Can anyone identify or date this cannon

[Joe hunter]

I’m not sure if anyone has kept track of my cannon search but I’m hoping i have enough pieces to Figure it out now. the length is 43in, if I laid it out correctly.
It has a 2in bore .I’m going to do my best to respond promptly to any questions.Thanks

 

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[ARC]

I'm certainly no expert but if you Google up a Revolutionary War three-pounder "grasshopper" I think you're in te ballpark. I don't know if iron was used. But the three-pounder is about the right size and bore.

Gun bronze.

 

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[ARC]

Joe... just so you know... I have spent at this point countless hours on this.... the internet databases and information's have been a majority of the searches... and have thumbed through my own collection of various information pertaining to cannon as well... to no avail... I have yet to find a positive match for your cannon.

I am only going off details in the pictures and the only way for me to continue... is more photos OR more items found.... preferably both until ? ? ?

Your piece is eluding me... even in examples of scale models... but somewhere there is the "key" to this puzzle... be it in a photo you take... or a photo someone spots online or in a book.

I hope some others will join in this for it truly is a puzzle and would love nothing more than your cannon to truly be a cannon that has some sort of "significance" other than a lawn decoration... but for now this quest to / for the truth continues.

I have dedicated real time to this which I rarely do for many items here.

 

[Joe hunter]

I did find that one of the pieces goes to the trunnion I wondered if anyone noticed the way it goes in then back out at the trunnion areahere’s a pic of my painted pieces together,I have looked hard for clues but no one here is as smart as all of us here
We’re really dealing with less than half of this cannon I’m hoping to find more in the spring.
Until then if there’s anything I can do to help I will.
AARC I’ve learned a lot about cannon on this adventure and have even gone to a local re-enactment and saw a cannon get fired .I’ve bought books visited forts and museum’s researched tons of local history.It’s hands down the most awesome mystery/adventure of my life.If this turns out to be as historic as I hope I’ll feel very compelled to drive it to you for a visit.

 

[Joe hunter]

Charlie you should make some time this spring to join me on a cannon hunt.I find a lot more up there than just cannon parts.

 

[ARC]

Woah ! I like THOSE pictures... they show me a couple new perspectives... for one... I was seeing it differently... and I THINK I saw something I saw yesterday or today similar... now just have to remember what where and when heh.

The illusion of what appeared to be a "fake rig" or even just "lines" now looks like it may possibly BE a reinforcement ring... and my theory now seems that barrel "swell" from force "leveled" it with barrel and in fact IS there.

Which is a very good sign if this turns out to be true.

 

[ARC]

One thing is for sure... this cannon's state gives new meaning to the word "smithereens". heh

 

[Gare]

Joe Hunter send it to me for inspection . NO RETURN ADDRESS NEEDED LOL
NICE find and good luck. A lot of cannons had the date and maker on the edged on the end of the barrel

 

[ARC]

Joe Hunter send it to me for inspection . NO RETURN ADDRESS NEEDED LOL
NICE find and good luck. A lot of cannons had the date and maker on the edged on the end of the barrel

Actually that is only true in some cases.

 

[ARC]

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[Joe hunter]

Joe Hunter send it to me for inspection . NO RETURN ADDRESS NEEDED LOL
NICE find and good luck. A lot of cannons had the date and maker on the edged on the end of the barrel

You may not like the shipping.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

See if there are any hardware similarities with this F&I War (1760 ish) "Galloper" carriage and smoothbore iron cannon. Small, maneuverable howitzer.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Actually that is only true in some cases.

AARC, do you mind sharing some of your background as it relates to cannons?
There seems to be more to the story that I’m sure would be interesting to understand.

To clarify, I’m not questioning your qualifications (although I am curious).

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Joe, do you remember detecting anything that could be associated with these tools?



If it DID fail during battle, you would think some of these types of tools may have been scattered and broken along with some uniform : (

 

[ARC]

AARC, do you mind sharing some of your background as it relates to cannons?
There seems to be more to the story that I’m sure would be interesting to understand.

To clarify, I’m not questioning your qualifications (although I am curious).

Other than growing up on and around em... Other than a fascination enough to read everything I could... other than growing up with the guys who salvaged them... and an overall "love" for them.

None... Zip... Zero... Nada... No "qualifications".

I really know nothing about them other than... :P~~~~ heh

........ oh boy.... Um... arggg here goes again...

