COIN EXPERT NEEDED - Coral encrusted coins!!!!

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posted this on TODAYS FINDS as I was excited!

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/355763-does-coral-beep-yes-when-its-full-coins.html


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can anyone identify??

thanks!!!
 

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Its BANNER Time!!!!!

Thanks all!!

Update;

still in salt water
dremal locked away & out of reach
have contacted SEDWICK & FISHER IN Fl

Will update when I have news....... or more coins!!!
 

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Mackaydon said:
Does the view from the bottom of the stack give any further indication of the coins' ID?
Can you post a pic of the 'bottom'?
Don....
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WOW just noticed - two smaller coins underneath, cant see the markings though!!

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Shipwreck coins tend to be worth more than other coins of the exact same type just for the sheer mystique of having been lost at sea. I would leave that clump as is even though I know it's got to be hard to keep the curiosity from making you crack it open. I'd have to go back to that area again, I'll bet there's a lot more to be found there, maybe out a bit deeper.....
 

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koolaidsmile said:
It is advertised on quite a few sites as a Spanish reale cob coin. Some of them are very round! I think it all depends on how they cut the slab off. And thankyou!!

Kathy (koolaidsmile) :-)
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Nope they are not that round and they dont have those milled marks around the edges.

Kathy Im sorry but none of the coins are Spanish cobs. Show me a matching pic please of a perfectly round cob with these markings? You wont find one. Cobs were crudely cut by hand to a proper weight with a chisel from a slab of silver.

But you are correct they are Spanish coins and Reales are the denomination. Just dont use the word cob.

Spanish Reale= YES

Spanish cob = NO

Spanish Reale cob= NO

Spanish Reale cob coin= NO

I hope this helps explain. Here is a cob I found in Florida years ago.
 

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Without Shipwreck provenance I would take some great pictures, then research the best way to separate them, and do it. I'd then put them in a nice frame surrounding a pic of what they looked like together.
 

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There is a crown on that bottom coin. The shipwreck may not necessarily be Spanish.
 

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You have coins of three denominations. If the bottom coin is Spanish (Mexico) it is a 1/2 real coin if 17 mm in diameter or 20 mm if a 1R coin. If the bottom coin is 28 mm in diameter, it's a 2R; or, if 34 mm its a 4R. If 40mm (for the largest coin) then its an 8R coin. Under no circumstance would i bust up that stack of coins. Collectors will pay a premium for such items; partially because of their 'beauty' and partially because of the 'unknown factor'.
Don........
PS: The crown is present on Spanish coins in that position during the reign of (at least) Felipe V.
 

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The more I examine this stack, the more I become convinced they are Spanish; the larger ones were minted during the reign of Felipe V. Coins of that vintage had the legend (in part) as follows: PHILIPPVS* V*DEI.....Note the similarity between what I just typed and the visible legend on the large coin: Identical.
One or more posts on this thread also mentioned that cobs were not round. For the most part, that comment is correct; however, there were special cobs trimmed to near perfect round appearance--called 'Royals' or Presentation Pieces--and this includes presentation pieces from the reign of Felipe V. They carry an immense premium over 'ordinary' cobs. I'm not saying this is a stack of Royals, but wouldn't that be fantastic if they were.
Don........
 

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Mackaydon I know you are great with coins, Can you post a picture of the bottom coin with the crown? There is no doubt that at least several of the coins are Spanish but it may not neccesarily be a Spanish shipwreck. It could be a pirate stash.
 

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Bigcypresshunter said:
Mackaydon I know you are great with coins, Can you post a picture of the bottom coin with the crown? There is no doubt that at least several of the coins are Spanish but it may not neccesarily be a Spanish shipwreck. It could be a pirate stash.
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Will try to expose the crown ever so slightly and post a pic
 

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As far as breaking up and separating the coins, I would take the side of leaving them as they are. In antique and art restoration, the first rule is never do anything that cannot be undone. Separating them is a final act. You can't ever put them back together again.
 

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round Spanish coins by their very shape are not cobs * cobo means "end" in "spanish"== cob as in * cut off the end of silver bars of proper silver % , then trimmed to proper weight for its value and hand stamped with dies -- round coins are "machine made" and thus while they are Spanish "treasure coins" yes t they are not cobs --cob's are the older coins made before the mid 1730''s "machine made" era started --their uniform round shape tells you they were made in the machine minted coin era .--sorry koolaidsmile but you are wrong on this one , but we all live and learn .

the only "round cobs" known of are "special" royal pieces * made expressly for the king of spain , they are extremely rare beyond belief * and fetch massive prices -- these appear to be machine made Spanish "round" coins of varying values and is a very cool find -- maybe a old seaman's leather money bag had the coins in it and when the vessel wrecked it dropped in upon the coral and in time the leather bag rotted away and the coins became a "pocket spill mass"

needless to say I would be checking out that area very very carefully --you might have a shipwreck site nearby or a battle area were soldier fought iindains or such -- you say the british were in the area --that's 1763 to 1783 era -(def machine made coin era) -Spanish silver was commonly used as money by all in florida in the old days


the king phillip the V ruled from 1700 thru 1746 --except for a brief time in 1724 when his son reigned -- the cob coin era end in the 1730's --and machine made coins became the normal coin --so were looking at some time after mid 1730's if its a ship wreck since all the coins are machine made however since its got king phillip on it his reign ended in 1746 * (althougn coins from his reign can be found at a later date in "pocket change" clearly) so thinking mid 1730's to maybe 1750 era? for the loss event
 

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Yep thats the crown I see. Like Ivan said, they may be Spanish coins but it doesnt necesarily mean a Spanish shipwreck.

I thought of the pouch theory but it would have to be a tight fitting pouch to keep coins stacked like that. Some poor soul may have tied pouches stacked with silver around his waist and jumped overboard when the ship hit the reef. May have even drowned from the extra weight. Lots of different scenarios.
 

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