CLUES TO THE LOST DUTCMAN MINE

[sgtfda]

Frank,

Who are you asking?

Good luck,

Joe

Would like your opinion

 

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[cactusjumper]

Frank,

My opinion is the same as Bob Corbin's. He believes one of her principle sources made up many of his "facts". That is why he removed as many copies from the shelves as he could. Helen also had a lot of good information, but it's not easy to figure out which is which. I would not recommend the book, although I have in the past.........Sorry for that.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[sgtfda]

Frank,

My opinion is the same as Bob Corbin's. He believes one of her principle sources made up many of his "facts". That is why he removed as many copies from the shelves as he could. Helen also had a lot of good information, but it's not easy to figure out which is which. I would not recommend the book, although I have in the past.........Sorry for that.

Good luck,

Joe

I'm not taking about the bible. Same same for the other one?

 

[Oroblanco]

Any opinion on Helen Corbin's book

The curse of the Dutchmans gold

I don't know if you care to hear other opinions besides Joe's, but in my opinion this is among the best if not the best of the modern books on the Lost Dutchman. I asked Bob C directly about this, if it had the same taint of a lying source that resulted in the 'bible' and he said no, this book was written before that source got into the act. It is basically a re-telling of the Sims Ely book of course, but brought up to date (to publication date) and includes important affidavits in the back of the book along with the notated map used by Bob C.

As to our skeptics whom will not search for the LDM, you will miss out on a great experience, something you can tell the grandkids about. It is your loss if you won't even try it, and we only get one shot at this life.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[flyadive]

FYI
State Sen. Donald Norcross (D-Audubon) said prosecutors have been asking for the law, to help them punish people who threaten others on social media sites. “This bill closes a loophole that prevents prosecution when minors are harassed by adults or other minors,” said Norcross. “The laws that are here today will apply online so you can no longer hide behind a name on a computer.” Under the bill, a person will have committed a crime of cyber-harassment if, while online using any electronic device or social networking site, that person: threatens to injure or harm a person or that person’s property; knowingly sends or posts any lewd, indecent or obscene material to or about a person with the intent to emotionally harm a person or place a person in fear of physical or emotional harm; or threatens to commit a crime against a person or his or her property. The bill would make cyber-harassment a fourth degree crime punishable by up to 18 months imprisonment, a fine of up to $10,000, or both. If the offender is over age 21 at the time of the offense and impersonates a minor for the purpose of harassing another minor, it would be a crime of the third degree, punishable by three to five years imprisonment, a fine of up to $15,000, or both. “It used be if two kids were having an argument on a playground, it pretty much stayed there or within a small group,” said Norcross. “Once things go online, email is forever. Emails don’t disappear.” If a minor under age 16 is convicted of cyber-harassment, the court may order that the minor, accompanied by his or her parent or guardian, satisfactorily complete one or both of the following: a class or training program intended to reduce the tendency toward cyber-harassment behavior, or; a class or training program intended to bring awareness to the dangers associated with cyber-harassment. If a parent or guardian fails to accompany his or her child to the class or training program, that parent or guardian would be guilty of a disorderly persons offense, punishable by a $25 minimum fine. “An increasing number of students are reporting having been the victim of online harassment, and in too many cases the torment these children have been forced to endure has led to suicide attempts or worse,” said state Sen. Nick Sacco (D-North Bergen), another co-sponsor. “This bill will make sure that our laws specifically address this conduct, and that law enforcement officials have the tools necessary to prosecute individuals who participate in cyber-harassment. Hopefully, this will make children, as well as adults, think twice about their online behavior.”

 

[Springfield]

... As to our skeptics whom will not search for the LDM, you will miss out on a great experience, something you can tell the grandkids about. It is your loss if you won't even try it, and we only get one shot at this life...