I am what you could call ... An "armchair archeologist"... stemming from being the type of "to be seen and not heard only kid" that whilst being drug around the world climbing on em,,, cannon were definitely my favorite "toys"... even almost had my head stuck in one once. :P
Combine that with my fascination overall with shipwrecks since age 2... to which cannon are synonymous... a Seabee Captain diver father... and climbing all over them mostly out of boredom since I was old enough to walk... job offers looking for / salvaging them... watching them in electrolysis tanks bubbling away waiting to see the details with impatience... studying construction / foundries methods of manufacturing in order to solve origin identifications... think I will stop here for this seems enough for most.

I can safely say... I have sat on more cannon than most Archie's have seen.

AND... I have taught a thing or 2... and vise versa... to those who have multiple "degrees".

(should have left my childhood cannon pictures on the thread from the "last time" heh)

 

[ARC]

Joe, do you remember detecting anything that could be associated with these tools?

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If it DID fail during battle, you would think some of these types of tools may have been scattered and broken along with some uniform : (

These items were looked for in original thread... only one item caught a "possible".

 

[Joe hunter]

The biggest problem I believe I’m having with other cannon related goods is this hill was detected by me and a few others before realizing the cannon thing,Fortunately our town bought the land less than ten years ago so it hasn’t been hit to hard.They made it part of our town park and put in some walking trails.Fortunately for me they left most of the posted signs on the rest of the hill.I’m friends with the the park supervisor,he has no intention of taking them down.I’m hopeful not to much was thrown away.I’m assuming iron was just bypassed I do these items I thought could be cannon related.I have added these to other photos hoping something is related.I have a star button that was close to the cannon but it’s the only one I can say for sure it came from there.Unfortunately I’m leaving for work and can’t find it.Thanks everyone.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Other than growing up on and around em... Other than a fascination enough to read everything I could... other than growing up with the guys who salvaged them... and an overall "love" for them.

None... Zip... Zero... Nada... No "qualifications".

I really know nothing about them other than... :P~~~~ heh

........ oh boy.... Um... arggg here goes again...

I am what you could call ... An "armchair archeologist"... stemming from being the type of "to be seen and not heard only kid" that whilst being drug around the world climbing on em,,, cannon were definitely my favorite "toys"... even almost had my head stuck in one once. :P
Combine that with my fascination overall with shipwrecks since age 2... to which cannon are synonymous... a Seabee Captain diver father... and climbing all over them mostly out of boredom since I was old enough to walk... job offers looking for / salvaging them... watching them in electrolysis tanks bubbling away waiting to see the details with impatience... studying construction / foundries methods of manufacturing in order to solve origin identifications... think I will stop here for this seems enough for most.

I can safely say... I have sat on more cannon than most Archie's have seen.

AND... I have taught a thing or 2... and vise versa... to those who have multiple "degrees".

(should have left my childhood cannon pictures on the thread from the "last time" heh)

No qualifications necessary to have knowledge and experience.

Sounds like you had an adventure being a military brat.

The pictures of damaged cannons you showed were mostly made of bronze were they not?

 

[Smithbrown]

There several features on your cannon fragments which are useful for indicating age and origins. First there are sleeves or shoulders on the trunnions- that's quite a late feature, late 18th century but by the time it percolates down to these type of guns, 19th century.
There is no ring at the reduction from the breech to the chase- again a late feature. Both these features are more associated with French or Swedish design than British.
However there does appear to be a muzzle with a swell; implies earlier in the dating.
The button is very large and clumsy- suggests it is for weight to make the gun site right rather than real use.
Given the poor quality of the casting and catastrophic failure, I would think it was intended as a signal gun, and somewhere along the line, someone forgot. Dates 1830, with a decade either way.
Not surprised there are no marks- clearly it was not cast by a serious gunfounder, with a reputation to protect.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Wasn’t it quite common in the old days for towns (as well as families) to fire a cannon during special occasions (especially 4th of July)?
Could it be that a cannon used for this purpose had some false folklore attached to it perpetuating the idea it had been used in battle at some point. Someone decided to test it out and regretted it?

Depending on the proximity to old towns or settlements..could it be a possibility?

 

[ARC]

No qualifications necessary to have knowledge and experience.

Sounds like you had an adventure being a military brat.

The pictures of damaged cannons you showed were mostly made of bronze were they not?

About half were.

I have a lot more of both... but spared the thread.