Can anyone identify or date this cannon

[Joe hunter]

I’m not sure if anyone has kept track of my cannon search but I’m hoping i have enough pieces to Figure it out now. the length is 43in, if I laid it out correctly.
It has a 2in bore .I’m going to do my best to respond promptly to any questions.Thanks

 

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[GoDeep]

You really should read an experts opinions... LIKE MINE. (sheesh)
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Yes, the internet is full of experts . (sarcasm intended)

Junking up threads? Respectfully, this isn't your thread.

You clearly think it is a reproduction, and you may be absolutely right, but it also could be "real" as we haven't even definitively established it's age, owner or maker yet.

 

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[GoDeep]

Ok... just so we can "move on" from anyone else thinking this is a British cannon...

I will just leave these FACTS in your minds.

1. They MASTERED cannon manufacture... they would have NEVER produced this.

I never said it was definitely made in Britain. Variants were made the world over. Please read my posts closer.

2. They used the BEST manufactures and materials WITHOUT compromise and produced SOME OF THE best cannon in the world.

Again, see above, never said it was made in Britain.

3. They were NO "cut corners" or "inferior guns" concerning materials and composition.

Untrue, corners were cut, in all wars, especially among countries that were losing, lacked resources, foundries and the skill necessary, notable examples were the South and Hitler at the end of the war, so bad was their supply of steel and skilled labor, metallurgy took them back to the middle ages in some cases.

4. Only swivels had a smaller bore / shot... and this is NOT a swivel that has been carriage mounted.

Again, see the british one pounder falconet. Again, variations were made, not saying this is made in Britain

5. It was required that ALL cannon were tested completely before allowed into service.

Respectfully, for an expert i'm surprised you didn't know that towards the end of the war, (notably Civil and WWII), weapons were literally handed directly to the soldiers. At the end of WWII, some pieces were literally driven off the assembly line and into battle.

6. Testing and manufacturer "proof" marks MUST be added and was required before allowed into service.


7. Marks were required to be clearly visible at all times of use.

First, we don't know that their aren't marks on another of the missing pieces yet or a mark he has overlooked. Second, there are other accounts of historic cannons recovered absent markings.

 

[GoDeep]

British sizes = 4... 6... 9... 12... 18... 24... 32................. and 42 pounds ? ?

7. Marks were required to be clearly visible at all times of use

Are you sure? Here's a bronze British "one pounder" falconet, 2" bore, 26 pictures, no makers mark clearly visible (the carriage isn't original to the cannon).

https://www.ima-usa.com/products/or...-marked-liverpool-england?variant=26169259589

 

[ARC]

Dood... you are talking apples and oranges.

The "british one pounder falconet" is a BRONZE cannon... NOT IRON.

 

[ARC]

I don't know where to start... so I will go backwards.. heh

Nope.. wrong again about absent markings... NOT British... Which is what I am referring to.

It was law.

 

[ARC]

Continuing on... debunking your statements...

No... again on ... "Untrue, corners were cut, in all wars, especially among countries that were losing, lacked resources, foundries and the skill necessary"

Corners were never cut in Britain on foundries... ever... they took pride in being the world class leader in cannon... stringent laws and regulations kept that in check... no mattr what was going on.

The cost of a bad gun was greater. period.

 

[ARC]

And WW2 ? ? ? Hitler ? ? ?

What in the heck does that have to do with the price of eggs in China ? ? ?

I mean you must be pulling my chain at this point... actually that crossed my mind from onset. heh

 

[GoDeep]

I'm going to repeat this ONE LAST TIME, as you seem to be overlooking it to fill a narrative:

I never said his cannon was made in Britain, i said there were variants. These were modeled similar to it, and could be be cast iron, steel, or bronze and made in any country needing a cannon. (real or ornamental).

Are we clear?

 

[GoDeep]

And WW2 ? ? ? Hitler ? ? ?

What in the heck does that have to do with the price of eggs in China ? ? ?

I mean you must be pulling my chain at this point... actually that crossed my mind from onset. heh

Deflection. Are you just being purposely obtuse to make a point or do you truly not know why i was using the Civil War and WWII as examples when resources were at a premium and quality sharply declined?

