Cricketts and Chipmunks??

[0121stockpicker]

Stockpicker, I just wanted to put this out there that I think you always have very good points to add to the conversation. Though often I disagree that is what discussion is for.

I appreciate that diesel. But you better watch out, you might get shunned or banned for speaking such blasphemy!!

 

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[mustangpalmer1911]

Drowning is the leading cause of death in children. Familys with children should not be allowed to have pools, any buckets larger than say 3 gallons, live withing one mile of a body of water, or bath tubs(standing showers only). That would eliminate the leading cause of death in children making them much safer.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Drowning is the leading cause of death in children. Familys with children should not be allowed to have pools, any buckets larger than say 3 gallons, live withing one mile of a body of water, or bath tubs(standing showers only). That would eliminate the leading cause of death in children making them much safer.

Actually most states / municipalities do have very specific laws around the placing of fencing around pools for just that reason. So that is a great example of regulation of safety for children. Good point.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Drowning is the leading cause of death in children. Familys with children should not be allowed to have pools, any buckets larger than say 3 gallons, live withing one mile of a body of water, or bath tubs(standing showers only). That would eliminate the leading cause of death in children making them much safer.

And feel free to start up another thread on children and water safety if you would like. An interesting topic but not sure it belongs in this section.

 

[mustangpalmer1911]

Actually most states / municipalities do have very specific laws around the placing of fencing around pools for just that reason. So that is a great example of regulation of safety for children. Good point.

Well that is all n well but what about bat tub drownings, infants in buckets, lakes, ponds, rivers.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Well that is all n well but what about bat tub drownings, infants in buckets, lakes, ponds, rivers.

Yup that's right. Again I would encourage you to start a thread on water safety to discuss the topic.

 

[packerbacker]

picker, there is regulations on allowing minors access to firearms, just like putting fences around pools. Problem is, you can't regulate stupidity no matter what Bloomberg thinks. My granddaughter got a Chipmunk 22 when she was 5 or 6. She has never shot anyone with it because she was ALWAYS under close supervision and the gun was locked up when not in use. She also had a tricycle but didn't ride it in the street. The reason she didn't ride it in the street is because she was SUPERVISED. She has been hunting with a shotgun since early teens and can shoot flying targets with the best of them. My grandson is now 11 but learned to shoot with a Chipmunk also. He can put every shot within a 2-inch circle at 25 yards with open sights. He hasn't shot anyone either and he does NOT have free access to the gun although he outgrew that gun a long time ago. I have another granddaughter that just turned 2. Guess what, I've already gotten her a bolt action, full-size 22, but SHE CAN'T SHOOT IT YET, even with supervision. Even I think 2 is too young.

 

[0121stockpicker]

picker, there is regulations on allowing minors access to firearms, just like putting fences around pools. Problem is, you can't regulate stupidity no matter what Bloomberg thinks. My granddaughter got a Chipmunk 22 when she was 5 or 6. She has never shot anyone with it because she was ALWAYS under close supervision and the gun was locked up when not in use. She also had a tricycle but didn't ride it in the street. The reason she didn't ride it in the street is because she was SUPERVISED. She has been hunting with a shotgun since early teens and can shoot flying targets with the best of them. My grandson is now 11 but learned to shoot with a Chipmunk also. He can put every shot within a 2-inch circle at 25 yards with open sights. He hasn't shot anyone either and he does NOT have free access to the gun although he outgrew that gun a long time ago. I have another granddaughter that just turned 2. Guess what, I've already gotten her a bolt action, full-size 22, but SHE CAN'T SHOOT IT YET, even with supervision. Even I think 2 is too young.

I think a gun is like a car in that it takes a level of maturity and responsibility to use. I do not believe a 5 year old fits the bill. Just as I would not put a five year old behind the wheel of a car even if supervised. A five year old does not really even understand the concept of death / mortality. Again, just my opinion. And I appreciate you sharing your. Best.

 

[0121stockpicker]

picker, there is regulations on allowing minors access to firearms, just like putting fences around pools. Problem is, you can't regulate stupidity no matter what Bloomberg thinks. My granddaughter got a Chipmunk 22 when she was 5 or 6. She has never shot anyone with it because she was ALWAYS under close supervision and the gun was locked up when not in use. She also had a tricycle but didn't ride it in the street. The reason she didn't ride it in the street is because she was SUPERVISED. She has been hunting with a shotgun since early teens and can shoot flying targets with the best of them. My grandson is now 11 but learned to shoot with a Chipmunk also. He can put every shot within a 2-inch circle at 25 yards with open sights. He hasn't shot anyone either and he does NOT have free access to the gun although he outgrew that gun a long time ago. I have another granddaughter that just turned 2. Guess what, I've already gotten her a bolt action, full-size 22, but SHE CAN'T SHOOT IT YET, even with supervision. Even I think 2 is too young.

