CODEBREAKER COMMENTS ABOUT BEALE CIPHERS

[ECS]

I'm not talking about 1885, but 1817-1822. Remember those parties who remain unidentified? How could it be that a party of men existed, yet today are unidentified. We have no idea who they were...

How do you or anyone else for that matter, know if these unidentified parties ever existed? Where does that information originate if there are no records?
Legend and lore are not acceptable as fact- its like that Texas iron mine story put out as a press release by the Bessemer Company to attract investors.

 

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[Old Silver]

How do you or anyone else for that matter, know if these unidentified parties ever existed? Where does that information originate if there are no records?
Legend and lore are not acceptable as fact- its like that Texas iron mine story put out as a press release by the Bessemer Company to attract investors.

There are records of parties that are not named. I'll leave the lore to you, since you seem to be pretty good at it.

Besides, I was not talking to you, so please stop pestering me.

 

[ECS]

Here we go again. It is an open forum, Old Silver, and as OP of this thread, all are welcome, including you.

 

[Old Silver]

Here we go again. It is an open forum, Old Silver, and as OP of this thread, all are welcome, including you.

Then why go crying to Jeff everytime you get offended in my posts, saying I follow you around, etc?

 

[Old Silver]

Here is one party that existed, but was unnamed. And there were others.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/beale-codes/499666-who-were-they.html

 

[ECS]

There are several reasons why the Beale Story can not be true but there is not one good reason with documented proof to prove that the story actually happened...

... This makes the work nothing but "FICTION"

There are hundreds of other reasons. Such as the iron box missing, TJB's letters missing, C1, C2 and C3 code papers missing, the author's name missing, a copy of the Job Print Pamphlet at the Library of Congress missing, no newspaper listing any of the party traveling to and from Sante Fe, no newspaper article of the 30 party associates missing or presumed dead. The list goes on and on and on. No records in the Spanish Archives of the party of 30 coming into Sante Fe, staying in Sante Fe, leaving Sante Fe or returning purchasing mining supplies. The story was for profit not for a real treasure.

Franklin, this is what many fail or refuse to realize.
They always go to the could have maybe references of unidentified parties, lost mines, tales of Indian massacres, anything that can keep up the hope that the Beale treasure is real, but NOTHING that can be directly connected to the "perilous adventure" narrative in the Beale Papers is ever brought forth.
Its always "no proof that it happened or no proof that it didn't happen" while missing the very basic point of NO PROOF.
On another thread, those involved with the creation, copyrighting, printing, publishing, advertising, and sale have been discussed in detail, and yes the original motive appears to have been a dime novel with play along ciphers for profit.
50 cents was a hefty price in 1885, but copies were withdrawn from sale due to three families objection to their ancestors names being used in the job pamphlet.
A second edition could have been printed with those family names removed if this was a true treasure story and the unknown author wanted to get the word out for his own known reason, but, alas, that never happened, and the whole episode would have been forgotten if not for N H Hazelwood getting the Hart's involved with sheets of ciphers.

 

[Old Silver]

Unless you can name the party in the above link, with proof, then you have lost this argument. So, who were they?

 

[ECS]

Well as discussed on that linked thread provided by you, we know it as not the Beale Party, and Franklin provided the information on who they were.
PS- It seems that you are the one who likes to engage in useless repetitive arguments that most here find highly amusing.

 

[Old Silver]

The point is, a party can exist and yet be unnamed. And where is the proof of who they were? They were mentioned in historical documents and yet were not named. No one can deny that.

 

[ECS]

Then why go crying to Jeff everytime you get offended in my posts, saying I follow you around, etc?

Why don't you elaborate on this post, I'm sure many will find it interesting.

 

[Old Silver]

Well as discussed on that linked thread provided by you, we know it as not the Beale Party, and Franklin provided the information on who they were.
PS- It seems that you are the one who likes to engage in useless repetitive arguments that most here find highly amusing.

So you now agree with Franklin? So are we to understand that you now believe that Benjamin Cooper was the guide of the Beale party? Franklin said that's what he believes.

 

[ECS]

Then why go crying to Jeff everytime you get offended in my posts, saying I follow you around, etc?

Waiting!

 

[Old Silver]

How do you or anyone else for that matter, know if these unidentified parties ever existed? Where does that information originate if there are no records?
Legend and lore are not acceptable as fact- its like that Texas iron mine story put out as a press release by the Bessemer Company to attract investors.

This sums up what you are about. First you ask how we know that unidentified parties existed, and you ask if there are records of such. Then I show proof of it. You also said Legend and lore are not acceptable as fact. I showed a historical document as proof, but still you can't accept what even yourself asked for. I showed it, that's all I can do.

 

[Old Silver]

True they were not called the "Beale Party" They were called the "Benjamin Cooper Party" for their guide and his two nephews, Braxton and Stephen.

ECS, are you sure this is what you believe?

 

[jeff of pa]

Then why go crying to Jeff everytime you get offended in my posts, saying I follow you around, etc?

Children by Nice !!!!

or no Cookies & milk before Bed Tonight !!!

stay on topic !!!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Both were sent to their rooms till they can play nice.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Both were sent to their rooms till they can play nice.

LOL!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Had to go back to the OP, to get my "bearing" (direction to go)... PROS stated the BC 1 & 3 were "questionable". One said the "BT" story was a HOAX... SO! I do think BC 1 & 3 are RUSES, and USELESS. BC # 2 (DOI by TJ), seems to be an "INDIRECT" "Broadside" (POSTER) aimed at "King" Abe Lincoln, during the CONFEDERATE WAR by Southern "force(s)", as a REMINDER for the reason for the CW (States Rights... it was ALSO called the 2nd War for/of INDEPENDENCE). I also think the so called decoded section from the DOI was just a "write-in" for Co. I, Campbell County Rangers to help bury something... MORE later.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Co. I was one of the Units serving under Gen. T.T. Munford; they NEVER surrendered at Appomattox, Va.; came back to Lynchburg, Va. & disbanded in today's Miller Park. A statue is on the very spot where they were organized/disbanded; Gen. T.T. Munford "retired" to his farm in Bedford County on Coffee Road; a long & winding Road... BEAUTIFUL country! BTW, Coffee Road was ALSO used by Thomas Jefferson, getting to his Poplar Forest Retreat... FACTS of HISTORY!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I will "focus" SOON, on the "decoded" section from BC # 2...