the shadowed wall on the right. These rocks are part of the vertical vent material that was part of the volcanic caldera. Note the horizontal ash flows illuminated in the sunlight in the center and left sides of the photo. These flows most likely made up the eastern slope of this 22 to 20 million year old volcano. It looks like the Roger's Creek drainage took advantage of the contact between these two deposits to establish its course.
Earthly Musings - Wayne Ranney's Geology Blog: March 2010

 

[deducer]

something is screwy with the new post notifications on this thread. It keeps indicating there are new posts, but when I come check there aren't...

Perhaps a result of original posts being re-edited? Or maybe someone posted and then deleted? I've done that a few times.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I checked and there is a member who has deleted 4 or 5 posts the last couple days....

 

[sailaway]

The World Heritage Centre is the focal point and coordinator within UNESCO for all matters related to World Heritage.
Tentative List Process
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In conformity with Committee Decision 7 EXT.COM 4A, once inscribed on the World Heritage List, properties are removed from the Tentative Lists of States Parties.
UNESCO World Heritage Centre - World Heritage List

NOTICE:
As a UNNGO Historic Preservation Officer, I intend to get Angel Basin, Rogers Canyon and Fish Creek Canyon, Superstition Mountains Wilderness Area, Tonto National Forest, Arizona, United States of America placed on the Tentative Lists as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

 

[somehiker]

NOTICE:
As a UNNGO Historic Preservation Officer, I intend to get Angel Basin, Rogers Canyon and Fish Creek Canyon, Superstition Mountains Wilderness Area, Tonto National Forest, Arizona, United States of America placed on the Tentative Lists as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

Tall order.....on what basis ?
As an NGO, the UNNGO and it's "officers" have no legal authority within the US.
But the ACHP does have some pull.
Probably easier to stick with drawing pictures of crazy horses and priests with skeleton keys on google stuff.
And what difference would it make to the rest of us

 

[UncleMatt]

LOL, when a UNESCO sign was placed at the entrance of Mesa Verde in the 1990's, many locals started freaking out thinking the UN had taken over the county. Some of them were my relatives! You can't make this stuff up!

 

[sailaway]

somehiker posted:
what difference would it make to the rest of us?

The rest of you have to answer that question. I am no mind reader. Getting the site on the Tentative Lists as a UNESCO World Heritage Site is my action, and the problems in doing so are all mine.(Tall Order or not) Why do you think there is no Legal authority for nominating to the UN a piece of property they can vote on to become a world recognized historic site? The USA is the founding country of the United Nations, New York, New York, and is the property within US boundaries? yes. Can the site be nominated for the list by a NGO? yes. There is your legal authority.

National Trust for Historic Preservation :
Kevin Gover of Washington, DC grew up in Lawton, Oklahoma and is a member of the Pawnee Tribe of Oklahoma. In 2007, Kevin was appointed as Director of the Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian. He began his career in Indian Affairs in 1975, working for the American Indian Policy Review Commission. Kevin was a specialist on the Task Force on Trust Responsibilities and the Federal Indian Relationship. In 1997, Kevin was appointed by President Clinton to serve as Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs in the Department of the Interior. He served in that position from 1997 to 2000, and was responsible for policy and operational oversight of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the agency responsible for the federal government’s relations with Indian tribes. In 2003, Kevin accepted an appointment as a Professor of Law at the Arizona State University College of Law, where he worked with the both the Indian Legal Program and American Indian Policy Institute, as well as teaching Administrative Law, Statutory Interpretation, Legal Writing, and a variety of courses in Federal Indian Law. Kevin’s career of advocacy has resulted in several honors, including an honorary degree from Princeton University, the Outstanding Alumni Award from the University of New Mexico School of Law, and the Alumni Association Award from St. Paul’s School in Concord, New Hampshire.

Think Mr. Gover has any interest in the area?

http://www.preservationnation.org/who-we-are/trustees.html
http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/55407.htm
http://www.achp.gov/

 

[somehiker]

No Idea if Mr. Gover would be interested in all those places or not. Why don't you send him your pictures and let us know how it goes ?
That's why I mentioned the ACHP.
But I doubt we will ever see any such designation from UNNGO or UNESCO for any part of the SUPs.
Wouldn't make any difference anyhow.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

Has there ever been any search for Arizona treasure or any known treasure or clues that were located on or near this line?

Curious, L.C.

 

[cactusjumper]

I doubt Dr. Glover would have much interest in what you are discussing. Can't speak for him, but I have serious doubts.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[somehiker]

I doubt Dr. Glover would have much interest in what you are discussing. Can't speak for him, but I have serious doubts.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

Different person Joe.
Kevin Gover is who sailaway is talking about....a native american advocate.
But you are right about Dr. Glover.

 

[Not Peralta]

L.C.BAKER, I would say that area has been covered good, long john latham covered it back in 60's for KGC treasure and then put a rock ranch in the area. np

 

[bobinsd]

Desert USA (Robert Baxa?) claims to know the location.

Lost Dutchman Mine Found? DesertUSA

Unfortunately, his logic regarding the intersecting lines from key locations and the location of the stones
is faulty at best, and obviously stupid at worst. Good try, Robert.

 

[deducer]

Desert USA (Robert Baxa?) claims to know the location.

Lost Dutchman Mine Found? DesertUSA

Unfortunately, his logic regarding the intersecting lines from key locations and the location of the stones
is faulty at best, and obviously stupid at worst. Good try, Robert.

Lost me with the very first sentence when he wrote: "Peralta Stone Maps."

But I wonder if that really is Travis's topo map? That is new to me.