We actually had a pretty famous case up here in MA where a father brought his very young son to an outdoor show. Father let the son shoot a fully auto Uzi and the rise on fully auto caused the little boy to shoot himself in the head killing him instantly. Was hotly debated whether charges should have been filed but there were no specific laws preventing him from doing so.

 

[packerbacker]

I know picker, there are tragic stories out there. You can come up with a sad story about everything in life. Thing is, you can't stop the world from turning because bad things happen. If you look again at the story of the 5-year old shooting his sibling. Fact is, the 5-year old cannot legally own a gun so technically it wasn't his. That gun could be any gun in the house and, even if the kid had never shot a gun before, he could have picked it up and killed someone. It was left loaded where the kid had access to it, PARENT'S FAULT. It's no different than having a bottle of medicine located where a child can get to it. It could maybe be the child's medicine but the parent has to regulate how it is dispensed. You don't ban the medicine because some dumba$$ parent let their kid get into it and overdose. Guns are just a popular target to vilify but ANY product or item can cause death if misused. A 5-year old can be taught how to take their medicine but you don't leave the bottle out for them to take it on their own. Try to look at it from that perspective and maybe you'll see my side. You may not agree, but you might understand me better.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I know picker, there are tragic stories out there. You can come up with a sad story about everything in life. Thing is, you can't stop the world from turning because bad things happen. If you look again at the story of the 5-year old shooting his sibling. Fact is, the 5-year old cannot legally own a gun so technically it wasn't his. That gun could be any gun in the house and, even if the kid had never shot a gun before, he could have picked it up and killed someone. It was left loaded where the kid had access to it, PARENT'S FAULT. It's no different than having a bottle of medicine located where a child can get to it. It could maybe be the child's medicine but the parent has to regulate how it is dispensed. You don't ban the medicine because some dumba$$ parent let their kid get into it and overdose. Guns are just a popular target to vilify but ANY product or item can cause death if misused. A 5-year old can be taught how to take their medicine but you don't leave the bottle out for them to take it on their own. Try to look at it from that perspective and maybe you'll see my side. You may not agree, but you might understand me better.

Right but the gun was made specifically for a child. That is my point on this post. Chipmunk, etc painted pink or blue?? They weapons are being marketed specifically for the use of little children.

And just because something is an "accident" doesn't mean we just chalk it up to bad luck and ignore it. That's why we have child car seats, that's why we have safer cribs and child strollers. And guns in the hands of very small children is just an accident waiting to happen - Russian roulette.

Obviously all this is simply my opinion.

 

[packerbacker]

They also make small, pink fishing poles for little girls. In my world that is no different than a small, pink 22 rifle for a little girl. They also make small, pink bicycles for little girls but they aren't supposed to ride them on the freeway. A gun is not a scary thing until it is misused. A loaded 22 in a house that can be accessed by a child is being misused. A loaded 22 in the hands of a child wearing hearing protection and safety glasses and under constant adult supervision is much safer than a kid swinging a golf club without supervision. They make and market golf clubs for kids. How old should a child be before they can shoot a bow and arrow? They do make and market them for kids you know? Throw a rock? Whittle with a knife? Ride a horse? It's the thought of it being a terrible gun that was involved that put it in the limelight.

 

[mustangpalmer1911]

They make little ATVs ..quads, RZRs, bikes that will carry my fat rear at 60+ mph. That is eaisly just as dangerous or more as a gun. Far more people are killed in motorized vehicles than with guns a year.

 

[Backbacon]

Back to the general topic of this Thread..... I personally believe that marketing guns towards small children is wrong, quite irresponsible, and moronic. All of us responsible gun owners on this site seem to agree that guns are not toys and should be respected. If you make something look like a toy then a child will associate the object as a toy IMOHO. The first time I saw one of these bad boys (LOL or I guess girls) I even thought it was a toy at first glance.... Food for thought.