At the risk of being convicted of harassment or cyber crime, I guess all I can do is cheer you on in your quest Oro. And I thought this was a forum, not a blog. Anyway, don't fret about lost opportunities on my part - I had a twenty year great experience chasing a dream 204.20 miles@102.24 degrees from Weavers Needle. How's that for a specific clue?

Markmar - IMO, you are on target with your recent statement, "... jump down and leave your treasure hunter spirit to leads you to the mine . Don't forget how the Luck helps the brave ..." In matters such as these, you are chosen - you don't choose. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[vor]

FYI
State Sen. Donald Norcross (D-Audubon) said prosecutors have been asking for the law, to help them punish people who threaten others on social media sites. “This bill closes a loophole that prevents prosecution when minors are harassed by adults or other minors,” said Norcross. “The laws that are here today will apply online so you can no longer hide behind a name on a computer.” Under the bill, a person will have committed a crime of cyber-harassment if, while online using any electronic device or social networking site, that person: threatens to injure or harm a person or that person’s property; knowingly sends or posts any lewd, indecent or obscene material to or about a person with the intent to emotionally harm a person or place a person in fear of physical or emotional harm; or threatens to commit a crime against a person or his or her property. The bill would make cyber-harassment a fourth degree crime punishable by up to 18 months imprisonment, a fine of up to $10,000, or both. If the offender is over age 21 at the time of the offense and impersonates a minor for the purpose of harassing another minor, it would be a crime of the third degree, punishable by three to five years imprisonment, a fine of up to $15,000, or both. “It used be if two kids were having an argument on a playground, it pretty much stayed there or within a small group,” said Norcross. “Once things go online, email is forever. Emails don’t disappear.” If a minor under age 16 is convicted of cyber-harassment, the court may order that the minor, accompanied by his or her parent or guardian, satisfactorily complete one or both of the following: a class or training program intended to reduce the tendency toward cyber-harassment behavior, or; a class or training program intended to bring awareness to the dangers associated with cyber-harassment. If a parent or guardian fails to accompany his or her child to the class or training program, that parent or guardian would be guilty of a disorderly persons offense, punishable by a $25 minimum fine. “An increasing number of students are reporting having been the victim of online harassment, and in too many cases the torment these children have been forced to endure has led to suicide attempts or worse,” said state Sen. Nick Sacco (D-North Bergen), another co-sponsor. “This bill will make sure that our laws specifically address this conduct, and that law enforcement officials have the tools necessary to prosecute individuals who participate in cyber-harassment. Hopefully, this will make children, as well as adults, think twice about their online behavior.”

Hello Fly
Didn't know you followed this forum.
What's your point? More government tracking?
V

 

[Cubfan64]

At the risk of being convicted of harassment or cyber crime, I guess all I can do is cheer you on in your quest Oro. And I thought this was a forum, not a blog. Anyway, don't fret about lost opportunities on my part - I had a twenty year great experience chasing a dream 204.20 miles@102.24 degrees from Weavers Needle. How's that for a specific clue?

Markmar - IMO, you are on target with your recent statement, "... jump down and leave your treasure hunter spirit to leads you to the mine . Don't forget how the Luck helps the brave ..." In matters such as these, you are chosen - you don't choose. Of course, I could be wrong.

Springfield - in the "FWIW category. You're an excellent example of someone who has a healthy skepticism surround the Lost Dutchman Mine, and (correct me if I'm wrong) if push came to shove you would say it does not exist. With that said, you've always been respectful in the way you challenge many of the other folks' opinions here, and make many of us dig deeper into things we thought we already knew and at the very least help us think outside the box and maybe even rethink some of our theories.

Speaking for myself, you're a welcome voice even when I don't agree with you It gets counterproductive when people come on the forum with no other purpose than to "stir the pot" and look for a fight. It would be similar to an atheist going to a bible study class with no other purpose than to argue and ridicule.

And now... back to our regular programming...

 

[sgtfda]

Roy I value your opinion on these issues. The book is in our club library and I'm reading it. Interesting.

