Cricketts and Chipmunks??

[Native Floridian]

That means he had 4 years to learn to shoot in a safe, controlled environment beginning at age 22. Men are drafted at age 18 and get very little range training before they are dropped into a combat situation. Not surrounding one guy in a house with 100 other officers with guns, tear gas and robots. Please. I'm sure you are very proud of your son but there is a big difference between the battlefield and the nutjob barricaded in a house. Too bad we can't train our soldiers for 4 years before we expose them to combat.

Packer, to your point, we don't need four years of training to make excellent marksman. Nor does starting these kids at age 5 make a difference. There were guys competing against my son with many many more years of experience. You hit on it. Training! Expert training! Not someone, however well intentioned teaching him to shoot in the back yard. He had no bad habits to overcome. Nothing ingrained from years of doing it wrong, or at least not quite right.

And about that nutjob barricaded in a house, if they are using someone as a human shield, he can still take the shot. So, not the cakewalk you make it out to be.

 

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[worldtalker]

Not much of a Jeff Foxworthy fan, huh?

By defintion, no one here is a redneck. Anyone who can afford to own a computer and be connected to the internet is too wealthy to be a redneck.

I lived in the Great Smokey's for six years,I was a damn Yankee for 3 of those 6,I met the nicest folks in them Mountains once we got to know each other,my Friend Jim told me you're a redneck now!

 

[Red James Cash]

Call me a redneck any day but, these days, don't call me a union member.

Yup,things changed quite a bit havent they.

 

[dieselram94]

NF, do you realize that people don't take kindly to being told they shouldn't/can't teach their kids to shoot?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Minneapolis elementary student brings gun to school in backpack
A gun was discharged in a student's backpack outside of Minneapolis elementary school.

An investigation is underway after a gun went off in the backpack of an elementary school student.
Bethune Community School is a pre-K through fifth grade school. On Tuesday just before students were dismissed for the day a gun was accidentally discharged from inside a student's backpack but no one was injured, according district spokesperson Rachel Hicks.
Neither Hicks nor Minneapolis police could say how the student got the gun or how it went off.
Hicks said the district has a strict policy when it comes to weapons in schools. She could not comment directly about the student's discipline citing data privacy laws but in a written statement Hicks wrote:
"Weapons of any kind are strictly prohibited on school property...although Federal Law requires us to recommend expulsion in all cases of a student possessing a gun at schools...the superintendent can and regularly does use discretion in recommending appropriate disciplinary action."
Police spokesperson Cyndi Barrington said the student is too young to be charged with a crime but their investigation continues.

 

[Native Floridian]

None of that changes the fact it is each parents right to decide what their child can and can't do and when they can do it within the boundary of the law....

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Each parent does have that right. TH, you mention the law. One example of the law is having to have your five year old in a child seat. In most states that seat has to be in the back seat or if no back seat, the passenger side airbag has to be disabled. Most cars today come with that feature.

This being the case, the state is doing everything it can to protect the kids. Does it make sense to put that five year old at the controls of a vehicle with proven poor safety record? A vehicle with that in terms of safety is much more dangerous than a car?

That just doesn't make sense to me.

I agree it is the parent's decision. How smart? For the year after Tage died we could have asked his father.

 

[0121stockpicker]

2 year old North Carolina boy shoots self in the mouth with father's gun It's happened again. A two year old boy found a gun in his North Carolina home and shot himself in the mouth. He is still alive but with injuries: The shooting happened around lunchtime at 711 Spring Valley Road just outside Asheboro city limits. The boy suffered serious but not life-threatening injuries, and his condition is improving at Brenner Children's Hospital, Randolph County deputies said. The boy broke a mandible bone in his jaw. Capt. Derrick Hill said it was a miracle the shot missed vital blood vessels and the spinal column. The boy was alone in his parents' bedroom when picked up an improperly locked .45-caliber pistol, deputies said. The boy put the gun in his mouth while playing with it and pulled the trigger. The boy's parents and siblings were home at the time of the shooting, and his father rushed him to Randolph Hospital, deputies said. Deputies identified the boy's parents as Jose Palencia and Agelica Rameriez, both of Asheboro. Charges are pending in the case, and the investigation was still ongoing as of Monday afternoon, Hill said.

 

[dieselram94]

Examples can be found for both sides of an argument/ debate. A overbearing govt is just plain bad. As a parent I am more interested than anyone about my child"s well being. No agency or regulation can ever be as involved as I am.

 

[worldtalker]

Examples can be found for both sides of an argument/ debate. A overbearing govt is just plain bad. As a parent I am more interested than anyone about my child"s well being. No agency or regulation can ever be as involved as I am.