 

[Bum Luck]

Back to the general topic of this Thread..... I personally believe that marketing guns towards small children is wrong, quite irresponsible, and moronic. All of us responsible gun owners on this site seem to agree that guns are not toys and should be respected. If you make something look like a toy then a child will associate the object as a toy IMOHO. The first time I saw on of these bad boys (LOL or I guess girls) I even thought it was a toy at first glance.... Food for thought.
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[0121stockpicker]

They make little ATVs ..quads, RZRs, bikes that will carry my fat rear at 60+ mph. That is eaisly just as dangerous or more as a gun. Far more people are killed in motorized vehicles than with guns a year.

I am definitely no saying that you as an adult should not have a gun. I am talking about 5 year olds - ie very young children. And yes I would be against that 5 year old driving an atv at 60mph also. I guess in over protective or something. Wouldn't think there would be much debate. But it's interesting, I value everyone's point of view even if I don't agree.

 

[GMD52]

I for one don't believe in toy guns and the marketing of such to children. I have owned and fired firearms since I was 8 years old. I have never had a toy gun, and only got my first BB gun about 10 years ago for varmint control. I was brought up in a house, and hunting camp where the guns were always loaded and secured,and you did not under any circumstances touch them or think of using them except for their express purposes. This training and upbringing has now been lost, and kids learn the ways of the gun from TV, and video games, and not from experienced family members and mentor's. By the way, never once have we experience an incident or accident, and when I shot competetivly, I expended 45-50k rounds per summer shooting season.

It is also a sign of the times that few are brought up as I and I suspect other's on this forum have, but if we keep trying to educate and train, perhaps we can return to a time when senseless, and stupid accidents occur. Every firearm accident just fuels the anti's arguments, they dont't look to educate, they only look to irradicate a piece of machinery that they don't understand. We don't need to argue among ourselves, but reach out and intelligently open a discourse with those that want our way of life to cease.

 

[0121stockpicker]

They also make small, pink fishing poles for little girls. In my world that is no different than a small, pink 22 rifle for a little girl. They also make small, pink bicycles for little girls but they aren't supposed to ride them on the freeway. A gun is not a scary thing until it is misused. A loaded 22 in a house that can be accessed by a child is being misused. A loaded 22 in the hands of a child wearing hearing protection and safety glasses and under constant adult supervision is much safer than a kid swinging a golf club without supervision. They make and market golf clubs for kids. How old should a child be before they can shoot a bow and arrow? They do make and market them for kids you know? Throw a rock? Whittle with a knife? Ride a horse? It's the thought of it being a terrible gun that was involved that put it in the limelight.

I wouldn't think there would be much debate about the lethality of guns with someone familiar with them. I guess our military and LEOs have had it all wrong for the last couple hundred years and should go back to bow and arrows and swords as they are just as lethal according to you??. I hear the are equipping special marine squads with big Bertha golf clubs?!?! No offense but the "gun is no more dangerous than anything else" is completely foolish and counterproductive. One needs to now the lethality of a weapon and respect it - not pretentious that it is not dangerous. Come on.

 

[Bum Luck]

I for one don't believe in toy guns and the marketing of such to children. I have owned and fired firearms since I was 8 years old. I have never had a toy gun, and only got my first BB gun about 10 years ago for varmint control. I was brought up in a house, and hunting camp where the guns were always loaded and secured,and you did not under any circumstances touch them or think of using them except for their express purposes. This training and upbringing has now been lost, and kids learn the ways of the gun from TV, and video games, and not from experienced family members and mentor's. By the way, never once have we experience an incident or accident, and when I shot competetivly, I expended 45-50k rounds per summer shooting season.

It is also a sign of the times that few are brought up as I and I suspect other's on this forum have, but if we keep trying to educate and train, perhaps we can return to a time when senseless, and stupid accidents occur. Every firearm accident just fuels the anti's arguments, they dont't look to educate, they only look to irradicate a piece of machinery that they don't understand. We don't need to argue among ourselves, but reach out and intelligently open a discourse with those that want our way of life to cease.

I was brought u[ in similar circumstances. My dad's guns weren't loaded, but we knew better than to touch them without permission. I had a 410 at 8, and a 22 at 12 when I was more mature.

I want to say though that we (kids) had many near misses and outright idiocies, including shooting arrows into the air to completely disappear and then come down as close as possible to us. Cripes. Some were outright accidents though.

I'd like to think I've learned from that when raising my kids.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I remember my grandparent had those "lawn darts" / jarts things. I'm shocked that one didnt end up through my skull. And guess what, they took those off the market.