 

[ARC]

Deflection. Are you just being purposely obtuse to make a point or do you truly not know why i was using the Civil War and WWII as examples when resources were at a premium and quality sharply declined?

That has NOTHING to do with this type of cannon.

Again.. apples and oranges... MAINLY ... a completely different time period altogether.

 

[GoDeep]

To summarize my research:

Your bore and length and overall appearance are similar to a one pounder falconet. Is it just a full size reproduction? That we don't know for sure yet. We do know the hardware appears to be period correct, hand forged and not machine made. Your testimony is also that you found the pieces often deep and intertwined with roots. Those point to it being pre-1900. True, some do pattern reproductions to mimic old hardware, but the testimony of where you found them and the weathering on the hardware indicate it is older.

Is it just a reproduction ornamental cannon, could be. I thought there used to be a highly regarded cannon expert on here? I hope he's well as i haven't seen him. (wasn't it cannonball guy or the like?).

 

[ARC]

To summarize my research:

Your bore and length and overall appearance are similar to a one pounder falconet. Is it just a full size reproduction? That we don't know for sure yet. We do know the hardware appears to be period correct, hand forged and not machine made. Your testimony is also that you found the pieces often deep and intertwined with roots. Those point to it being pre-1900. True, some do pattern reproductions to mimic old hardware, but the testimony of where you found them and the weathering on the hardware indicate it is older.

Is it just a reproduction ornamental cannon, could be. I thought there used to be a highly regarded cannon expert on here? I hope he's well as i haven't seen him. (wasn't it cannonball guy or the like?).

Yes... the other knowledgeable person here with cannon is CannonBallGuy... who is knowledgeable in Civil War Era items.

 

[GoDeep]

Yes... the other knowledgeable person here with cannon is CannonBallGuy... who is knowledgeable in Civil War Era items.

I messaged him, hopefully he can lend some additional insight.

 

[ARC]

Anyway... on that note I must say...

In case you ever wondered why I sit many of the "what is it's" out... this thread is one reason. heh

 

[GoDeep]

Thats a cool photo, is that a fort in Florida?

 

[Joe hunter]

I’m working in the Adirondacks no cell /internet available so when I’m not here I expect you kids to get along .
That being said does anyone think I should pack up the beast and take it to the cannon people or wait to hunt more of it in the spring.

 

[ARC]

I’m working in the Adirondacks no cell /internet available so when I’m not here I expect you kids to get along .
That being said does anyone think I should pack up the beast and take it to the cannon people or wait to hunt more of it in the spring.

Wait till spring... clean everything with hose brush and a bottle of Dawn... take a DOWN photo of the ball / knob again for me... try a few macro shots of iron composition...

And assemble as best you can laying out like you did ... take time and try and get exact bore size... I know you said 2 inch... but make sure its not 2 1/4 etc... and post new findings.

That is what IF I were you... would do

Scrub it well... remove all dirt and towel dry.

 

[JoeKeeling]

Thats a top pocket find! Don't see one of those very often. If it could only talk...

 

[Joe hunter]

Wait till spring... clean everything with hose brush and a bottle of Dawn... take a DOWN photo of the ball / knob again for me... try a few macro shots of iron composition...

And assemble as best you can laying out like you did ... take time and try and get exact bore size... I know you said 2 inch... but make sure its not 2 1/4 etc... and post new findings.

That is what IF I were you... would do

Scrub it well... remove all dirt and towel dry.

I’ll clean remeasure ,I have much better lighting I can use to enhance my photos.I’m working quite q ways away right now it may take me a few days.
And once again I truly appreciate you’re help.
Has anyone ever heard a story about British troops burying a cannon and some gold during a retreat around my area.(north of Rome Utica NY

 

[GoDeep]

The apparently white paint on it makes me think someone had it painted and sitting in their front yard or the like at one time. Maybe it was some old signal cannon they had on display for awhile and then took it off into the woods to test fire and stuffed more then just powder in it and it blew to pieces? I'm looking at the actual cast iron where it broke and it appears quite porous, which obviously would make it fairly weak.