As it should be!

 

[0121stockpicker]

Examples can be found for both sides of an argument/ debate. A overbearing govt is just plain bad. As a parent I am more interested than anyone about my child"s well being. No agency or regulation can ever be as involved as I am.

And what about those parents who are NOT interested or able to look after a child's well being?? Who protects that child's basic human rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? A child has their OWN rights completely independent of their parent(s).

 

[dieselram94]

And what about those parents who are NOT interested or able to look after a child's well being?? Who protects that child's basic human rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? A child has their OWN rights completely independent of their parent(s).

Picker, you bring up a very small minority of kids, should the rest of us pay a price because of this?

 

[Dave44]

And what about those parents who are NOT interested or able to look after a child's well being?? Who protects that child's basic human rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? A child has their OWN rights completely independent of their parent(s).

Shouldn't those "parents" be sterilized? They are no longer sentient beings, rather they are more like sea turtles.Guess they should fill out a form after they have shown themselves to be uninterested.

Is this a large portion of the US picker? is it the normal way to parent? Or is this another lesson in critical thinking by using a infinitesimal percentage to improve your argument?

 

[0121stockpicker]

Picker, you bring up a very small minority of kids, should the rest of us pay a price because of this?

Having an aunt, sister and brother in law who are all social workers I will tell you that it is not as small of a population as you might think.

Yes beyond just incompetent parents I think I would ask should there be a minimum age at which children are allowed to shoot guns. Just like the minimum age to drive?

 

[0121stockpicker]

I'd be curious if people think that the age at one can drive a car is the government overstepping its bounds?

 

[mustangpalmer1911]

And what about those parents who are NOT interested or able to look after a child's well being?? Who protects that child's basic human rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? A child has their OWN rights completely independent of their parent(s).

In the perfect world they would reevaluate their lives and realize family is eveything not owning a $500000 house, 3 new cars, or doing drugs, going to the bar what ever they are doing and be parents. That is not a reason to put regulations on the rest of us though.

 

[0121stockpicker]

In the perfect world they would reevaluate their lives and realize family is eveything not owning a $500000 house, 3 new cars, or doing drugs, going to the bar what ever they are doing and be parents. That is not a reason to put regulations on the rest of us though.

Isn't protecting a child's life a good reason to have laws/regulations? Do you think it is wrong that children are required by law to be in car seats for their safety?

 

[dieselram94]

Having an aunt, sister and brother in law who are all social workers I will tell you that it is not as small of a population as you might think.

Yes beyond just incompetent parents I think I would ask should there be a minimum age at which children are allowed to shoot guns. Just like the minimum age to drive?

Even if there was a minimum age. Do you really think people would follow it?

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[mustangpalmer1911]

Isn't protecting a child's life a good reason to have laws/regulations? Do you think it is wrong that children are required by law to be in car seats for their safety?

And most of those laws a babble now. Its what till a child is 75 lbs or something like that they should be in a seat. I would have been in a child seat till about 8th or 9th grade. I weighed 117 lbs when I graduated. Then there is the school bus children need to be in child seats, or where seat belts except when you pile 75 of them on a bus. Yes safety seats are a good thing but like 95% of laws they dont make much sense.

 

[Native Floridian]

Examples can be found for both sides of an argument/ debate. A overbearing govt is just plain bad. As a parent I am more interested than anyone about my child"s well being. No agency or regulation can ever be as involved as I am.

Really?

I coached little league for more years than i can remember. Wanna know the thing about six year olds? Their reflexes are so undeveloped that we can't put them on anything other than a T ball team. That is where the ball is put on a T and they swing at it. Skills are developed from that point. It is too dangerous to pitch a live ball at them. Their reaction times, and coordination just aren't there.

Yet, it's OK to put these same six year olds at the controls of a "fast" ATV? They are perfectly safe in doing that! Cut me a break!

 

[0121stockpicker]

Really?

I coached little league for more years than i can remember. Wanna know the thing about six year olds? Their reflexes are so undeveloped that we can't put them on anything other than a T ball team. That is where the ball is put on a T and they swing at it. Skills are developed from that point. It is too dangerous to pitch a live ball at them. Their reaction times, and coordination just aren't there.

Yet, it's OK to put these same six year olds at the controls of a "fast" ATV? They are perfectly safe in doing that! Cut me a break!

I just don't think people have a good handle on how both mental and physical abilities change with age. And I'm sure ill get yelled at but I also have no problem making a 100 year old pass a rigorous drivers test to keep there license. -- though I'm sure plenty will point out wonderful examples of the very elderly that are totally with it and strong as an ox etc etc.

Should someone with diagnosed Alzheimer's be able to own a gun??