 

[cactusjumper]

I'm not taking about the bible. Same same for the other one?

Sorry Frank, I'm not so sharp anymore. I like Helen's "Curse....." book a lot. She was really a good writer. I have two other books by her. I would definitely recommend any of her earlier books that I have read.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

Springfield wrote

At the risk of being convicted of harassment or cyber crime, I guess all I can do is cheer you on in your quest Oro. And I thought this was a forum, not a blog. Anyway, don't fret about lost opportunities on my part - I had a twenty year great experience chasing a dream 204.20 miles@102.24 degrees from Weavers Needle. How's that for a specific clue?

I don't think you would fall into the same category as the skeptics who will NEVER (and never have) look for a lost treasure or mine amigo. We have had some people show up in the forum recently with an axe to grind, whom will never look. At least that is what we are supposed to believe. In your case, if you were shown a photo of the LDM mine, with loads of visible gold showing, I would bet you might be willing to consider a short trip west from home to spend a few days helping to extract some? Anyway ditto to the statements of Cubfan, concerning you. The folks with the agendas are the people I feel sorry for.

I would say that is a pretty specific clue BTW.
Roy

 

[Springfield]

... In your case, if you were shown a photo of the LDM mine, with loads of visible gold showing, I would bet you might be willing to consider a short trip west from home to spend a few days helping to extract some?...

Ha ha. That annoyance you would feel on your backside as we were climbing the hill would be my crowbar jabbing you in an effort to speed you up! "Hurry - are we there yet?"

 

[markmar]

Springfield

You wrote : " IMO, you are on target with your recent statement, "... jump down and leave your treasure hunter spirit to leads you to the mine . Don't forget how the Luck helps the brave ..." In matters such as these, you are chosen - you don't choose. Of course, I could be wrong. "

You choose if you want to be chosen . The Greek version .

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Marius: you posted --> you are chosen - you don't choose.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Precisely how I feel about my project, Tayopa

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[sgtfda]

The biggest clue is the LDM motto

Don't tell it's a secret!

 

[393stroker]

AUDIO; Bob Willis:Seeking the Dutchman`s lost treasure...https://archive.org/details/BobWillisSeekingTheDutchmansLostTreasure

 

[roadrunner]

Thanks stroker. Listened to it last night.

 

[393stroker]

What I get from it is that somebody found a mine, hauled it out, spread to the four winds, bought there ranch`s with cash, and kept quiet about it. I liked the part about where people placed/witnessed Waltz out in the field. I recall him being seen to the east and north of Weavers, and in Florence. You could look at it a couple of ways: They found the LDM and there is nothing left, they found the LDM but there is probably another one just as rich somewhere,they found something but not the LDM, I always say that "where there`s one there`s two". So, I`m gonna keep on keepin` on until I had my fill.

 

[chlsbrns]

...

Sierra Estrella Old Spanish Mine page

http://brazilbrazil.com/panorama.html

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.1...23,-112.21182&sspn=0.094823,0.181789&t=h&z=20

It's not near Weavers Needle but the mine/stone cabin part of the clue fits.

It appears to me that Waltz, a book publisher, may have known of this Spanish Mine and added some facts of the Spanish Mine to his story.

 

[Cubfan64]

...

Sierra Estrella Old Spanish Mine page

Sierra Estrella 360 degree Panorama

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.1...23,-112.21182&sspn=0.094823,0.181789&t=h&z=20

It's not near Weavers Needle but the mine/stone cabin part of the clue fits.

The first attachment in the post above (Adolph Ruth's Directions) is a copy of a page put together by a friend of mine who works very hard and puts in a great deal of time to document things regarding the LDM and Superstition Mountains (Garry Cundiff). The attachment came from the following link:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.../ruth/Adolph Ruth's Directions to the LDM.pdf

Generally it's respectful to give credit to the original owner/provider of documentation when you post something of theirs.